Re: How Joba can learn about reduced velocity f …

看板NY-Yankees作者時間16年前 (2010/03/13 12:51), 編輯推噓23(24120)
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※ 引述《abc12812 ()》之銘言: : http://riveraveblues.com/2010/03/how-joba-can-learn-about-reduced-velocity-from-lincecum-25027/ : At this point last year, we began wondering about Joba Chamberlain’s : velocity. After throwing in the upper 90s out of the bullpen, and then : mid-90s in the rotation, Joba had been throwing in the low-90s for most of : spring training. This caused particular concern because Chamberlain had : missed more than a month in 2008 with shoulder tendinitis. Without his heat, : would he be as effective a pitcher? : Clearly, Joba needed to make adjustments if his fastball was to average 92 : instead of 95. He didn’t make them consistently in 2009 and it led to a : somewhat frustrating season. Now, as we head into a new season, we’re again : wondering if Joba will recover his velocity, or if he’ll sit in the low 90s : for the foreseeable future. As long as he can make adjustments with his : command and secondary pitches his velocity shouldn’t be a problem. For a : good sample case, we can look to last year’s NL Cy Young winner and the man : picked 31 spots ahead of Chamberlain in 2006. : According to the Pitch F/x gun, Tim Lincecum went from averaging 94 mph in : 2008 to 92.4 in 2009. Yet he struck out hitters at the same clip, gave up : fewer hits, and walked fewer batters. In other words, he made the adjustments : necessary to compensate for diminished fastball velocity. He continues to : work with his new physical realities, and is honing his secondary pitches : again this off-season. In particular, it looks like he’s working with his : slider, perhaps with a goal of throwing it more than 10 percent of the time. : For Chamberlain, the drop-off seems a bit more precipitous. He went from : averaging 95.2 mph in 2008 to 92.5 in 2009. That might appear to mislead, : since it counts Joba’s innings as a reliever, where he threw in the upper : 90s, along with his starts. But he also threw bullpen innings as a reliever : after the injury and averaged just 93.9 mph there. As a starter, from June : into August, he averaged 95.1 mph. I don’t think it’s likely that he : consistently reaches that level as a starter again. : Even so, his velocity matched Lincecum’s last year. One major difference is : that Lincecum adjusted by throwing the fastball less often. When it sat 94 : mph in 2008 he threw it 65.5 percent of the time. But with a bit less zip he : threw it less, just 55 percent. Joba, on the other hand, continued to throw : the fastball frequently, at 63.3 percent. He also focussed on one secondary : pitch, his slider, over another, his curve, while keeping the changeup almost : completely out of his arsenal. Conversely, Lincecum used his two secondary : pitches, change and curve, about equally. He also worked in his slider 7 : percent of the time, more than Joba used the change. : Reducing his reliance on the fastball won’t necessarily make Joba a better : pitcher. After all, if he doesn’t have confidence in his secondary pitches : they won’t be very effective. But I think that continued heavy use of the : fastball will present problems for his development. He certainly can succeed : with it, but he might not be able to do so consistently. And if he can’t do : that, it’s likely to the pen with him. Noooote: 1)從春訓中可以發現張伯倫的球,均速已經來到90麥出頭左右,筆者認為,他應該 向盲腸借鏡,不然在可預見的未來,將可能會發生..."不要問,很恐怖"的事...   (經版友指正已修改內文)。 (原po再次查詢相關資料:分別為low-90s / mid-90s / high-90s) (90出頭 / 95上下 /90幾接近100) 已作更正,有錯誤之處請不吝指教。 2)張伯倫今年的球速降到跟盲腸去年的球速差不多。然而,不同之處在於,盲腸直球 球速降下來,也把它運用的比例減少,搭配更多change & curve ball,   逐年把速球運用的比例縮減,增加其他球種的運用比例,事實證明,並不影響他的 成績,因為這樣的策略之後,他被擊出更少的安打,送出的保送也變少。  3)筆者認為,如果張伯倫依舊過度依賴他的速球,而對其他球種沒有信心的話,   將會對他的發展衍生出很多問題。 by the way...可否請原po把出處註明一下,我想知道這篇出自哪裡,謝謝:) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.39.61.214

