[討論] Passan其實也不是不願意解釋打擊率 禮貌問題

看板BaseballXXXX作者 (EZ78)時間3小時前 (2025/08/04 08:29), 3小時前編輯推噓4(4019)
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https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1951747434549289092 有人誠心發問為啥打擊率不重要了 這老哥就很有禮貌的認真回答 Great question, John. For most of baseball history, the walk was sneered at -- a lesser form of getting on base compared to the exceptional skill it takes to swing. The analytical revolution in the game changed that. If the objective of the game is to outscore a team, then the likeliest way to score runs is for people to get on base. Post-Moneyball, on-base percentage replaced batting average as more reliable metric for helping produce runs. Batting average was almost a victim of its own popularity, though. Because it does matter. It's just not the first determinant of a baseball player's quality. Sometimes I do fear the pendulum has swung too far in the anti-batting-average direction. Let's take three players as examples, with their batting averages, on-base percentages and slugging percentages: Manny Machado: .302/.361/.507 Juan Soto: .248/.383/.486 Eugenio Suárez: .248/.319/.572 Three totally different hitters. Machado is balanced and batting average-heavy. Soto’s average is deflated but he’s an on-base savant thanks to the highest walk rate in the major leagues. Suárez is a masher whose high slug is his calling card. So who’s the best? Well, if you’re judging by a metric called weighted on-base average, which seeks to be a catch-all offensive number that is park-neutral … they are pretty much identical. It goes to show: Offensively, there are plenty of ways to be really good. A great batting average is never a bad thing. But a poor one, as Soto and Suá rez illustrate, does not doom you to mediocrity. https://x.com/JeffPassan/status/1951753083790238007 A few postscripts, if I may: - Characterizing a .248 average as poor is wrong. The league-wide average is actually .246. Which I personally think is problematic. I'd love to see more balls in play because balls in play = action and forcing the defense to make a play demands skill. - There is also the concept of BABIP -- batting average on balls in play. Historically, the league-wide BABIP, determined by how often balls put in the field of play (home runs not included) land for hits, was around .300. Because of better defensive positioning, that number is closer to .290 these days. Some years, guys have excellent ball-in-play fortune. And some years, they don't. BABIP luck is often the difference between a good average and a lesser one, whereas walk rate tends to be much steadier year-over-year. - Another sub-category is batting average with runners in scoring position. This isn't particularly steady year-over-year, but it damn sure is important when it comes to run production. And some players just have a knack for hitting better with RISP than others, which illustrates another reason batting average itself is but a partial story. - There's strikeout rate, too. The strikeout has become an accepted part of hitting. I hate that. If you put the ball in play and it has a 29-30% chance of falling for a hit, then shouldn't an outcome with a 0% chance of falling for a hit thusly be penalized? Smarter people than me have determined that if higher strikeouts are the cost of higher slug, the tradeoff is worthwhile. I get the premise. I just find it to be an uglier form of a beautiful game. https://imgur.com/r2Txh4w
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08/04 08:31, 3小時前 , 1F
524:我只看打擊率 打擊率最讚
08/04 08:31, 1F
※ 編輯: EZ78 (98.113.171.65 美國), 08/04/2025 08:32:42

08/04 08:35, 2小時前 , 2F
但他最大的問題是嘴一個明明上壘率也不差的人生涯只有
08/04 08:35, 2F

08/04 08:35, 2小時前 , 3F
打擊率能說嘴
08/04 08:35, 3F

08/04 08:37, 2小時前 , 4F
當然你能說他嘴的那個人是老害 要嘴他當然也沒問題 但
08/04 08:37, 4F

08/04 08:37, 2小時前 , 5F
他自己嘴法就是也很白癡
08/04 08:37, 5F

08/04 08:38, 2小時前 , 6F
那是因為Doug先嘴砲打擊率低=swing decision不好
08/04 08:38, 6F

08/04 08:38, 2小時前 , 7F
你真的認真跟他解釋就輸了
08/04 08:38, 7F

08/04 08:39, 2小時前 , 8F
Kyle Schwarber某年打擊率超低但長打跟上壘很好 這樣是
08/04 08:39, 8F

08/04 08:39, 2小時前 , 9F
揮擊策略有問題???
08/04 08:39, 9F

08/04 08:40, 2小時前 , 10F
很多時候打不到球跟揮擊策略根本是兩回事
08/04 08:40, 10F

08/04 08:42, 2小時前 , 11F
沒 他今天大可直接嘴他跟不上時代了還只看打擊率 但他
08/04 08:42, 11F

08/04 08:42, 2小時前 , 12F
順便嘲諷了他的生涯 你要嘲諷他生涯也沒差 但就根本沒
08/04 08:42, 12F

08/04 08:42, 2小時前 , 13F
嘴到點上
08/04 08:42, 13F

08/04 08:44, 2小時前 , 14F
而且很多人嘲諷Doug這種拿履歷壓人的嘴法 我百分百同意
08/04 08:44, 14F

08/04 08:44, 2小時前 , 15F
這種就是討人厭的老害 但Passan自己不也是啥都沒講 直
08/04 08:44, 15F

08/04 08:44, 2小時前 , 16F
接丟一句「你要連球探也討厭嗎?這是球探講的」
08/04 08:44, 16F

08/04 08:44, 2小時前 , 17F
這種講法不也是另一種拿權威壓人的戰法
08/04 08:44, 17F

08/04 08:45, 2小時前 , 18F
但實際上哪個球探?從哪裡看他出棒選擇好?一個都沒講
08/04 08:45, 18F

08/04 08:45, 2小時前 , 19F
這種戰法不就也跟一般低端記者沒差多少
08/04 08:45, 19F

08/04 08:47, 2小時前 , 20F
而且Passan一直以來最擅長的不就也是這樣引戰
08/04 08:47, 20F

08/04 08:49, 2小時前 , 21F
今天甚至退一萬步講 他今天不去跟著嘴砲 Doug只會更被
08/04 08:49, 21F

08/04 08:49, 2小時前 , 22F
當小丑來看 但他故意那樣嘴 說白了不就只是為了流量而
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08/04 08:49, 2小時前 , 23F
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