[閒聊] 有關Fabianski的文章

看板Arsenal作者 (KEEP THE FAITH)時間16年前 (2010/02/27 17:09), 編輯推噓23(23036)
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來分享一下其中一篇,這篇文章跟我上次的看法蠻像的: http://www.onlinegooner.com/exclusive/index.php?id=1550 In defence of Fabianski The reasons why the current second choice keeper has been dismissed a little too quickly 如果就這樣火了法比安司機不覺得太快嘛? By Jeremy Cunnington Recent bad mistakes in high profile games has led to a lot of criticism and comments Fabianski, including the view expressed by Matthew Rice-Smith in his article Jeepers Keepers “Fabianski is just plainly not good enough, not even for a number 2 at a top club...” I believe comments such as these are both unfair and untrue and before the Stoke FA Cup game he has played very well in all the games he has appeared in this season. Indeed I would contend he is the best goalkeeper technically at Arsenal at the moment, and while he may not be good enough for us at the moment, this is because this is due to poor management of him and the goalkeeping position in general - not him. 最近法比安司機在些重要賽事中犯下的錯誤,使他飽受批評, 包括Matthew Rice-Smith在他的文章當中對這位膽顫心驚的門將表示: 「法比安司機現在不僅不夠好,甚至在頂尖俱樂部當個二號門把都不夠,」 我相信這樣的批評聲浪不僅不公平,且不真實的, 在足總杯面對斯托克城、在本賽季參加的賽事,他都打得很好, 事實上我(作者)認為他是現階段槍手技術最好的門將,儘管他現階段不大好, 但大體上來看,是對他的安排不佳所導致這樣的表現,而並非他不好。 Arsenal bought Fabianski in 2007, as he was rated as one of the best young goalkeepers in Europe. Technically he seems an excellent goalkeeper, with great positioning, generally good reading of the game (FA Cup semi-final excepted), fantastic reflexes (witness the double save against Wigan in the Carling Cup last season) and someone who (unlike Almunia) dominates his area and when he goes for crosses invariably gets them. He also seems mentally strong. Having misjudged the cross after Stoke’s first goal he then dealt with every high ball into the penalty area very well - compare Almunia’s pathetic efforts at Stoke in the league last season. The same happened after the horrible error in the Porto game, making some difficult saves look easy thanks to great positioning, (something which Almunia still lacks). 阿森納在二零零七年將法比安司機簽下,當時他被評斷為最佳的歐洲年輕門將, 在技術上來說,他看起來的確是最佳的門將, 擁有極佳的位置感、普遍良好的閱讀比賽能力(足總杯半決賽除外), 范特西的反應(在上賽季卡林杯連續兩個關鍵撲救面對威肝競技) 並且主宰了禁區,讓對手吊中、傳中時,把球攔截住, 是和鋁門大不同的,而且心智較為強壯。 在面對斯拓克城的誤判導致的第一顆進球後, 與鋁門上賽季面對斯托課城中那慘不忍睹的表現相比, 在禁區內的高空球他的判斷都相當優異。同樣的事情在波爾圖這場發生後, 靠著他優異的站位還是做出些難度高的撲救,而這方面是鋁門仍舊缺乏的。 Quality plus experience equals top goalkeeper 質量與經驗造就不凡門將 We need to remember that at 24 he is still very young for a goalkeeper, with goalkeepers not starting to reach their peaks until their 30s. Indeed our last two high quality keepers, Seaman and Lehmann did not reach their prime until at least 32. More than any other position quality comes from experience, i.e. playing lots of games. All the world’s best past and present (Seaman, Kahn, Cech, Buffon, Casillas etc) had all played hundreds of games before reaching their peak. Even then, experienced goalkeepers make horrendous errors such as Buffon throwing the ball into his own net against Celtic a few years ago or Cech’s howler against Turkey in Euro 2008. Fabianski has barely played more than five games in a row since his arrival, thus not gained enough experience. 歷史不能遺忘,經驗必須記取,我們不能遺忘他僅僅只有二十四歲, 對於一個門將他還是相當相當的年輕,守門員在三十歲前都還沒能夠到達他的巔峰。 事實上我們過去兩年神等的門將:馬尾控席曼與大叔萊曼, 兩人在三十二歲之前都還沒有到達他們的頂尖狀態, 這比場上其他位置更需要經驗,除非他們打上很多很多場的賽事。 放眼歷史上的好門將,席曼、卡恩、切赫、布逢、卡西里亞斯等, 在到達他們的巔峰前都打上上百場的比賽。 此外,這些有經驗的門將也犯過可怕的失誤, 幾年前面對Celtics,布逢將球丟入自己的網中, (Orange註:對Celtics毫無印象,不過對Atlanta時也有很誇張的: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSLYkWJ0QUA
