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[外電] Five Truths and a Lie About Turner

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新聞出處: http://ppt.cc/GFDd 作者:Gary Dzen When the word broke earlier this week that the Celtics had signed Evan Turner, C's fans raised a collective eyebrow before filing the news away in a pile of underwhelming offseason moves the team has made. Turner isn't the impact signing fans had hoped for when team owner Wyc Grousbeck promised "fireworks". He's not going to turn the franchise around, nor will he assuage a fan base increasingly resigned to a future without Kevin Love. There are a lot of things Evan Turner isn't, but there are five things he is (along with a myth about Turner) below. -- TRUTH: He's a former No. 2 overall pick 事實之一 他是榜眼順位 The Philadelphia 76ers selected Turner with the No. 2 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, behind budding star John Wall and ahead of guys who have since outplayed him, including Paul George, Greg Monroe, and Eric Bledsoe. It follows directly, then, that Turner has been a massive disappointment at that draft position. The Sixers, who have made it a habit of acquiring young talent, shipped Turner to Indiana for Danny Granger, a player who's never been the same since suffering a knee injury two seasons ago. No matter what you think of Turner, it's possible not to look at him through the lens of being a former No. 2 overall pick who hasn't lived up to his billing. It also means, of course, that the Celtics could be getting a deal on a guy who should play better. 他的順位 僅次於J.wall 還比Paul George, Greg Monroe, and Eric Bledsoe前面 -- TRUTH: He's inefficient 事實之二 他是低效的 Turner's traditional numbers are impressive enough for a typical NBA starter. He averaged 16.6 points in 81 games last season, numbers that would have been higher had he not been stuck on the bench in Indiana (21.1 minutes per game). Turner's 3.8 assists per game and 6.1 rebounds are also nothing to sniff at. Turner上季再76人時 17.4分 6板3.7助 溜馬時 上場時間縮至21.1分鐘 場均7.1分3.2板 2.4助攻 Where Turner struggles is getting the ball in the basket efficiently without having the ball in his hands. Deadspin described him as a "ball-pounding avatar of hopelessness. For his career, Turner has averaged 19.9 points per 100 possessions. For comparison, Jeff Green, who every Celtics fan loves to hate, has averaged 22.3 points per 100 possessions. The career usage rates of the two players is about the same, so Turner is doing less with the same amount of touches. Turner's career shooting percentage of .427 -- it dropped to .411 with the Pacers last year -- leaves much to be desired, especially for a guy who's not a perimeter threat. 他在籃下時 是個有效率的無球跑動者 在Turner的職業生涯中 每100次的進攻場均19.9分 相對於 J.green 每100回合進攻 場均22.3分 且到了溜馬時 命中率又有下降的趨勢 也不是一個好的外線威脅者 -- TRUTH: He's primarily a small forward 事實其三 他主要司職小前鋒 Indiana used Turner primarily at shooting guard last season, but you saw how well that worked out. For his career Turner has played 76 percent of the time at small forward, according to basketball reference. At 6-feet-7-inches, 205 pounds, he lacks the muscle of more traditional players at that position. 在Turner的生涯時間 76%都打小前鋒 但在nba6尺7吋的身高裡 他並沒有足夠的肌肉 應付該位置 -- TRUTH: He makes the roster kind of a mess 事實其四 他讓整個名單 更加混亂了 Colleague Brian Robb broke down the roster crunch the other day, but it's worth reexamining here since it's the No. 1 reason people were shaking their heads at the Turner signing. The Celtics have a lot of guys at the shooting guard and small forward positions who aren't particularly great shooters. Sticking Turner in at the small forward, he'll be competing for rotation time with Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace, and James Young. Green and Wallace figure to play big minutes, and you want to give the rookie some playing time, so where does that leave Turner? A move or two has to be in the works, right? 