[情報] Will Dice-K suffer the same fate as past JAP flameouts?

看板Asian-MLB作者 (Westmoreland)時間16年前 (2009/04/23 17:18), 編輯推噓14(14010)
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http://0rz.tw/rvvfb The Red Sox can blame the World Baseball Classic all they want for the shoulder fatigue of right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka, and to a certain degree, they do have a point. It wasn't so much that Matsuzaka threw 65, 86 and 98 pitches in his three WBC starts -- with seven and six days of rest between his second and third starts, respectively. That workload is not excessive. What concerned the Red Sox even before those starts was that the club had no control over Matsuzaka's training regimen. After throwing 408 innings and pitching deep into the postseason two straight years -- when Boston wanted to give his body more recovery time, as Tampa Bay did with its starters coming off a long 2008 season -- Matsuzaka reported not to Boston's camp but to Japan's WBC camp on Feb. 15. The club's attempts to monitor his throwing program were futile, giving way to Japan's national fervor to win another WBC. The Red Sox, however, better hope it is only the WBC that caused Matsuzaka's fatigue. When Boston placed him on the disabled list, I thought not only about the WBC, but also about a story I did about Matsuzaka prior to the 2007 season, his first in the majors after a distinguished, and grueling, career in Japan. What stuck with me is how both the Red Sox and Scott Boras, the agent for Matsuzaka, were concerned about the ominous track record of Japanese starting pitchers when they jump to the big leagues. Both the club and the agent knew about a pattern in which Japanese starters have success in the majors for a year or two, but wear down in years three and four. "The greatest concern is ensuring his health," Boras said then, "not just this year but over the life of the contract and beyond. The history of the Japanese [starting] pitchers who have come here is concerning." The Red Sox, who study these things exhaustively, correlated the decline to age, with the dropoff occurring in the early 30s. But general manager Theo Epstein, when asked about the trend of third and fourth year declines, said, "We may be talking about a similar thing, just measured differently." Matsuzaka was 26 when he joined the big leagues, the same age as when Hideo Nomo made his jump. The other relevant comparisons are Kaz Ishii (28 when he joined MLB), Hideki Irabu (28) and Masato Yoshii (33). Nomo, Ishii, Irabu and Yoshii all had initial success. But the third and fourth seasons became treacherous. Nomo was much worse in his third year and released by the Dodgers in his fourth year. Ishii was done after his fourth year. Irabu made only five more starts after his fourth year. Yoshii was released after his third year. Here is one way to measure the track record that concerned Boras two years ago. I took the combined stats for the pitchers in question for their first two seasons. (In the case of Irabu, who made only nine starts in his first season, 1997, I took his 1997-99 numbers.) Then I compared those numbers to how they pitched in their third season. Take a look at the comparison: STAT COMPARISON SEASONS 1-2 SEASON 3 Pitcher W-L ERA K/9 W-L ERA K/9 Hideki Irabu 29-20 4.80 7.2 2- 5 7.24 6.9 Kaz Ishii 23-17 4.07 8.5 13- 8 4.71 5.1 Hideo Nomo 29-17 2.90 10.1 14-12 4.25 10.1 Masato Yoshii 18-16 4.17 5.8 6-15 5.86 4.7 Daisuke Matsuzaka 33-15 3.72 8.6 ? In every case, the third year was a pothole. Their ERAs soared and, in all but one case, their strikeout rate dropped. Nomo did recover to post two good seasons with the Dodgers later in his career, but otherwise he was mostly ordinary after the initial burst. The biggest concern for such a track record is the difference in how pitchers are used in Japan and in the majors. Matsuzaka pitched every sixth or seventh day in Japan in a shorter season, but his individual pitch counts wouldn't be allowed in America. He threw, for instance, 250 pitches in a high school game, 189 pitches on Opening Day 2003, 160 pitches in his second start of 2005 and 145 pitches in his penultimate start before signing with Boston. Perhaps most ominously, Matsuzaka threw 588 innings as a pro in Japan as a teenager. As former Red Sox teammate Curt Schilling said back in 2007, "He is a big league ace in the making. The question is, does he throw his last pitch at 31 or at 39?" The Red Sox for now have no serious concerns about Matsuzaka, not with his current shoulder fatigue and not long term. Said Epstein, "We think he'll be fine after taking a break for a couple of weeks. He went through a similar period last year." The Red Sox, it should be noted, are considered to run industry state-of-the-art maintenance and rehabilitation programs for pitchers. Perhaps Matsuzaka, as Pedro Martinez did, will need these periodic down times to manage his way through long seasons and the every-fifth-day routine. But if Matsuzaka retains his strength and elite pitching through the next season or two, he will be bucking the trend that concerned Boras upon Matsuzaka signing with the Sox. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.67.110