) 08歐洲杯 切赫面對土耳其的送大禮 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP7XlUOYFRk
) 法比安司機自從他來到阿森納後,鮮少有連續五場先發, 因此他沒有辦法去得到足夠的經驗。 Goalkeepers are uniquely vulnerable in that when they make a mistake it almost certainly results in a goal (thank goodness the same does not apply to Clichy, Diaby, Song or Denilson or we would be in a relegation battle) and young goalkeepers make more mistakes than most. This makes being a young goalkeeper at a club challenging for honours very difficult and requires brave and clever management, like not playing them once a month and then dropping them. 門將通常都具有一種「獨一」的軟弱特質,當他們犯了一個失誤時便會造成一個失球, (作者:謝天謝地這樣的特質不適用於克里奇、迪亞比、宋跟丹尼爾森, 否則我們現階段應該是為保級而戰)而年輕的門將通常也犯較多的失誤。 這樣讓一個年輕的門將在挑戰獎盃時會顯得十分艱鉅,因此需要些guts跟聰明的管理, 而不是一個月僅讓他上場一次或者只是將他放著不用。 Real Madrid made Casillas its number one when he was aged 19. While he made his fair share of mistakes, the club kept faith with him and 500-600 top level games and ten years later he is one of the world’s best. An example in the Premier League is Pepe Reina. He was signed for Liverpool in 2005, aged only 23, but having played over 200 top flight games in Spain. While he was rocky in the first couple of seasons, particularly with crosses, 200 games plus for Liverpool later he has arguably, along with Given, become the best goalkeeper in our league, aged 27. 皇馬造就卡西里亞斯成為一號門將時,他僅僅只有十九歲。 當他「平均的」分享他的失誤(抱歉,我不大會翻這句) 俱樂部仍舊在他身上保持信念,透過五百到六百場高水平質量的賽事, 十年後他現在是世界最佳的門將。另一個案例是利物浦的蕊那, 他在05年與利物浦簽約,當時他23歲,而在西班牙有超過兩百場的賽事經驗, 他一開始是艱鉅的賽季,特別是在對手吊中與傳中上, 而他在利物浦後的兩百場比賽他成為一號門將毫無爭議, 基文也是一樣,在英超逐步成為最佳門將時,他二十七歲。 Weak management equals weak goalkeeping position 軟弱的管理等於軟弱的守門站位 Wenger should have either made Fabianski Arsenal’s number one and accept that he will make mistakes (like Casillas at Madrid and half the Arsenal first team squad), or he should have loaned him out to another Premier League team or top flight team abroad (Paris Saint Germain were thought to interested a year ago) over the past couple of seasons to gain experience and gone and bought an experienced top quality keeper. It is not as though we did not have the opportunity, with Shay Given rumoured to be interested in signing for us before his move to Man City. Instead Wenger has done the worst possible thing of sticking with a poor goalkeeper who has got worse as first choice and refusing to let the younger more talented player get the sufficient experience. 教授應該要嘛讓法比安司機成為球隊頭號門將,並且能夠容忍他所犯下的錯誤, (如同卡西里亞斯在皇馬的試煉,或者是槍手一軍一半的場次) 或者是他應該把他租借出去到英超另個隊伍(像喬哈特) 或者之前的賽季應該讓他到國外聯賽磨磨一兩個賽季,讓他得到一些經驗值 (傳說中巴黎聖日耳曼對他很有興趣,在一年前) 那在這個期間去購買有經驗的好門將。 這並不是表示我們在基文轉會至曼城前,跟基文的謠言當中沒有任何機會, 反之,教授做的是最壞打算與堅持:使用較差的門將當作第一選擇, 並且拒絕讓更年輕、更有天賦的選手去得到充足的經驗。 While none of our goalkeepers are a top quality ‘keepers yet, it should be said in their defence that none of them are helped by the weakness of our defensive organisation, which leaves them overexposed. Even a top goalkeeper at the peak of his game would struggle playing behind our defence this season. The situation could have been managed far better and the only one who can be blamed for that is the manager. He cannot claim lack of time or opportunity to solve a problem that has been apparent for the last three or four seasons. 