[News] Rotation questions abound for Jays

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不管你是否為藍鳥隊的球迷,在今年球季結束後,藍鳥隊內部會有很多的問題發生, 以下這篇文章是介紹藍鳥隊的內部情形及球隊的問題,本人對藍鳥隊不太了解,如果 有了解藍鳥隊的球迷,看完此篇文章,說出來與大家分享,謝謝。 10/02/08 12:45 PM ET Rotation questions abound for Jays Injuries, possible loss of Burnett deplete team strenghth By Jordan Bastian / MLB.com TORONTO -- The 2008 season hadn't even ended before concerns about the Blue Jays' chances of fielding a contending club next year started to surface. Toronto's pitching staff -- the club's strongest asset -- is suddenly riddled with question marks. The Jays might be forced to open the '09 slate with a young and relatively green starting rotation, creating doubt that Toronto can realistically compete in the rigors of the American League East. Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi prefers to paint the picture a different way as the team heads into this offseason. Ricciardi is quick to point to the success of clubs like the Minnesota Twins and the Tampa Bay Rays, whose strong showings this past season was largely aided by young pitching staffs. That alone is enough for Ricciardi to hope that his Blue Jays could see similar results next year. "Look at Minnesota. Look at Tampa," Ricciardi said. "They've thrown a lot of young kids out there and they've been able to sustain and compete. We're confident with the guys we've got. We'll do whatever we have to do with the hand we're dealt." Toronto certainly hasn't been dealt an ideal hand. The Blue Jays boasted one of the best rotations in 2008, with a starting five of ace Roy Halladay, A.J. Burnett, Dustin McGowan, Shaun Marcum and Jesse Litsch. Peering ahead to Opening Day 2009, there's a very real possibility that only Halladay and Litsch will be in the rotation at the season's onset. Burnett -- under contract for $12 million in each of the next two seasons, as of now -- has the ability to opt out of his contract in order to test his worth on the free-agent market. Ricciardi has noted that Toronto is willing to lengthen Burnett's contract in an effort to keep him in the fold, but the team won't get into a bidding war for the pitcher. "A.J. obviously has a decision to make -- whether he wants to stay here or not," Ricciardi said. "Whatever he decides, if he stays, it's great. If he doesn't, we've got some kids coming that we think we can throw into the mix." McGowan, who had season-ending surgery on his right shoulder in July, might not be available until May. Marcum -- a recent recipient of Tommy John ligament-replacement surgery on his right elbow -- is out of the picture until 2010. The loss of McGowan and Marcum puts a lot of pressure on a cast of inexperienced arms. When Spring Training rolls around, Halladay and Litsch will be followed by a host of pitchers vying for jobs in the rotation. That group will likely include David Purcey, Scott Richmond, Casey Janssen, Brett Cecil, Ricky Romero and Davis Romero. Ricciardi insists that the Jays plan on filling the holes internally. The Blue Jays have roughly $70 million, including signing bonuses, committed in payroll to 11 players who are in the fold for 2009. That figure doesn't include the few arbitration-eligible players or the controlled players due for a raise. With a payroll of around $100 million, Toronto won't have an excess of cash to spend this winter. The Jays could use some pitching help, and the club might see what's available via trade, or look to the second tier of available free-agent arms. Then again, Toronto's main weakness in 2008 was offense, and the Blue Jays could benefit by finding a way to add another productive bat to the mix. "Maybe next year our pitching goes backward a little bit," Ricciardi said, "and our offense comes forward a little bit and we kind of even this thing out. Our pitching has been absolutely great. It's been great for a couple years. We've got no complaints there." The direction the Jays decide to take will depend on a few factors. If Toronto can convince Burnett to stay, that would help alleviate the problems in the rotation. The Blue Jays could also be in the market