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[外絮] Sam Amick:Harden想加入快艇 為何與Morey拆夥?

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Why James Harden’s reunion with Daryl Morey in Philadelphia went south and what’s next in their looming divorce 為甚麼Harden與Morey在費城的重聚失敗了且他們分手後會發生甚麼? 作者:Sam Amick(須付費) http://psce.pw/4zv5qe James Harden’s days in Philadelphia are unofficially over, with the Sixers star deciding on Thursday to opt into the $35.6 million option on his contract for next season en route to asking for a trade, as The Athletic’s Shams Charania first reported. According to sources directly involved in the situation on both sides, the Los Angeles native wants to play for the Clippers and the Sixers are already in the process of discussing his desired move. Harden is, according to sources close to him, extremely upset at the way in which the Sixers handled his possible free agency and has made his dissatisfaction clear to the organization. James Harden在費城的日子非正式的結束了，這名76人球星星期四決定執行他36.5M的球員 選項以作為他要求交易的手段。 根據與雙方直接的消息源，這位洛杉磯人想要為快艇打球且76人已經進入為了他想去的隊 伍討論的過程。Harden對於76人如何處理他有可能的自由球員市場非常不滿意且明白的向 該球團表示他的不滿。 While it seems likely that he’ll land with the Clippers, it remains to be seen whether his longtime basketball partner, Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey, will grant this unexpected wish. Sources say, however, that there is strong optimism on Harden’s side that it will indeed happen. Both Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are said to be on board with the idea of Harden potentially joining their core, according to sources. Even with the playoff frustrations, and the challenge of sharing the spotlight with someone as dynamic and dominant as reigning MVP Joel Embiid, there was a sense around the league that the chance to contend for his first title again might be enough to bring Harden back. Moreover, many believed that the late-May hiring of Nick Nurse to replace Doc Rivers as coach would lead to Harden re-signing. But in the end, sources involved in the matter say, it was a series of silent Sixers signals sent in recent weeks that compelled Harden to pursue that goal elsewhere yet again. 雖然看起來他應該會加入快艇，但這仍取決於他長期的籃球夥伴--76人籃球營運總裁Daryl Morey是否要滿足他意料外的意向。但是，Harden的陣營對此情形的發生高度的樂觀。 Kawhi Leonard與Paul George將會是他即將要加入的核心。 即使因為季後賽的挫折以及與非常活躍且具有統治力的MVP Joel Embiid分享鎂光燈的挑戰 ，聯盟仍有種感覺認為能再次爭奪冠軍足以使Harden回歸。此外，許多人相信五月底雇用 Nick Nurse來取代Doc Rivers作為總教練將能說服Harden續約。但到最後，最近幾周這一 系列76人的沉默信號迫使Harden要去其他地方追尋他的目標。 When Harden decided to take a significant pay cut nearly a year ago, declining his $47.4 million player option with the Philadelphia 76ers to sign a one-plus-one deal in which he would be paid $33 million for the 2022-23 campaign, there was a widespread belief that it was a classic case of quid pro quo. Harden would give some money back as a way of helping the Sixers fill out their roster, thereby inching them even closer to a title that has eluded the franchise since 1983 and Harden for his entire professional career (circa 2009). And in the following offseason, many presumed, the 10-time All-Star and former MVP would be handsomely rewarded with a contract more befitting of his future Hall of Fame talents. If Harden chose to leave, perhaps rejoining the Houston Rockets franchise where Morey brought him to town via trade from Oklahoma City in 2012 and where Harden was widely known to be strongly considering a return, that would be one thing. But Morey and the Sixers surely would make it clear that they wanted him back in a big — and expensive — way this time around. Right? As it turned out, that league-wide expectation was wildly wrong. 