顯然我們的門將還沒有成為頂尖門將之前, 用些比較保護的說法說我們的防線沒有辦法給他們幫忙, 反而會使他們過度曝光,更顯出他們的重要性 即使是個頂尖的門將在他的巔峰狀態,在本賽季這樣的防線也會打得很痛苦。 這樣的情況若有良好的管理是可以改善的,因此唯一可以責怪的是教練, 他不能說沒有時間會機會去解決這過去三四年顯然不斷出現的問題。 Despite recent events I would still maintain Fabianski is the best goalkeeper we have, but unless he gets the right management, i.e. the opportunity to play lots of games, he will continue to fail to deliver. He should be given a long run in the side until the end of the season to give him more experience. We are not good enough to win the Premier League or Champions League and should - judging by the other teams - comfortably finish third and gain automatic Champions League qualification regardless. Then in the summer, we can sign a more experienced goalkeeper and Fabianski can be loaned out next season to gain the experience he so badly needs. 儘管最近發生的風風雨雨我仍然認為法比安司機仍舊是我們手上最好的門將牌。 但除非對他有個正確的安置或者是大量的比賽灌他, 否則他會不斷地失敗,最後就say goodbye。 他應該要有個常態的比賽經驗直到賽季結束去得到更多的經驗。 我們可能在贏得英超聯盟冠軍上還不夠好,跟領頭羊相比的話, 但是應該是可以輕鬆拿下第三,在歐冠的資格位上這裡不期不待, (作者的意思應該就是如果換上法比拿第三不成問題,歐冠的部份不要期待太多) 接著在這個夏季要嘛就簽下個門將大物接著法比安司機可以出租, 讓他得到足夠的經驗,這是他現階段最迫切需要的。 -- rsenal ce  #23  Andrei rshavin -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 59.113.70.96

02/27 18:51, , 1F
衛報的Amy Lawrence(槍迷)上次歐冠後有寫關於他的事,有丟給
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02/27 18:53, , 2F
對岸翻但沒貼。雖然她批評的兇,但有提到法比先前幾個大賽就
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以經重挫了,例如上季足總盃,還有4-4那場。球隊既然選擇他
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02/27 18:54, , 4F
當二號球門,風險本就自擔 ; 另外一點說的比較有道理的是,
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02/27 18:54, , 5F
溫格應該好好去跟守門員教練Peyton溝通一下訓練狀況。
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02/27 18:56, , 6F
在四場重要賽事那陣子之前,Lawrence也擔憂的寫過Almunia。
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02/27 19:00, , 7F
下面貼一些Lawrence寫的重點。
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02/27 19:01, , 8F
**專項教練的角色很重要並不僅僅是因為他需要幫助球員練習
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02/27 19:01, , 9F
細節和技術,還需要幫助他們提高諸如專注力,位置的選擇,人
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02/27 19:02, , 10F
牆的組織和最特別的精神力量,這些是守門員強大起來很必要的
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02/27 19:02, , 11F
方面。**這些領域是所有的阿森納管理者們都非常缺乏的。是不
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02/27 19:03, , 12F
是有什麼東西在他們的每日計劃裡面被遺忘了,有些事情他們並
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02/27 19:04, , 13F
沒有去做,而這些工作可以阻止災難的發生?公平的說,甚至是
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02/27 19:04, , 14F
最一絲不苟的教練也不會讓他們的球員練習不要在被判了危險區
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02/27 19:05, , 15F
域的任意球之後愚蠢的將球直接扔回給裁判。
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02/27 20:46, , 16F
這篇看法說得不錯,的確是跟阿橘之前的看法相符,我也認
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02/27 20:47, , 17F
同,問題是時間點不對,2年前可能會跟忍受德尼哇靠一樣
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02/27 20:48, , 18F
讓他吸經驗成長,問題是現在的槍手還有多少時間可以等待
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02/27 21:00, , 19F
所以這篇文章就表示當初把他弄來就該租出去磨,或者是擺
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02/27 21:01, , 20F
上一線隊,租出去的前提是要再補個有經驗的門將頂(也就
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02/27 21:02, , 21F
是鋁門+Somebody,現在都沒弄來這篇作者就認為教授該負責
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02/27 21:02, , 22F
,那麼現階段要彌補的方法也一樣,要嘛補把他租出去,要
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02/27 21:03, , 23F
嘛就像當初卡西里亞斯硬上,對長期是好事,對短期是賭博