當一個球隊小前鋒擁有 Green G蛙 Turner 同時你也想給新秀 Young 一點時間 你要怎麼分配時間? -- TRUTH: He's probably not worth $10 million 事實其五 他可能不值年薪千萬 Like a good agent should, Falk's agent David Falk tells the Boston Herald he thinks his client could have gotten $10 million annually had he not been traded to Indiana last season. That's nonsense, of course, because the Sixers wouldn't have cut ties with Turner if they believed in him as much as his agent does. Turner isn't worth $10 million now, but would it surprise me if he became a player who was worth $10 million in a year or two? Absolutely not. -- LIE: He killed the Pacers last year 謊言 去年他的加入殺了溜馬 Evan Turner didn't kill the Pacers last season. The Pacers did it to themselves after starting the season 33-7 and going 23-19 the rest of the way. Much of their poor play occurred before Turner arrived, attributable to the brutal play of center Roy Hibbert, a plodding style, and the failure of Paul George to make the leap everyone assumed had already happened. Turner的加入 並不是溜馬失敗的原因 比較可以說是歸因於Roy Hibbert的失常 和Paul George失敗 A fistfight between Turner and volatile teammate Lance Stephenson was taken by some as a sign that Turner was trouble, but teams get tense all the time, and Turner doesn't have a reputation for poor behavior elsewhere. The video below of Turner's Ferrari running out of gas on the highway just about the only signs of off-court trouble we've seen from Turner in four seasons. 而Lance Stephenson與 Turner的打架的跡象表明 turner對他們來說或許成了個麻煩 但當溜馬球隊氛圍緊張時 TURNER 也並未展示出場外不好的行為(反倒是GEORGE有) ------------------ 看完這篇文章...的確對Steven的先發 跟輪替陣容捏一把冷汗阿... -- 每一段故事都有個胖子,Sully就是賽賽的那個胖子 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 182.155.70.42 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Celtics/M.1406481080.A.6C9.html ※ 編輯: sport0472001 (182.155.70.42), 07/28/2014 01:12:12
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07/28 01:15, , 1F
先發真的難排 還有全隊外線都不好..
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07/28 01:18, , 2F
RR AB 這兩個應該是比較確定能先發的
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小AB 去年3分有.395 小綠綠3分.341 貝爺.358
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07/28 01:20, , 5F
剩下可能是 Turner, Green, Sully, KO, Zeller 挑3個
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07/28 01:21, , 6F
Chris Johnson 三分.339 新同學Thornton.345
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turner三分勉強還有.321，其他都低於三成
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07/28 01:22, , 8F
外圍似乎火力真的偏弱
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07/28 01:44, , 9F
Zeller應該會先發吧
07/28 01:44, 9F
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07/28 01:45, , 10F
如果以三國來比擬的話 青賽現在就是一堆 廖化 王平
07/28 01:45, 10F
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07/28 01:45, , 11F
簡雍之流
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07/28 01:51, , 12F
我比較喜歡小喬
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07/28 01:53, , 13F
怎麼無視bass
07/28 01:53, 13F
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07/28 02:15, , 14F
哈哈去年Bass季初被無視 後來馬上回去
07/28 02:15, 14F
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07/28 02:19, , 15F
為什麼是AB先發不是我
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07/28 02:27, , 16F
我當然也希望是你啊
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07/28 02:27, , 17F
阿AB都簽8M了　還能怎麼辦呢
07/28 02:27, 17F
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07/28 02:28, , 18F
我不確定Bass會不會留@@a
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07/28 06:30, , 19F
滿滿的 不一不二 不二不三 不三不四 不四不五 的球員
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07/28 06:31, , 20F
全隊應該就隊長的位子是最固定的 其他都打兩個位子
07/28 06:31, 20F
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07/28 08:19, , 21F
其實也沒多穩，要是安吉收到極度可口的報價，還是會
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07/28 08:20, , 22F
上前吃餌(交易)，安吉就是這樣的人
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07/28 09:36, , 23F
先發應該是RR AB Green Sully Zeller ，全員練兵中！
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07/28 09:46, , 24F
我們需要第六人，Turner不見得是個壞選擇
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07/28 11:57, , 25F