當Harden去年決定要大幅度減薪並拒絕他的47.4M球員選項來簽下一個1+1的33M合約時，普 遍被認為這是個經典的交換條件。Harden願意放棄一部分的薪水來幫助76人補強並追逐76 人自1983年後就再也碰不到的冠軍，也是Harden自2009年整個生涯都在追逐的目標。而在 下一個休賽季許多人認為這位10次明星賽的前MVP將會簽下與他名人堂身價相符的高薪合約 。 如果Harden選擇離開，或許是重新加入Morey於2012年從奧克拉荷馬交易他來也是他被流傳 強烈考量回歸的休士頓火箭，這是其中一個可能。但Morey與76人理論上應該要想以一筆又 大又高薪的合約來讓他回歸。 對吧? 結果是，整個聯盟的預期嚴重的錯了。 While free agency doesn’t officially begin until Friday evening, a player of Harden’s caliber could typically expect to have some clarity about the incumbent franchise’s intentions long before that time arrives. But in recent weeks and days, sources say, all indications on Harden’s side pointed to the Sixers forcing him to test the market before they would make an offer of any kind. The understandable concern for Harden, sources say, was that Philadelphia was preparing to offer him the kind of short-term, team-friendly contract that wouldn’t come close to reflecting his stature in the league or the level of his current play (he averaged 21 points, a league-leading 10.7 assists and 6.1 rebounds in the regular season; 20.3 points, 8.3 assists and 6.2 rebounds in 11 postseason games). Harden, who hired Troy Payne, Mike Silverman and Brandon Grier of Equity Basketball to be his agents in February after going more than five years without full-time representation, had no interest in being put in that compromised negotiating position. And it would only grow worse as free agency neared. Sources say the Rockets — with a first-year coach in Ime Udoka, a cadre of young prospects and $64 million in salary cap space to spend — had already chosen not to pursue Harden in free agency in recent weeks and thus eliminated another of his top options. As so many suspected long ago, when the league-wide chatter about Harden heading back to the rebuilding Rockets was growing louder by the month, the fit was ultimately deemed incongruous. There is still no shortage of love for Harden and his game among Rockets officials, with owner Tilman Fertitta, his son and liaison Patrick, and general manager Rafael Stone chief among that group, but the choice was made to take a pass on another Harden chapter. 雖然自由市場直到星期五晚上前都還沒開始，但各隊對於Harden這種等級的球星留隊的意 向在開始前通常都早就已經理解了。但近幾周，76人要求James Harden去自由市場測試身 價，而這期間他們不會開給Harden任何報價。而Harden陣營合理認為，76人想要強迫 Harden簽下一紙只對76人有利的短約。而這完全無法反應Harden現在的身價(他場均21分、 聯盟最高的10.7助攻與6.1籃板。季後賽11場也有20.3分8.3助攻6.2籃板)。Harden在二月 雇用了Equity籃球經紀公司的Troy Payne、Mike Silverman與Brandon Grier來當他的經紀 人並結束了他過去五年沒有經紀人且無意與球隊磋商的情形。但雇用了經紀人只讓他的自 由市場更加地接近了。 內線指出，剛雇用Ime Udoka作為新教練、擁有一大票年輕球員與64M薪資空間的火箭，已 經選擇不會在自由市場追逐Harden並清除了Harden的第一目標。與許多人懷疑的一樣，當 Harden回歸重建隊火箭的流言滿天飛時，這個仍然是不協調的。但火箭管理層仍然對 Harden的球風充滿愛意(因為老闆Tilman Fertitta、他兒子同時也是聯絡人的 Patrick和 GM Rafael Stone仍然在火箭領導)，但他們選擇不將Harden帶入球隊的下一階段。 