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02/27 21:04, , 24F
,至於有多少時間可以等的問題,這問題很複雜。
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02/27 21:05, , 25F
而部長說的東西我之前雖有看過,不過我覺得再厲害的教練
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02/27 21:06, , 26F
這些叮嚀與練習都不如直接上場來的快速,直接上場出現錯
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02/27 21:07, , 27F
誤更令人深刻,比賽是比賽,練習是練習,一個球員在場上
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02/27 21:08, , 28F
出現的紕漏百萬種,口頭傳授都沒上場實際,而且也許有些
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02/27 21:09, , 29F
錯誤也許這門將不用教,他這一輩子也不會碰過。
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02/27 21:11, , 30F
我知道這篇文章的內容,只能看教授怎麼處理了,不過以教
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02/27 21:14, , 31F
授的習慣,硬上的機率遠大於買人來頂法比出租的缺
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02/27 21:32, , 32F
這事就看我們怎麼想,說不定教授比較偏愛殺死你,所以買
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02/27 21:33, , 33F
法比來擋...接著把殺死你租出去....(囧)
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02/27 21:34, , 34F
我猜教授不大會硬上,他不做他無法掌握的賭注,他應該是
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02/27 21:35, , 35F
打算讓法比漸漸取代鋁門,只是我們總是直接看戰績。
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02/27 22:03, , 36F
好門將對爭冠球隊真的很重要 看看隔壁車車被進的兩球...
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02/27 22:03, , 37F
要是切赫至少擋的下一球 門將的差距 也是兩隊的差距
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02/27 22:04, , 38F
不不 切赫就算上也沒辦法,因為曼城隊友吞不下這口氣XDDD
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02/27 22:07, , 39F
表弟威能嗎XD
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02/27 22:08, , 40F
不過相較於切赫 我更想要聖水阿... 要是能來槍手就好了
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02/27 22:14, , 41F
Tevez也看不過去推了Terry一把 貝拉米可惜!
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02/27 22:36, , 42F
今晚是追分的大好時機 槍手GO!!!!!!!!
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02/27 22:36, , 43F
隔壁棚給打爆囉 追分吧!!!
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02/27 22:36, , 44F
貝拉米真的強到靠杯
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02/27 22:38, , 45F
小車車爆了...真想不到
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02/27 22:43, , 46F
出來混總是要環的,不過這比數真的是令人吃驚,4球有屌
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02/27 22:43, , 47F
傳統比分
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02/27 22:45, , 48F
晚點要自己把握了 加油~~~
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02/27 22:50, , 49F
紅藍後面還會遇到 兩隊混戰對我們利多 後面每場都要拿下!
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02/27 22:55, , 50F
晚點一定要贏阿 雖然不好打
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02/27 22:58, , 51F
把手榴彈打成空包彈!!!!
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02/27 23:03, , 52F
wilshere首發!!
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02/27 23:11, , 53F
YA有買wilshere!!
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02/27 23:23, , 54F
說實在 我不懂保頓這賽季的問題在哪 什麼人才都有
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02/27 23:46, , 55F
威脅兒放大槍
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02/27 23:48, , 56F
李青龍底線運的真漂亮
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02/28 00:22, , 57F
看到曼城打爆車車 從傷了RVP後我廠幾乎沒打爆過豪門了...
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02/28 00:28, , 58F
穩穩拿分就好 畢竟這是20隊組成的聯賽 而不是四隊
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02/28 00:41, , 59F
是阿是阿(tea)
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