[翻譯] Different Process, Same Results for Andrelton Simmons

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Different Process, Same Results for Andrelton Simmons by Drew Fairservice - August 29, 2014 http://shar.es/1aXGPZ “With his defense, he doesn’t need to do much at the plate” is a common refrain heard in regards to the best defensive players in the game. Elite players at premium positions get a lot of rope, so valuable is their glove work. Especially at key, up-the-middle positions, the offensive bar is set so low that any contribution from the game’s best defenders can be considered a bonus. "金手套球員只要帶手套上班就好了,沒帶棒子沒關係。" 中線防守球員由於防守難度高,他們的手套更顯得值錢。也因此,他們在 進攻端的任何貢獻都算是額外的收穫。 In 2013, Andrelton Simmons was among the most productive players in baseball, thanks to his beyond-superlative defense. To the surprise of many, Simmons also slugged 17 home runs, offsetting his struggles to get on base to produce a nearly-league average season. His 91 wRC+ surpassed the average shortstop last season, which is a recipe for a successful season. If you hit better than most of the peers while definitely fielding better than most of your peers, you’re doing something right. 2013年,Andrelton Simmons 是聯盟中最有貢獻的球員之一,除了他經典般的防守, 令人訝異的,他還打了17發全壘打,稍稍彌補他略低於聯盟平均的上壘率,但他的 wRC+ 值為91,仍高於聯盟游擊手的平均水準(85),對 Simmons 而言這是個成功的 球季。如果你在攻守兩端都比你的競爭對手好,那就對了。 As 2014 began, Simmons and the Braves were clearly not content with his production levels and vowed to change him, to bring his swing under control and make him a more complete hitter. In June, Braves hitting coach Greg Walker explained to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that it was a matter of identity for Simmons, one he needed to adjust. “You’ve got to make a decision on what type hitter you want to be. Do you want to be low-average guy, a power guy, and deal with a lot of failure?” 當2014年球季開始,Simmons 與勇士球團顯然都不滿足於現況並決定做些改變: 要求他的揮棒,讓他變成更好的打者。勇士隊打擊教練 Greg Walker 在六月份 一篇AJC上的訪談當中曾提到,Simmons 必須有所調整,這對他很重要。 "你必須思考,你想成為哪一種類型的打者。難道你想成為一個低打擊率,空有力量, 最後只有失敗的球員嗎?" That quote comes from June, and now here on the doorstop of September the question remains mostly unanswered – what kind of hitter does Simmons want to be? It is clear what kind of hitter the Braves want him to be. Going pull-crazy and swinging out of his shoes is not their view of success for their prized shortstop. In the above-linked piece, Walker makes mention of Simmons ability to use the whole field in 2014, praising his contact skills. 只是這個問題從六月開始,到目前即將進入九月,Simmons 似乎還沒找到答案, 然而球團依舊採取既定目標。"我們不樂見我們的金手套游擊手一昧的全力拉擊, 這無法讓他獲得成功。Walker 提醒 Simmons:"在2014這整個球季裡,盡力去提昇 自己打到球的能力吧。" The process appears to be different but, for now, the results are all but the same. Comparing his numbers from 2013 to this campaign, the difference between Reckless Abandon Andrelton and Whole Field Andrelton is slight. 兩個不同的養成球季,但是目前結果似乎是一樣的。仔細觀察去年那個無拘無束的 Andrelton,與今年這個企圖改變的 Andrelton,兩人的成績幾乎相同。 Season BB% K% ISO AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ 2013 6.1 % 8.4 % .149 .248 .296 .396 .303 91 2014 6.3 % 9.6 % .099 .247 .294 .346 .282 77 Never one to strikeout much, Atlanta’s shortstop was the last regular player to register a K this season, though he’s tracked right back to the mark he set last season. The only real, observable difference in his game is the 50 points of extra base power missing right off his ISO. 三振都很少。雖然 Simmons 是今年勇士隊最後吞下老K的打者,各項成績仍然跟 去年差異不大。唯一明顯的,是他的純長打率掉了五個百分點。 Clearly, the Atlanta Braves are more than comfortable in trading off that sort of power now in exchange for a more complete hitter in the future. And to Simmons’ credit, the type of outs he’s made this year might be more appealing in a team context. One big change is a drop in his infield pop up rate, from 17.8% last season to 11.5% in 2014. The easiest of easy outs can be even more maddening than strikeouts from some perspectives. Simmons 在今年球季明顯的減少內野高飛必死球的比例,從去年的17.8%降到今年的 11.5%,有時候這種出局方式比三振更令人無法忍受。顯然勇士隊很滿意他目前做的 改變,而這情況也是球隊樂於見到的。 