Harden had serious interest in a pre-Bradley Beal trade to the Phoenix Suns too, with his old friend Kevin Durant known to be in favor of the possible reunion. Harden, who went from L.A. to Arizona State en route to the NBA and still owns a house in the Phoenix area, considers the region a third home of sorts and was excited by the notion of heading to the Valley of the Sun. But the Sixers never engaged with the Suns regarding a possible deal, and the Beal trade with Washington emerged. Harden was losing leverage by the day. Sources say Morey, meanwhile, insisted that he was choosing not to discuss free agency before it was permitted by league rules, in large part because of the price that the Sixers paid for doing so previously. And in a most ironic twist, his reasoning was rooted in the moves that Philadelphia had been able to make because of Harden’s choice to take a pay cut last offseason. Harden在Bradley Beal交易至太陽之前對太陽有強烈的興趣，因為他的老朋友Kevin Durant廣為人知的希望他們可以重逢。Harden雖然是LA人但他在亞利桑那州立大學就讀以 作為他進入NBA的管道且他在鳳凰城區域仍然有房子，他也將這區域視為他第三個家且對於 可以去太陽感到興奮。然而76人從未與太陽聯絡以討論可能的交易，然後Beal從華盛頓被 送到太陽的交易就發生了。 Harden失去了談判上的優勢。Morey同時堅持不在自由市場開始前談論自由市場，因為76人 曾經因此受到懲罰。最諷刺的是，他上次被罰就是因為他們提前說了Harden上一季休賽季 減薪的那起事件。 Just eight months ago, the NBA announced that the Sixers had engaged in premature free agency discussions with P.J. Tucker and Danuel House Jr. before their signings last summer. As a result, they were docked second-round picks in 2023 and 2024. The league’s investigation, it should be noted, also determined that there was no wrongdoing found relating to Harden’s choice to pass on the $15 million of savings to the Sixers. No matter the reasoning, Morey’s choice to keep Harden and his camp in the dark regarding the Sixers’ plans had everything to do with Harden’s choice to ask out. And as Morey knows perhaps better than anyone, the prospect of keeping Harden against his wishes — as the Rockets and Brooklyn Nets can attest — is unpleasant at best and untenable at worst. A deal with the Clippers may be the only way to salvage this messy situation. 僅僅八個月前，NBA宣布76人去年夏天提前非法接觸自由球員PJ Tucker與Danuel House Jr 。而作為結果，76人被罰了23與24年的二輪選秀權。聯盟的調查也指出Harden減薪15M的決 定並沒有違反規定的成分。 但無論如何，Morey選擇對Harden與其團隊對76人的計畫保持沉默。Morey或許比任何人都 清楚，留下不情願打球的Harden--火箭與籃網可以同感--最好情況是不愉快最糟情況是無 法維持的。或許與快艇的交易是能解決這個混亂情況的唯一方式。 心得: 看完文章 與大部分人覺得的不一樣 其實比較像是76人對Harden不義 跟Riley對Wade的情況比較相似 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 71.232.216.168 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1688125203.A.3D0.html ※ 編輯: EZ78 (71.232.216.168 美國), 06/30/2023 19:40:30
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06/30 19:41, 2年前 , 1F
Harden怎麼到哪都不滿XD
06/30 19:41, 1F
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06/30 19:41, 2年前 , 2F
申請交易第一人
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06/30 19:42, 2年前 , 3F
最會賣我的球員
06/30 19:42, 3F
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06/30 19:42, 2年前 , 4F
沒 這次的情況 他比較像是被76人逼走了
06/30 19:42, 4F
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06/30 19:43, 2年前 , 5F
其實有點小同情 以前沒有經紀人讓他減薪
06/30 19:43, 5F
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06/30 19:43, 2年前 , 6F
有了經紀人 上次你少拿的 我沒打算還你喔 ㄏㄏ
06/30 19:43, 6F
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06/30 19:43, 2年前 , 7F
他本來就很想走~~~
06/30 19:43, 7F
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06/30 19:45, 2年前 , 8F
鬍子都降薪還偶爾爆發續命，結果 MVP 打這麼鳥薪水
06/30 19:45, 8F
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06/30 19:45, 2年前 , 9F
減薪後換來了鉛筆的不傳
06/30 19:45, 9F
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06/30 19:45, 2年前 , 10F
單純就沒市場吧 不然他幹嘛不跳出 教訓76人
06/30 19:45, 10F
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06/30 19:45, 2年前 , 11F
還不太想還他那部分薪水，想走也不意外。
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06/30 19:45, 2年前 , 12F
感覺就76ER想壓價,叫他去市場逛一圈回來再報價給你
06/30 19:45, 12F