for a designated hitter, but the team is going to seriously discuss using rookie Travis Snider and Adam Lind in that role. "Until we really get into the winter," Ricciardi said, "we're not going to know what our needs are, specifically. We've got A.J.'s situation and we have to talk about the Snider situation. Is that one where we're totally convinced that we should go that way? "What presents itself in the way of trades? We've got a general idea, but I don't think we'll have a real good idea until we get into the winter." CONTRACT ISSUES Free agents: Gregg Zaun, C; Brad Wilkerson, OF; Kevin Mench, OF; John Parrish, RP. Eligible for arbitration: Jason Frasor, RP; Brian Tallet, RP; Jose Bautista, INF. Club options: Rod Barajas, C, $2.5 million. Opt-out clauses: Burnett, SP; Scott Rolen, 3B. Non-tender possibilities: Jason Frasor, RP; Brian Tallet, RP. CATCHERS Rod Barajas, .249 BA, 11 HR, 49 RBIs Curtis Thigpen, .222 BA, 3 HR, 41 RBIs (AAA) Barajas won the starting job over Gregg Zaun in 2008 and will be back in '09. This winter, the Blue Jays could be in the market for a veteran backup to throw into the mix for the No. 2 job, which could be Thigpen's to lose. FIRST BASE Lyle Overbay, .270 BA, 15 HR, 69 RBIs, 74 BB Overbay turned in an inconsistent campaign in '08, though he was still hampered some by the right hand he broke a season earlier. Toronto's offense needs improved production from first base next year. SECOND BASE Aaron Hill, .263 BA, 2 HR, 20 RBIs, 55 G Joe Inglett, .297 BA, 7 3B, 39 RBIs, .355 OBP A concussion ended Hill's season prematurely in May, when he was struck on the side of the head during an on-field collision with former Jays shortstop David Eckstein. Inglett stepped up in a big way and both he and Hill will be back in '09. SHORTSTOP Marco Scutaro, .267 BA, 7 HR, 60 RBIs John McDonald, .210 BA, 1 HR, 18 RBIs The Blue Jays, who have cycled through 19 shortstops since 2001, could be in the market for a new shortstop this offseason. If a 20th isn't added to that list, Toronto could split the playing time between Scutaro and McDonald, or consider moving Hill from second. THIRD BASE Scott Rolen, .262 BA, 11 HR, 50 RBIs Jose Bautista, .238 BA, 15 HR, 54 RBIs (PIT/TOR) Rolen -- signed through 2010 -- struggled late in the year, when his surgically-repaired left shoulder began acting up again. Rolen made some tweaks to his swing and the Jays are hoping he can return to his previous form in 2009. OUTFIELD Vernon Wells, .300 BA, 20 HR, 78 RBIs, 108 G Alex Rios, .291 BA, 15 HR, 79 RBIs, 32 SB Adam Lind, .282 BA, 9 HR, 40 RBIs, 88 G Travis Snider, .275 BA, 23 HR, 91 RBIs (AAA/AA/A) Buck Coats, .286 BA, 7 HR, 44 RBIs (AAA) When not on the disabled list in '08, Wells performed as expected for the Jays. Rios' power numbers dropped, but he was still Toronto's best all-around hitter. Lind and Snider could both see time as the left fielder and designated hitter next year. ROTATION Roy Halladay, 20-11, 2.78 ERA, 206 K, 9 CG A.J. Burnett, 18-10, 4.07 ERA, 231 K Dustin McGowan, 6-7, 4.37 ERA, 19 GS Jesse Litsch, 13-9, 3.58 ERA, 39 BB David Purcey, 3-6, 5.54 ERA, 58 K, 65 IP Scott Richmond, 6-11, 4.45 ERA, 124 K (AAA/AA) Casey Janssen (right shoulder surgery in March) Toronto's rotation could be in rough shape to begin '09. McGowan (right shoulder) might not be available until May and Shaun Marcum (right elbow) is out until 2010. If Burnett opts out, the starting staff behind Halladay could become really young, really fast. BULLPEN B.J. Ryan, 2-4, 2.95 ERA, 32 SV, 58 K Scott Downs, 0-3, 1.78 ERA, 70 2/3 IP Jesse Carlson, 7-2, 2.25 ERA, .275 BAA Brandon League, 1-2, 2.18 ERA, 31 G Brian Tallet, 1-2, 2.88 ERA, 51 G Jason Frasor, 1-2, 4.18 ERA, .208 BAA Shawn Camp, 3-1, 4.12 ERA, 40 G Brian Wolfe, 0-2, 2.45 ERA, 22 IP Jeremy Accardo, 0-3, 6.57 ERA, 16 G Ryan made a successful -- if rocky, at times -- return to the bullpen after having Tommy John ligament-replacement surgery on his left elbow in May 2007. With Ryan and Downs leading the way, the Jays' pen emerged as the top group in baseball. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.134.51.75