04/23 17:35, , 1F
野茂真厲害~
04/23 17:35, 1F

04/23 17:37, , 2F
同樣是直球搭配指叉,不知道上原早一點來,直球還有145+的
04/23 17:37, 2F

04/23 17:37, , 3F
得時候威力怎樣,成績會如何~~
04/23 17:37, 3F

04/23 17:59, , 4F
野茂跟上原的控球等級完全不同啊
04/23 17:59, 4F

04/23 18:19, , 5F
野茂前兩年有夠殺的
04/23 18:19, 5F

04/23 18:25, , 6F
野茂靠外星人指叉+尾勁十足的145直球殺翻MLB
04/23 18:25, 6F

04/23 18:28, , 7F
上原的快速指叉應該沒野茂的大叉來的sharp ...
04/23 18:28, 7F

04/23 18:33, , 8F
Nomo 剛到美國應該有 95 mph嗎
04/23 18:33, 8F

04/23 18:42, , 9F
記得應該92~93吧
04/23 18:42, 9F

04/23 19:38, , 10F
野茂只有前兩年猛,後來幾年就不如意了,或許是舊傷關係
04/23 19:38, 10F

04/23 19:39, , 11F
而且後來變超肥的,根本是右投版的David Wells
04/23 19:39, 11F

04/23 21:38, , 12F
樓上這樣說不完全對 至少2001~2003 野茂這三年也投得很不錯
04/23 21:38, 12F

04/23 21:41, , 13F
97,99,00算是表現平平 98,04,05,08就真的是非常不如意了
04/23 21:41, 13F

04/24 00:12, , 14F
上原跟野茂是不同類型的指叉球投手~一個肥一個瘦!!!
04/24 00:12, 14F

04/24 00:39, , 15F
03年道奇16W6L 3.39ERA 和O.Perez 石井一久共投出45勝
04/24 00:39, 15F

04/24 00:41, , 16F
02年抱歉
04/24 00:41, 16F

04/24 06:30, , 17F
野茂在道奇都很殺 96年03年都有進入賽揚獎投票
04/24 06:30, 17F

04/24 07:34, , 18F
六樓靠選球和偶然的長打博得板友的喜愛XDD
04/24 07:34, 18F

04/24 07:35, , 19F
人都會老,即便最後幾年不如意,野茂還是我的最愛~~~
04/24 07:35, 19F

04/25 14:56, , 20F
樓樓上 根據 baseball-reference Nomo 95,96年進入過CYA投票
04/25 14:56, 20F

04/25 14:59, , 21F
03年沒有 你記錯了;但怪的是 02年Nomo怎麼會沒進入CYA投票呢?
04/25 14:59, 21F

04/25 15:00, , 22F
02年Nomo 16W6L 3.39ERA 卻沒在當年CYA票選拿到一張票
04/25 15:00, 22F

04/26 00:34, , 23F
因為2002年是RJ ERA 2.32 24-5 334K 260IP
04/26 00:34, 23F

04/26 00:34, , 24F
那年只有腦袋秀斗才會投NOMO吧XD = =
04/26 00:34, 24F
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