03/13 12:54, , 1F

03/13 12:57, , 2F
Joba均速下修到92.4mph 使用比例沒變多少
03/13 12:57, 2F

03/13 12:57, , 3F
問題還是出在第二第三球種的信心
03/13 12:57, 3F

03/13 12:58, , 4F
跟Hughes問題差不多?混在一起練ChangeUp吧 -__-
03/13 12:58, 4F

03/13 13:09, , 5F
是來到90出頭...不是低於90吧......
03/13 13:09, 5F

03/13 13:19, , 6F
擔心得太早了
03/13 13:19, 6F

03/13 13:22, , 7F
新人局數增加太快球素會降 那什麼時候球速會回來?
03/13 13:22, 7F

03/13 13:26, , 8F
春訓low-90s還好吧 我記得去年春訓也是如此
03/13 13:26, 8F

03/13 13:53, , 9F
low-90s不是低於90........看中文熊熊嚇到我
03/13 13:53, 9F

03/13 14:04, , 10F
均速在low-90s的投手多的是- -
03/13 14:04, 10F

03/13 14:45, , 11F
unnecessary concern
03/13 14:45, 11F

03/13 14:58, , 12F
看到低於90把我嚇出一身汗 orz
03/13 14:58, 12F

03/13 15:17, , 13F
他這場不是有催到94mile?
03/13 15:17, 13F

03/13 15:19, , 14F
去年春訓均速才87mph咧...
03/13 15:19, 14F

03/13 16:13, , 15F
盲腸是天生神力阿...
03/13 16:13, 15F

03/13 16:21, , 16F
幾乎完全不受Verducci effect影響= =
03/13 16:21, 16F

03/13 16:59, , 17F
Mussina也低於90阿 怕什麼
03/13 16:59, 17F

03/13 17:19, , 18F
但是Joba沒有像Moose這麼出色的控球跟變化球阿
03/13 17:19, 18F

03/13 17:27, , 19F
Mussina年輕的時候球速也沒慢到哪去- -
03/13 17:27, 19F

03/13 17:50, , 20F
看到低於90嚇出一身汗+1 在擔心被打爆之前先擔心有傷
03/13 17:50, 20F

03/13 17:54, , 21F
LOW90 是指只有90出頭... 90 91 92 之類的..
03/13 17:54, 21F
謝謝指教,已修改。

03/13 18:42, , 22F
幹媽給噓?
03/13 18:42, 22F

03/13 18:54, , 23F
這句翻錯也不用給噓吧....
03/13 18:54, 23F

03/13 20:22, , 24F
JABA的變化球控制能力跟犀利度都剛盲腸差太多了
03/13 20:22, 24F

03/13 20:22, , 25F
球速一下滑影響就很明顯
03/13 20:22, 25F

03/13 20:58, , 26F
無法建立起速球的信心 變化球自然好不到哪裡去
03/13 20:58, 26F

03/13 21:42, , 27F
他的優勢就是可以丟比別人快,要趕快找到其他優勢~
03/13 21:42, 27F

03/13 21:43, , 28F
像Hughes的速球那麼會跑的話就好了
03/13 21:43, 28F

03/13 21:58, , 29F
可是很多人都認為JABA不用練球種耶...
03/13 21:58, 29F

03/13 21:59, , 30F
似乎是說只要減肥+完成指定的先發局數就好了
03/13 21:59, 30F
※ 編輯: numblife 來自: 114.39.61.214 (03/13 22:15)

03/13 22:22, , 31F
所以沒打算養成更好的SP喔....
03/13 22:22, 31F

03/13 22:23, , 32F
Hughes的控球比他好很多 Joba還有得養勒
03/13 22:23, 32F

03/13 22:24, , 33F
我個人覺得不能光靠球速 畢竟隨著年紀速度難免會降
03/13 22:24, 33F

03/13 22:25, , 34F
加上張伯倫跟盲腸比起來 又比較痛痛
03/13 22:25, 34F

03/13 22:27, , 35F
膝蓋舊傷 肌腱炎 一大堆哩哩扣扣的
03/13 22:27, 35F

03/13 22:28, , 36F
如果缺乏引誘性的球種來搭配 一直拼速球也不是辦法
03/13 22:28, 36F

03/14 01:30, , 37F
回後援吧(戰)
03/14 01:30, 37F

03/14 01:40, , 38F
把Joba丟去牛棚或是定成AJB長中繼也練不出個毛球種
03/14 01:40, 38F

03/14 01:41, , 39F
去年Hughes在牛棚待了大半個球季CHC根本就沒長進
03/14 01:41, 39F

03/14 10:17, , 40F
不過statheads對他的先發工作倒是挺樂觀的
03/14 10:17, 40F

03/14 10:18, , 41F
如果今年挑選了Hughes,然後輪值又像去年奇蹟般的
03/14 10:18, 41F

03/14 10:19, , 42F
健康,八月、九月可能又會看到2、3個人去消耗
03/14 10:19, 42F

03/14 10:19, , 43F
剩下來的局數
03/14 10:19, 43F

03/14 21:50, , 44F
光看標題,以為要Joba學他的姿勢.. 嚇一跳.. XD
03/14 21:50, 44F

12/28 13:49, 7年前 , 45F
均速在low-90s的 http://yofuk.com
12/28 13:49, 45F
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