[翻譯] Growing pains in Atlanta, or big changes coming?

看板Braves作者 (西接勾么洞)時間11年前 (2014/09/10 16:56), 11年前編輯推噓32(32098)
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http://ppt.cc/OIZ~ http://t.co/xww0aea8Fw (相同來源) (快速翻譯有關勇士的部份) ---- Seven months ago, the Braves signed general manager Frank Wren and manager Fredi Gonzalez to contract extensions of unspecified lengths. 七個月前,球隊才跟總管 Wren 跟總仔 Gonzalez 續約。 Now, in the wake of CEO Terry McGuirk’s "everybody is accountable" comment to Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist Jeff Schultz, is it possible that Wren and/or Gonzalez are in trouble? 球隊總裁 Terry McGuirk 表示:"每個人都該為此負責!"這代表 Wren 跟 Gonzalez要 倒大楣了!? Anything is possible with a team as frustrating as the Braves, a team that is fading from even wild-card contention and is next-to-last in the National League in runs per game. 球隊的慘況:快跟外卡 say goodbye & 國聯倒數第二的得分能力。 Yet, people in the industry would be surprised if the Braves deviated from their normally stable course, unless tension is building underneath the surface in the front office and/or clubhouse. 球迷對球隊未來感到悲觀,管理階層跟球隊內部感受到了嗎? Wren is close with McGuirk, according to major-league sources. Gonzalez was Wren’s hand-picked choice to replace Bobby Cox. And while both the GM and manager bear responsibility for the Braves’ malaise, certain facts are worth noting: Cox 爺爺退休後,Gonzalez 是 Wren 親手挑選的接班人,現在這兩位對球隊 目前處境責無旁貸,另外還有一些情況必須知道: ‧ The Braves, before the September roster expansion, were one of the youngest teams in the majors. 九月拓編前,球隊是聯盟最菜逼巴的球隊之一。 ‧ Few clubs are as successful as the Braves at identifying, developing and keeping young talent, as evidenced by the long-term extensions that they recently awarded four homegrown stars -- first baseman Freddie Freeman, shortstop Andrelton Simmons, right-hander Julio Teheran and closer Craig Kimbrel. 球隊季前才與四位自家培養的球員續了長約:自由人、西門、大黑輪、金寶。 ‧ Over the past five seasons, the Braves have won more regular-season games than any NL club and only one fewer than the major-league leading Yankees (Cox managed the first of those seasons). 過去五個球季,勇士是國聯贏得最多例行賽的球隊,大聯盟僅少於洋基一勝。 Granted, the Braves have won only two postseason games in that stretch, while the Cardinals and Giants each have appeared in two World Series. But regular-season success is the best measure of organizational efficiency, and the Braves have attained it. 然而,球隊只在季後賽拿過兩勝,而對手紅雀跟巨人都二度叩關世界大賽。 So, what is the problem? 例行賽一條龍,季後賽一條蟲。這他X的是怎麼回事? Well, Gonzalez is the manager of a team that often looks clueless offensively, a failure that also reflects on hitting coach Greg Walker and his assistant, Scott Fletcher. 總A跟打教皆無能。 Wren, meanwhile, is the GM who awarded inflated contracts to second baseman Dan Uggla (since released with more than $18 million left on his deal) and center fielder B.J. Upton (whom the team has tried to trade in the second year of his five-year, $75.25 million contract). 總管簽爛約(洞一洞 & BJ)。 The Upton deal was baffling — rival executives and even players were critical of it from the start, saying that Upton had accomplished little to warrant such an investment. Uggla, though, was on a Hall of Fame track when the Braves acquired him from the Marlins. Few anticipated that he would fall so hard, so quickly. BJ一開始就爛透了,洞一洞從名人堂變成路人甲。 Wren’s signings of right-handers Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami also did not end well, but Lowe contributed in the first three seasons of his four-year, $60 million contract and several clubs targeted Kawakami before he joined the Braves on a relatively modest three-year, $23 million deal. 爛約罄竹難書。(DLowe & 川上憲伸) If Wren warrants criticism for those contracts, then he also deserves praise for his theft of Justin Upton, his last-minute signings of free-agent righties Ervin Santana and Aaron Harang in spring training, even seemingly minor moves such as his trade of righty Tommy Hanson for reliever Jordan Walden in November 2012. 好啦,Wren也不是一事無成,從蛇蛇跟猴子偷來了 Upton弟 跟 Walden, 另外還在今年SP開天窗前找來了 阿凸 & 哈姆太郎。 Gonzalez overused his bullpen early in his tenure, occasionally sticks too long with slumping hitters and, like most managers, makes his share of head-scratching moves. But he also finished fifth, fourth and third for NL Manager of the Year the past three seasons. 是的,總A愛操牛棚。(天天V表示:) "Everybody is accountable," McGuirk told the AJC’s Schultz. "You mentioned two guys who are accountable, I’m holding myself accountable. I don’t want to make any predictions. I don’t want to say even how or when meetings will occur. But if we don’t have success, know that we won’t be satisfied and we ’ll be looking at things very hard." 總裁表示:這兩個傢伙要負責,我也要負責。 Such an examination seems likely — the Braves are now just four games over .500 and three ahead of the Marlins. Again, changes are possible if the issues with Wren and/or Gonzalez run deeper than they appear. But right now, this looks like an organization that is simply going through growing pains. 五成勝率 & 跟大魚的黃金交叉。 The question is whether McGuirk will stay patient, or seek dramatic solutions. 好戲在後頭。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.254.222.149 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Braves/M.1410339413.A.866.html