In addition to cutting his pop outs, Simmons has put himself into a higher percentage of hitters counts this season according to Baseball Reference – though he’s seeing fewer pitches per at bat. Whether it’s a matter of skill or randomness, he plated a much higher percentage of base runners from third base with less than two outs this year. As much as that looks like damning with faint praise, he deserves credit for doing the job asked of him by his coaches. 除了減少內野高飛必死球,Simmons 也嘗試在每次打擊時多看幾顆球,然而他還是 聯盟每次打擊只看最少球數的幾位球員之一。(編按:3.34,聯盟倒數第四) 今年他在三壘有人,不到兩出局時的打擊率有很明顯的提昇,(編按:2/19變成7/17) 這也許是一種隨機狀況,也可能是打擊技巧的成長。對於打擊教練的要求,他必須 做的更好,才能給對手更大的傷害。 Short of logical contortions like this, it remains difficult to suggest anything other than Simmons is a worse hitter now than he was last year. His numbers are down and, given our measures or production, he’s less valuable than he was before. The Braves see Simmons as one kind of hitter and are trying to help him become that guy. Their measures of production are different, not to mention their vision for his long-term viability. Nagging injuries popped up this season, perhaps sapping him of both some strength in his swing and range at short. Cutting down his swing might shave off a few home runs but it could keep him on the field more down the road. 只是目前還很難認定 Simmons 今年打得比去年還差。他今年的進攻數字是 掉了一點沒錯,看起來也不像去年那麼驚豔。勇士球團試著讓他往正確的 方向前進,儘管沒有提到他的未來會是什麼樣子,但很明顯的勇士球團他們的 判斷標準跟我們FanGraphs的有某種程度上的差異。這個球季 Simmons 像是有些 小毛病產生,例如揮棒少了點力量,游擊區的防守範圍也沒那麼大。控制他的 揮棒慾望也許會讓他少打一些全壘打,但也可能讓他未來的棒球路走得更成功。 There is a nagging part of me that wonders if the Braves aren’t making a mistake. The “what kind of hitter do you want to be?” questions seem rhetorical, as it appears clear what kind of hitter he is – an aggressive swinger with the ability to hit the ball out of the park. Health issues aside, why is that not good enough? 我覺得勇士球團似乎犯了個錯誤,難道他們沒發現"你想成為哪一種類型的打者?" 分明就是"他現在是那一種類型的打者!"一個積極進攻的球員,想把球打出場外, 沒有健康問題,難道這還不夠好嗎? In some ways, Simmons reminds me of J.J. Hardy. The Orioles shortstop isn’t as aggressive a swinger as the his Atlanta counterpart, but he makes the low walk, low strikeout, above-average pop thing work alongside his own defense-first brand of shortstop. While Hardy swings at far fewer pitches overall, they both boast contact rates well above league average. 從某些方面來看,Simmons 很像 J.J. Hardy。這位金鶯隊的游擊手雖然不像 Simmons 出棒這麼積極,但他也是三振與保送都很少,也同樣是游擊區的最佳防守者。 要是 Hardy 也像 Simmons 一樣積極出棒,應該都可以擊中比聯盟平均更多的球。 Perhaps the Braves don’t believe his power spurt in 2013 is an accurate reflection of his skills, that left to his own devices his power would dry up. His minor league track record certainly backs this assertion. Perhaps they view him as a leadoff hitter, a guy who can draw out at bats and set the table for the real power hitters down the order. Or maybe they’re just tired of watching him get himself out, overswinging early in the count at pitches he can’t much of anything with. 從 Simmons 的小聯盟成績來看,勇士球團並不認為他在2013球季所展現出來的長打 能力能確切反映出他的打擊技巧,未來可能會消失。他被定位成一個首棒打者,要能 觀察較多的球數並且有效攻擊。也許球隊只是不想看到他在球數尚淺之時就輕易出棒, 只換來一個出局數。 Just a few days short of his 25th birthday and with five more years on his existing contract, there is plenty of time for the Braves and their shortstop to figure out just who he is at the plate. With his incredible hand-eye coordination and powerful swing, there are plenty of options for both team and player as they try to turn the best defender in baseball into a consistent threat on both sides of the ball. 再過幾天 Simmons 即將滿25歲,而他還有五年的合約要跑(編按:應該是六年), 勇士球團仍有時間尋找他在打擊區上的定位。Simmons 擁有不可思議的手眼協調性, 以及強而有力的揮棒,他自己與球隊仍然可以繼續嘗試,怎麼把一個金手套球員, 進化成攻守兩端都能給予對手嚴重威脅的球員。 ---- 1.這篇文章雖然是三個星期前所發,西門也過完25歲生日了。不過看起蠻有意思的, 因此嘗試翻譯來跟各位版友討論看看。 2.先前討論過 Heyward 的問題,在兩個條件的前提之下,明年他應該能在打擊上 有所反彈:a.合約年到了 b.他也算是個老手了,為了自己下一份大約著想,想必 一定會卯起來打,提昇自己的打擊數字,難不成聯盟的各個總管,會因為他是超級 金手套而給他一張肥約嗎?簡單一點來想,假設今天你是個總管,你有一筆預算, 想要簽個外野手,你會先考慮 Justin Upton 還是 Jason Heyward? 如果他們兩個報價都一樣的話。 3.回到 Simmons 的問題,大家應該都知道西門是進了球隊才從投手轉職成游擊手, 在小聯盟歷練不到三年就上大聯盟了。第一個完整球季的表現令人印象深刻,球隊 也隨即送上一張七年大約。不過今年西門攻守兩端的確是比去年縮水很多,這種 情況是回歸正常呢,還是今年的成長狀況不如預期?撇開黑娃目前的情形,或許 我們更應該要注意西門這檔的投資獲利狀況吧。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.254.227.52 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Braves/M.1411024682.A.0FB.html