不知道Fav能不能當一個合格的替補C
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07/28 11:58, , 26F
照之前文章看到的Zeller 似乎不太能硬打籃下/手短
07/28 11:58, 26F
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07/28 12:00, , 27F
要是Bass沒被賣掉，KO可能會去吃中鋒的一些時間
07/28 12:00, 27F
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07/28 12:01, , 28F
變能C's的中鋒，都軟軟的~好吃
07/28 12:01, 28F
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07/28 12:52, , 29F
他是有效率的無球跑動者嗎?? 是不是有錯啊
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07/28 13:12, , 30F
他會啊
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07/28 13:35, , 33F
還是該把Bass 和 G蛙等人都賣掉
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如果真要坦也要讓年輕人邊練邊坦
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07/28 13:36, , 35F
清掉G蛙和Bass 必要的話加上囧安 整個C's就年輕化了
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07/28 13:43, , 36F
G挖真的要清 不是不可 但要補一個精神領袖會比較好
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07/28 13:45, , 37F
溜馬清了 妙麗換來Turner 我們認為是一偷 沒想到妙麗
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07/28 13:45, , 38F
的實質影響是來得如此大
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Vitor傷還沒好，季初不一定趕上,開季應該會常看到囧
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07/28 19:32, , 40F
Turner可以打1~3號位置
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07/28 22:35, , 41F
不要囧安呀，我真的很不喜歡他
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07/29 11:40, , 42F
囧安乖乖守開特力就好
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希望這季不要再讓AB當頭號得分箭頭了....
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有了Turner和Smart這麼多的得分選擇
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以前在AB身上實驗 有哪一項是成功的?
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07/29 16:06, , 46F
轉練PG->結果PP傳給他，比他傳給PP還多
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練運球->都過那麼久，現在還是在練運球
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得分->似乎有變成小鐵匠的趨勢，投籃選擇性頗差
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老實說，也很佩服AB 6'2 要在比自己高的人面前打球
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AB投籃選擇差一方面也是因為找不到人傳吧XD
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07/29 18:49, , 51F
他要是場上視野+傳球能力夠好 球也不用一直在豆子手
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07/29 18:50, , 52F
上 他基本上不是空切的話就是直接接到球就投
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07/29 18:51, , 53F
猶豫只會更慘而已囧 只能希望他繼續提升準度了
07/29 18:51, 53F
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07/29 19:57, , 54F
AB就是投籃選擇差，但是準度是有的
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07/29 19:58, , 55F
AB最特別的地方就是，一般球員傳球後拉開空間的動作
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07/29 19:59, , 56F
通常是會跑開到三分線外，AB則是滿愛留在三分線內..
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07/29 20:00, , 57F
而且只要他那球決定要投的話，就是非常果斷
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07/29 20:01, , 58F
無論防守者有沒有失位，只要想投就一定投掉
07/29 20:01, 58F
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07/29 20:02, , 59F
不過他有練起定點投籃和底線空手切，RR就會找到他
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07/29 20:09, , 60F
有好有壞...只要AB能把命中率提升起來...那絕對是好
07/29 20:09, 60F
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07/29 20:20, , 61F
不能自行創造進攻機會 AB 43.8%的FG%整個糟糕
07/29 20:20, 61F
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07/29 20:22, , 62F
當然豆子上季復出的命中率也是相當悽慘XD
07/29 20:22, 62F
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07/29 20:23, , 63F
後場要繼續RR+AB的組合的話 只能繼續期待投籃開竅XD
07/29 20:23, 63F
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07/29 23:24, , 64F
Smart的投籃也頗囧
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07/30 17:44, , 65F
Smart如果有聯盟愛的話，他的打法可以靠犯規:p
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07/30 17:44, , 66F
其實Rondo也做得到，直接進攻籃框，但他對助攻的愛..
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07/30 18:13, , 67F
smart真的蠻壯的...真的可以打要飯mode
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07/30 18:26, , 68F
James Young 把頭髮剃光了
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覺得有點可惜...　感覺那是他的特色之一@@
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