10/07 23:27, , 1F
大意應該是我們不含仲裁我們約有30M左右的薪資可以花
10/07 23:27, 1F

10/07 23:28, , 2F
而這些錢該是用來補個DH大棒子還是留下AJB呢?
10/07 23:28, 2F

10/07 23:29, , 3F
根據妳是阿弟的談話. 他傾向倚靠年輕SP像雙城光芒一樣
10/07 23:29, 3F

10/07 23:30, , 4F
所以未來可能是補大棒子吧. Snider小弟可能還得練練兵
10/07 23:30, 4F

10/08 00:25, , 5F
照上面那篇...只有15-20M可以花 這應該是比較接近
10/08 00:25, 5F

10/08 00:28, , 6F
其實就是AJ及Thomas薪水扣掉一些要加薪水
10/08 00:28, 6F

10/08 00:47, , 7F
算出來了~ 差不多有20M可花
10/08 00:47, 7F

10/08 10:55, , 8F
那問題是簽誰,C/P值比較好
10/08 10:55, 8F

10/08 13:40, , 9F
酒鬼可能會出清Hardy跟Fielder 我們有機會嗎?
10/08 13:40, 9F

10/08 14:12, , 10F
我傾向找個大砲1B....但OverBay的7M誰要收... 0.0
10/08 14:12, 10F

10/08 14:18, , 11F
Prince可以打DH
10/08 14:18, 11F

10/08 14:18, , 12F
Lind LF, Snyder AAA
10/08 14:18, 12F

10/08 14:19, , 13F
我現在正在幻想Rios, Wells, Fielder, Hardy, Overbay, Rolen
10/08 14:19, 13F