09/18 23:41, , 1F
我同意Simmons在防守端的貢獻度減少, 但是不認為
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09/18 23:41, , 2F
他的防守能力有所退步, 至少不像數字上顯示的差距那
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09/18 23:42, , 3F
麼大, 數字的衰退跟運氣有關係
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09/18 23:43, , 4F
進階防守數字的大幅度波動在每個球員上都很常見
09/18 23:43, 4F

09/18 23:45, , 5F
打擊姿勢的改變我認為沒有對他比較好, 反而更糟
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09/18 23:45, , 6F
當然這是以結果論來說
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09/19 01:25, , 7F
好文 推
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09/19 02:19, , 8F
防守看起來像是回歸正常 去年那種神樣般的防守不可
09/19 02:19, 8F

09/19 02:19, , 9F
能年年有 今年的防守能力依舊是聯盟前段班
09/19 02:19, 9F

09/19 02:21, , 10F
至於打擊 Simmons看起來是很有天份 不太了解球隊要
09/19 02:21, 10F

09/19 02:22, , 11F
怎麼培養他的打擊 如果照今年這種養法跟結果
09/19 02:22, 11F

09/19 02:23, , 12F
除了Simmons Bethacourt可能是下一個養壞的打者
09/19 02:23, 12F

09/19 09:01, , 13F
進階防守不管是哪一家的其實個別球員年間變動都很大
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09/19 09:02, , 14F
尤其是range跟外野手的arm, range其實好而且穩定防
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09/19 09:03, , 15F
守者普通守備機會每年不會有太大變動, 可是難接的
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09/19 09:03, , 16F
球本來就出現機率比較小, 哪年運氣有差, 少接或多接
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09/19 09:04, , 17F
一些, 還是今年投手比較爛, 被打得比較強, 可能就
09/19 09:04, 17F

09/19 09:04, , 18F
會有差別. Simmons今年在FG上的UZR/150是小退, 在
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09/19 09:05, , 19F
Bill James上面應該是少非常多, 不過除非是受傷或是
09/19 09:05, 19F

09/19 09:05, , 20F
因年齡造成的衰退, 不然通常都會恢復到一定水準
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09/19 09:06, , 21F
Simmons季初其實打的不錯, 有長打也能打反方向
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09/19 09:10, , 22F
這時候還是用他去年的打法; 後來就越打越差
09/19 09:10, 22F

09/19 09:10, , 23F
這一兩個月改開放式後就更爛了
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09/19 09:18, , 24F
Simmons季初真的打很好,不說還差點忘了
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09/19 09:45, , 25F
去年Simmons跟Parra都幫球隊守下41分, 今年兩個人
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09/19 09:46, , 26F
應該只有20分左右甚至不到...
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09/19 17:27, , 27F
只能祈禱換打擊教練了,看到Walker說的我都涼了...
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09/19 17:29, , 28F
好像看到台灣的只看打擊率的老派教練...冏rz
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