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06/30 19:45, 2年前 , 13F
76人就繼續抓著鉛筆好了 請來哈登都幫不了他
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06/30 19:45, 2年前 , 14F
是啊 就只是沒球隊開出鬍子想要的薪水
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06/30 19:46, 2年前 , 15F
對 但去年為了76人犧牲15M的也是Harden
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06/30 19:46, 2年前 , 16F
他本來就想去太陽吧 只是沒想到巫師出手更快
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06/30 19:46, 2年前 , 17F
看不出來聯盟裡還能找誰能讓76人更接近總冠
06/30 19:46, 17F
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06/30 19:46, 2年前 , 18F
你下一張約不還他 幹 他想走超正常吧
06/30 19:46, 18F
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06/30 19:46, 2年前 , 19F
前三樓說的都非常簡單且中肯
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06/30 19:47, 2年前 , 20F
包含火箭 要是火箭願意開出大約 登登早就跳了
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06/30 19:47, 2年前 , 21F
所以鬍子不撿PO進FA 連火箭都不會開2年大約喔？
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06/30 19:48, 2年前 , 22F
走了也好 鉛筆的打法要奪冠 可能還要幾年吧
06/30 19:48, 22F
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06/30 19:48, 2年前 , 23F
須付費？
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06/30 19:48, 2年前 , 24F
看起來就是不會 所以才逼得鬍子PO啊
06/30 19:48, 24F
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06/30 19:48, 2年前 , 25F
今年看起來各隊都會縮著開價,你看連12M的PO都不敢跳
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 26F
新版CBA誇張到連火箭這種空間海大的都不想拿鬍子
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 27F
有阿 吉巴阿 鉛筆心心念念的雞巴
06/30 19:49, 27F
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 28F
上面的消息就說Udoka不想要鬍子
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 29F
而且登登的執行選項也太晚了 你不執行七六人也無法
06/30 19:49, 29F
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 30F
他opt out就是要簽一張4年的，火箭選擇VV就代表自
06/30 19:49, 30F
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 31F
這真的是難以想像的狀況
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 32F
交易啊
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 33F
由市場沒有球隊能給他想要的合約了
06/30 19:49, 33F
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 34F
火箭是想要短約 鬍子要長約 無解
06/30 19:49, 34F
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06/30 19:49, 2年前 , 35F
The Athletic 文章要付費阿，雖然很便宜且沒認真擋
06/30 19:49, 35F
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06/30 19:50, 2年前 , 36F
morey的標準操作，只會玩小手段，不顧這樣的小手段
06/30 19:50, 36F
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06/30 19:50, 2年前 , 37F
會毀掉有競爭力的球隊
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06/30 19:50, 2年前 , 38F
Ime在青賽就是用防守進總冠的 怎麼可能想要監視器
06/30 19:50, 38F
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06/30 19:50, 2年前 , 39F
如果去太陽感覺很讚欸
06/30 19:50, 39F
還有 754 則推文
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06/30 22:07, 2年前 , 794F
，一定不會刷好刷滿，反正魚死網破就這樣。
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06/30 22:07, 2年前 , 795F
76人應該很習慣了，氣氛大概不會怎樣
06/30 22:07, 795F
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06/30 22:07, 2年前 , 796F
所以不想要他來的聲音我是完全可以理解的
06/30 22:07, 796F
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06/30 22:07, 2年前 , 797F
畢竟我們再怎樣就是看戲 沒必要丟東西去幫收爛攤子
06/30 22:07, 797F
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06/30 22:07, 2年前 , 798F
話說，當年西門都有隨隊嗎？
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06/30 22:10, 2年前 , 799F
希望哈登不要變西門二世
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06/30 22:10, 2年前 , 800F
有點忘了欸 我記得一開始拒絕報到吧
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06/30 22:10, 2年前 , 801F