09/10 17:03, , 1F
打線真的是....
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09/10 17:12, , 2F
我覺得打教問題比簽約大很多@@ 簽約時都算有補到洞
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09/10 17:12, , 3F
結果簽來變成洞...
09/10 17:12, 3F
附議。 打的好問題會被無視,但是打不好呢?BJ、黑娃、西門,甚至連Doumit都教授, 今年打出來的成績,恐怕都跟預期落差很大吧。當球員遇到低潮時,教練團是否 有能力幫這些球員找出關鍵並且克服問題,而不是一直餵你PA,打久了自己 就走出低潮了!?你說老將自我調整我還信,問題是這隻球隊年輕得很,教練團 要是只會放牛吃草的話,那我還要你教練團幹麻,尸位素餐喔。 ※ 編輯: cj910 (111.254.222.149), 09/10/2014 18:06:45

09/10 19:17, , 4F
今天如果有個打教能讓每個到他手上的球員都打到高潮
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09/10 19:17, , 5F
那大家願意花多少錢請這個打教?XD
09/10 19:17, 5F

09/10 19:18, , 6F
BJ當初本來就不是好選擇吧XD 只是我們沒啥選擇
09/10 19:18, 6F

09/10 19:38, , 7F
當時不肯跟著Bourn&Boras的九位數喊價起舞才轉簽BJ
09/10 19:38, 7F

09/10 19:39, , 8F
速度之快與金額之高以勇士的財力的確相當令人咋舌
09/10 19:39, 8F

09/10 19:42, , 9F
如果今年最後就這樣在五成勝率邊緣徘徊結束的話
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09/10 19:43, , 10F
會不會直接在季後開始重建?如果老闆不繼續多給錢
09/10 19:43, 10F

09/10 19:44, , 11F
明年季後J. Upton跟Heyward可能一個都留不下來
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09/10 19:44, , 12F
而Medlen跟Beachy究竟會恢復到什麼程度也不知道
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09/10 19:45, , 13F
就算能回到傷前水準也會有局數限制,Medlen甚至可能
09/10 19:45, 13F

09/10 19:46, , 14F
被non-tender。但今年季前才鎖好勇士自己的核心成員
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09/10 19:47, , 15F
,就這樣打掉實在很不甘願吧
09/10 19:47, 15F

09/10 19:49, , 16F
今年季後rebuild的話新球場是要靠工具人來招球迷嗎?
09/10 19:49, 16F

09/10 19:50, , 17F
retool是必然的,能清的清一清,把核心留下
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09/10 19:50, , 18F
後年的空間清出來,其實很快的
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09/10 19:56, , 19F
打教真的該滾了....今年真的太鳥
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09/10 19:57, , 20F
提重建太早了吧 都還沒熟就要摘掉
09/10 19:57, 20F

09/10 20:17, , 21F
勇士年年都在講打教有問題,真的幾乎是年年
09/10 20:17, 21F

09/10 22:00, , 22F
剩下便宜老大是打教唯一解吧
09/10 22:00, 22F

09/10 22:21, , 23F
的確是幾乎年年在講打教的問題 但好像年年無解
09/10 22:21, 23F

09/10 22:24, , 24F
不會重建吧 一群年輕人才剛簽了複數年合約
09/10 22:24, 24F

09/10 22:33, , 25F
重建不會是好選項,而且不是說要有新家了? 至於重整
09/10 22:33, 25F

09/10 22:34, , 26F
的話,BJ應該是第一個要走的吧,但我們應該要吃很多
09/10 22:34, 26F

09/10 22:35, , 27F
讓Minor投好一點,搭一下就送出去了XD
09/10 22:35, 27F

09/10 22:35, , 28F
薪水,小聯盟也沒立即能接上CF先發的,如果因為BJ走
09/10 22:35, 28F

09/10 22:36, , 29F
導致JUp也不想留的話,他應該也是比較有賣相的,去
09/10 22:36, 29F

09/10 22:37, , 30F
包個平均水準的CF來先發,然後神將LF,C給Bethan?
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09/10 22:38, , 31F
投手部分就比較不擔心了,不受傷的話,就相信投教就
09/10 22:38, 31F

09/10 22:38, , 32F
好了
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09/10 22:51, , 33F
話說1999年和2003年的打教是誰?我印象中勇士這兩年
09/10 22:51, 33F

09/10 22:51, , 34F
的攻擊力較好!
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09/10 22:52, , 35F
應該是1998和2003
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09/10 23:01, , 36F
2003應該是Terry Pendleton...當年的超級火砲陣...
09/10 23:01, 36F