10/08 14:19, , 14F
的陣容 :)~~~~
10/08 14:19, 14F

10/08 14:20, , 15F
要拿誰去換,我在想一下
10/08 14:20, 15F

10/08 14:20, , 16F
10/08 14:20, 16F

10/08 16:12, , 17F
其實不是很了解酒鬼怎麼好像又要重建的的感覺? 以小王子
10/08 16:12, 17F

10/08 16:13, , 18F
Hardy Braun所組成的中心打線還可以用個好幾年
10/08 16:13, 18F

10/08 16:15, , 19F
不過假使他們要賣的話 希望我們可以去搶 光想就流口水
10/08 16:15, 19F

10/08 17:30, , 20F
版大...如果那樣的陣容...我看要兩隊合併才有機會 XD
10/08 17:30, 20F

10/08 18:02, , 21F
酒鬼不會賣吧,他們從去年開始不就在說要組全明星內野??
10/08 18:02, 21F

10/08 18:10, , 22F
藍鳥好像沒啥籌碼可換
10/08 18:10, 22F

10/08 18:11, , 23F
最有價值的Dustin McGowan和Shaun Marcum都受傷了
10/08 18:11, 23F

10/08 18:11, , 24F
其他人酒鬼也不會收
10/08 18:11, 24F

10/09 01:34, , 25F
ACEP:Lind LF, Snyder AAA<----推這個。
10/09 01:34, 25F

10/09 01:47, , 26F
Snider
10/09 01:47, 26F

10/09 02:46, , 27F
我們除了投手之外 拿得出來有交易價值的似乎都頗貴
10/09 02:46, 27F

10/09 02:48, , 28F
但是假如CC跑了 那麼酒鬼一定會很想要年輕投手
10/09 02:48, 28F

10/09 02:50, , 29F
如果是AJ先簽後換+Hill/Inglett+Lind/Snider+年輕P x1
10/09 02:50, 29F

10/09 02:50, , 30F
頂多是年輕SP.RP各一 這樣的package應該有一定吸引力
10/09 02:50, 30F

10/09 02:51, , 31F
這應該是我們籌碼的上限了 Orz
10/09 02:51, 31F

10/09 02:53, , 32F
個人認為假如CC和Sheets他們都留不住 我們就很有機會
10/09 02:53, 32F

10/09 04:15, , 33F
AJ先簽後換?沒吸引力吧...他根本算自由球員了...
10/09 04:15, 33F

10/09 05:15, , 34F
對原本對AJ有興趣的隊伍會有吸引力。還是要看AJ願不願意將
10/09 05:15, 34F

10/09 05:16, , 35F
讓藍鳥和第二隊重整合約。
10/09 05:16, 35F

10/09 09:10, , 36F
假如我們幫忙吃一部分AJ薪水這就是個好籌碼了
10/09 09:10, 36F

10/09 09:16, , 37F
AJ如果想離隊的話...自由市場才可能獲得最大利益...
10/09 09:16, 37F

10/09 09:19, , 38F
他沒事佛心來著幫Jays??? 況且他不是要離家近 哪會想去MIL
10/09 09:19, 38F

10/09 09:22, , 39F
我是有看錯嗎? AJ+Hill/Inglett+Lind/Snider+SP1的包裹?
10/09 09:22, 39F

10/09 09:25, , 40F
這要換誰?? Fielder+?+? 還是我搞錯了...
10/09 09:25, 40F

10/09 09:30, , 41F
這樣25人名單一次少3-4人 要補不容易 而且似乎本末倒置了吧
10/09 09:30, 41F

10/09 12:37, , 42F
我只是把可以用的籌碼列出來 也不會一次少三四人吧
10/09 12:37, 42F

10/09 12:38, , 43F
至少假如想換Fielder+Hardy就得準備一個大包裹
10/09 12:38, 43F

10/09 12:38, , 44F
這是無庸置疑的 當然我們也可以繼續靠農場
10/09 12:38, 44F

10/09 12:39, , 45F
我只是想提出一些可能性 雖然我對自家人也是有感情的
10/09 12:39, 45F

10/09 12:40, , 46F
假如用那樣的包裹換來Fielder+Hardy 我們變成是把
10/09 12:40, 46F

10/09 12:40, , 47F
SS和DH這兩個位置從潛力換成實績 要付出的就是年輕P
10/09 12:40, 47F

10/09 12:41, , 48F
以及錢(不管是續約兩人的錢或是先簽後換之類)
10/09 12:41, 48F

10/09 12:43, , 49F
當然我們的投手深度也可以拿來做別的事就是了
10/09 12:43, 49F

10/09 12:43, , 50F
老實說 AJ可能不會想去MIL 但是假如Jays要幫他吃一
10/09 12:43, 50F

10/09 12:44, , 51F
部份合約 他的確可能從這樣的交易拿到比FA簽約還多
10/09 12:44, 51F

10/09 12:44, , 52F
只是我想我們球團應該不大可能考慮這個選項
10/09 12:44, 52F

10/09 12:48, , 53F
這樣想似乎跟遊騎兵交換Salty容易多了 隔壁赤襪有人說要用
10/09 12:48, 53F

10/09 12:49, , 54F
八扣子換 我們的年輕投手隨便組合會輸給八扣子嗎?
10/09 12:49, 54F

10/09 12:51, , 55F
我也覺得Salty不錯 這樣的確戰力更動會比較小
10/09 12:51, 55F

10/09 13:00, , 56F
但是好的middle-IF頗難得 並且我們也缺大棒子
10/09 13:00, 56F

10/09 17:17, , 57F
哼哼哼哼 明年看我
10/09 17:17, 57F

10/09 18:41, , 58F
是Janssen!我們好想你啊!!你終於回來了~\(*〞▽〝)/
10/09 18:41, 58F

10/09 18:48, , 59F
Janssen哥!超想你的啦~就等你歸位了!! ^.<
10/09 18:48, 59F

10/09 22:07, , 60F
........XD
10/09 22:07, 60F

10/11 01:38, , 61F
NYY版有新聞說 Burnett 想要張五年的大約...小將們,明年看你
10/11 01:38, 61F

10/11 01:38, , 62F
們的啦~
10/11 01:38, 62F

10/11 12:32, , 63F
我們出4Y/54M跟5Y/80M 這也差太多了吧。 囧。
10/11 12:32, 63F
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