沒有吧 當年西門直接傷病神隱
06/30 22:10, 801F
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06/30 22:12, 2年前 , 802F
沒阿 一開始神隱
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06/30 22:12, 2年前 , 803F
我記得西門一開始還閉門不出，莫雷祭出罰款後，上演
06/30 22:12, 803F
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06/30 22:12, 2年前 , 804F
了一齣經典的「西門夜奔」
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06/30 22:12, 2年前 , 805F
這我有印象www
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06/30 22:14, 2年前 , 806F
#1XQKfjIv 「報！西門已在門外」
06/30 22:14, 806F
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06/30 22:16, 2年前 , 807F
MVP打這麼爛 然後逼走carry他的哈登 76果然沒料
06/30 22:16, 807F
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06/30 22:17, 2年前 , 808F
氣氛大師
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06/30 22:20, 2年前 , 809F
如果鬍子變成西門二世直接轉黑粉= =
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06/30 22:24, 2年前 , 810F
拖把+龜龜簽 幻想一下
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06/30 22:30, 2年前 , 811F
鬍子吹密時還指定七六人下家 讓籃網很難操作 也算自
06/30 22:30, 811F
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06/30 22:30, 2年前 , 812F
業自得
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06/30 22:48, 2年前 , 813F
如果照本文所說 76er看來不太怕鬍子變空氣 才敢
06/30 22:48, 813F
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06/30 22:48, 2年前 , 814F
叫他先去自由市場問問看 鬍子撿PO其實是軟了
06/30 22:48, 814F
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06/30 22:49, 2年前 , 815F
他當然可以這一年吹密 但76就如前所述 也不是很怕
06/30 22:49, 815F
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06/30 22:54, 2年前 , 816F
也沒什麼軟不軟 就哈登要錢也想要冠 市場上有空
06/30 22:54, 816F
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06/30 22:54, 2年前 , 817F
間的只有國王是季後賽球隊 所以不留76人就是吹密
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06/30 22:54, 2年前 , 818F
去有競爭力的隊伍再看明年能不能跟下家續約
06/30 22:54, 818F
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06/30 23:02, 2年前 , 819F
又要錢又想隊伍有競爭力真的沒那麼容易...
06/30 23:02, 819F
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06/30 23:05, 2年前 , 820F
吹密界的GOAT
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06/30 23:22, 2年前 , 821F
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06/30 23:28, 2年前 , 822F
鬍子被騙惹 怎麼會相信跟金筆能奪冠
06/30 23:28, 822F
噓
06/30 23:29, 2年前 , 823F
沒人氣的球員
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06/30 23:57, 2年前 , 824F
鬍子沒有想要錢也要冠阿，他現在就是只想要錢，沒辦
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06/30 23:57, 2年前 , 825F
法拿錢，那一樣都拿不多，才會想去爭冠球隊。
06/30 23:57, 825F
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06/30 23:58, 2年前 , 826F
一直都沒有想要錢(大約)還能爭冠的選項給他。
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07/01 01:04, 2年前 , 827F
就是整個市場都沒人想鳥軟蛋鬍啊 76怕什麼 今年都沒
07/01 01:04, 827F
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07/01 01:04, 2年前 , 828F
人搶 明年更沒人要
07/01 01:04, 828F
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07/01 02:16, 2年前 , 829F
大家都看得出他已經不是那個火箭燈了 不過他本人好
07/01 02:16, 829F
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07/01 02:16, 2年前 , 830F
像沒意識到
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07/01 05:42, 2年前 , 831F
鬍子哪有在跟球隊談三小感情的 還不是想吹就吹 剛
07/01 05:42, 831F
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07/01 05:42, 2年前 , 832F
好被老熟人黑吃黑而已
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07/01 07:47, 2年前 , 833F
以前火箭陣容擺明沒要爭冠了 鬍子想走也是剛好吧
07/01 07:47, 833F
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