09/10 23:03, , 37F
98我記得是個很有名的 但名字記不起來XD
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09/10 23:05, , 38F
Pendleton在板上被罵多兇應該不用強調XD
09/10 23:05, 38F
還有 52 則推文
09/13 13:54, , 91F
我剛說的是用「高順位」選秀拿下核心球員,而國際牌
09/13 13:54, 91F

09/13 13:55, , 92F
的確靠這變成強隊,但離WS還是有段距離
09/13 13:55, 92F

09/13 13:55, , 93F
所以為什麼要去觀念?這大概是我們這種非本地球迷才
09/13 13:55, 93F

09/13 13:56, , 94F
會想要看到的,本地球迷看到觀念軍連進場都不想了
09/13 13:56, 94F

09/13 19:32, , 95F
老實說我覺得你設定的條件很奇怪啦,高順位的年輕球
09/13 19:32, 95F

09/13 19:32, , 96F
員+其他選秀+高價國際FA組成核心,然後再用FA來補洞
09/13 19:32, 96F

09/13 19:32, , 97F
本來就是中低預算球隊拼季後賽的常見方式。為什麼要
09/13 19:32, 97F

09/13 19:32, , 98F
設定只能用高順位來組核心?
09/13 19:32, 98F

09/13 19:36, , 99F
高順位球員養好了一個兩個的確就可以為球隊提供強大
09/13 19:36, 99F

09/13 19:36, , 100F
戰力,光芒當年靠著BJ, Longoria跟Price三隻搭配其
09/13 19:36, 100F

09/13 19:36, , 101F
他人不就闖進WS?
09/13 19:36, 101F

09/13 19:39, , 102F
巨人不就是靠Linceum, Posey, Bumgarner跟Cain拿下W
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09/13 19:39, , 103F
S?
09/13 19:39, 103F

09/13 19:40, , 104F
高順位高價戰力強的為中心,農場有不夠的就再去換去
09/13 19:40, 104F

09/13 19:40, , 105F
買,本來就很正常。
09/13 19:40, 105F

09/13 19:46, , 106F
要舉真的是可以舉的太多了,2000年前期的費人也是這
09/13 19:46, 106F

09/13 19:47, , 107F
樣搞,小熊也是靠Wood跟Prior打進NLCS. 你如果設定
09/13 19:47, 107F

09/13 19:47, , 108F
只靠高順位組成核心,不就代表一隻球隊只有第一輪
09/13 19:47, 108F

09/13 19:47, , 109F
能看,其他順位,國際選秀,FA跟交易都要吃屎。照這
09/13 19:47, 109F

09/13 19:47, , 110F
個邏輯當然球隊戰績不會好
09/13 19:47, 110F

09/13 19:55, , 111F
高順位新秀不是萬靈丹,但的確是可以讓球隊戰力大增
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09/13 19:55, , 112F
的方法
09/13 19:55, 112F

09/13 20:11, , 113F
真要照你的條件你選的國際牌也不是,Werth, LaRoche
09/13 20:11, 113F

09/13 20:11, , 114F
, Span, Gio跟Fister也都不是自己選的。
09/13 20:11, 114F

09/14 01:08, , 115F
提這條件是針對想打觀念球的朋友,您提的建隊方針
09/14 01:08, 115F

09/14 01:11, , 116F
是常見的,所以我很奇怪老是有人要提「觀念」
09/14 01:11, 116F

09/14 01:29, , 117F
我一開始就是對為什麼要觀念拿到高順位感到懷疑
09/14 01:29, 117F

09/14 08:06, , 118F
要不要放水或是一直輸是一回事,但是前面的選秀位置
09/14 08:06, 118F

09/14 08:06, , 119F
的確有很大的優勢。選到的新秀也不是只有高潛力,常
09/14 08:06, 119F

09/14 08:06, , 120F
常還是較成熟風險較小,甚至是即戰力的。而且在新
09/14 08:06, 120F

09/14 08:06, , 121F
的選秀規則下,選秀的順位還代表了選秀跟國際FA的
09/14 08:06, 121F

09/14 08:06, , 122F
簽約金可以花多少,還可以有機會抽到補償選秀,戰績
09/14 08:06, 122F

09/14 08:06, , 123F
爛的球隊更是佔有優勢。再加上戰績好的球隊簽FA不
09/14 08:06, 123F

09/14 08:06, , 124F
但會失去選秀權,還會失去那個slot可以花的金額。
09/14 08:06, 124F

09/14 08:15, , 125F
在以前的規則下核心球員是自己選來的前段簽就非常常
09/14 08:15, 125F

09/14 08:15, , 126F
見了,尤其在沒錢的球隊更是這樣。新規則跟更多的
09/14 08:15, 126F

09/14 08:15, , 127F
提前綁約會加深這個情況。
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09/14 09:31, , 128F
推文太多行請你直接回文.......QQ
09/14 09:31, 128F

09/14 11:20, , 129F
高順位的好處是這樣沒錯,但也是戰力編成的一部分
09/14 11:20, 129F

09/14 11:20, , 130F
我剛說過了,去期待高順位而觀念是一件很奇怪的事情
09/14 11:20, 130F
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