[外電] Making the case for trading Rondo

看板Celtics (波士頓 塞爾提克)作者 (Yummy)時間11年前 (2014/12/13 10:53), 編輯推噓30(30064)
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新聞出處(必填): http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/12/8/7352305/making-the-case-for-trading-rondo 作者: 全文不錯看 在這放上自已個人也很有同意的段落 4. You think the Celtics / Brad Stevens are better suited for a point guard with a different skillset. Rondo fit really well with the Big 3. His skillset as a passer makes him the ideal point guard to work with a set of elite veteran scorers, especially those who are exceptional jumpshooters or who have size to catch a lob pass and finish inside. What's more, Rondo is a reluctant scorer, a guy who will always pass up a layup in favor of finding a teammate with an open look at a jumpshot. Ideally, Rondo is a maestro, the guy leading the orchestra and helping the musicians shine, rarely taking the spotlight for himself. rondo適合在得分非常有效率或是得分手段非常多的隊友,在這邊舉例了Big 3時代,也說 明了rondo本身只想傳球,而不想去得分的特質 The current iteration of the Celtics is much different than those Big 3 teams. By necessity, the scoring is spread out more, and the team as a whole -- at Brad Stevens's direction -- has been geared toward sharing the ball and letting the development of a play dictate where the ball goes, rather than having any one individual player directing everything. 而目前的celtics已經不像big 3時期的球隊 在Stevens的體系,每個球員學會製造球的流動 並且能成功finish一次進攻,而不是ISO於個別有進攻天份球員的模式 Rondo wouldn't seem to be the best fit for that system, especially since it places such an emphasis on nearly everybody on the floor having the ability to take and make an open jumpshot. What's more, that "keep the ball moving and find the open man" thing tends to break down late in games when the other team really clamps down on defense, and those times are when the team really needs a guy who can take the ball and do whatever it takes to generate key baskets in the last few possessions of the game. Rondo is not a great fit for that role, either It's possible, therefore, that a person could think that the Celtics would be a more competitive team with a point guard who has a bit more versatile offensive skillset, particularly the ability to hit threes, create his own shot, and also attack the paint and get to the free throw line (and sink free throws) at least a few times a night -- especially in the final few minutes of a close game. In that case, you might agree that it makes sense to trade Rondo, even if the replacement isn't the phenomenal passer that Rondo is. Rondo很明顯不適合在這個要求每個球員有能力make an open jumpshot體系 有rondo,進攻上就等於用4個人去打5個人的球隊 常看到rondo一個人運球由中路快攻靠近罰球線一步左右,然後選擇往外傳給外面的空檔 球員, 雖然有空檔,但是投射距離比rondo原本適合投射距離更遠。如果是rondo此時換成Chris paul,除了可以急停跳投,還可以切入得分甚至買犯規上罰球線,而不像rondo只有往外 傳的一個選擇 能製造對方犯規真的很重要,能打亂對方球隊的防守 尤其在本身球隊碰上無法得分的撞牆期,又能慢慢累積得分,咬住比賽.這點讓人想到 James harden. --今天跟kincks的比賽實在讓人無言 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.78.92.92 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Celtics/M.1418439183.A.F41.html

12/13 10:54, , 1F
自己上啊 哀
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12/13 10:55, , 2F
如果能夠用Green換來舞王 我覺得可以嘗試賣Rondo
12/13 10:55, 2F

12/13 10:56, , 3F
然後把Bass交易出去 多練個兩年應該ok吧
12/13 10:56, 3F

12/13 10:59, , 4F
如果要賣Rondo AB將會被邊緣化 他根本Rondo專武...
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12/13 10:59, , 5F
WHO is 五王..Lance stephsaon?
12/13 10:59, 5F

12/13 11:00, , 6F
偏偏他今年才簽了新約...
12/13 11:00, 6F

12/13 11:01, , 7F
RR實在太極端,好的時候大家好,不好的時候一起爛
12/13 11:01, 7F

12/13 11:01, , 8F
就位置上AB還是算PG 我們實在不需要三個先發控衛
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12/13 11:02, , 9F
AB可以邊練進攻 邊等Smart成長起來
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12/13 11:02, , 10F
哈,,那就看AB能不能練成richard hamilton~
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12/13 11:03, , 11F
ET去打SF Sully看來還是要練 C就看能不能在選秀找了
12/13 11:03, 11F

12/13 11:06, , 12F
Vítor Faverani如果康復回來,可以試試看
12/13 11:06, 12F

12/13 11:22, , 13F
TZ應該比Fav好用吧…
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12/13 11:24, , 14F
打不好就要賣rondo... 今天幾球超好妙傳放槍的...
12/13 11:24, 14F

12/13 11:25, , 15F
Fav回來也是從板凳深處開始打起 他去年連NBA的犯規
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12/13 11:26, , 16F
尺度都還沒摸清就受傷了 對他是不期不待啦
12/13 11:26, 16F

12/13 11:29, , 17F
Smart還沒有明顯能接手的情況下,丟掉Rondo至少要拿
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12/13 11:30, , 18F
回2支首輪+1名年輕潛力才能談,不過C's的選秀權太多
12/13 11:30, 18F

12/13 11:31, , 19F
也不是辨法,不可能每年加入2~3個以上要養的菜鳥
12/13 11:31, 19F

12/13 11:32, , 20F
要就要想辨法衝個大物...否則會變農場
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12/13 11:33, , 21F
除此之外,除非拿到前段的選秀 否則後段的1輪籤也只
12/13 11:33, 21F

12/13 11:33, , 22F
是抽福袋 還是希望RR能自己皮繃緊 帶球隊打出新氣象
12/13 11:33, 22F

12/13 13:04, , 23F
算同意一半,應該說Rondo適合能空檔不放槍的球員 XD
12/13 13:04, 23F

12/13 13:04, , 24F
其實Rondo跟CP3那類型控衛的差別就在本身的得分能力
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12/13 13:05, , 25F
不夠好,不夠好就算了連罰球也差,但除此之外,他
12/13 13:05, 25F

12/13 13:06, , 26F
能做到的完全不比其他控衛來的差及少
12/13 13:06, 26F

12/13 13:09, , 27F
沒計算,但Rondo每場找到的空檔其實不少,只是隊友
12/13 13:09, 27F

12/13 13:10, , 28F
都沒把握住而已
12/13 13:10, 28F

12/13 13:11, , 29F
賣了會比較好?
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12/13 13:13, , 30F
會不會比較好只有老天知道XD 但不管如何 交易就是不
12/13 13:13, 30F

12/13 13:13, , 31F
能吃虧!
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12/13 13:39, , 32F
老尖好強喔
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12/13 13:39, , 33F
希望咱們小羊也能養出這種心臟
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12/13 14:45, , 34F
我對Rondo最大的期望就是找回防守,不要守一休三= =
12/13 14:45, 34F

12/13 15:24, , 35F
中後段首輪不見得選不到好貨..13年精華都是中後段
12/13 15:24, 35F

12/13 15:27, , 36F
不過像今年本來號稱選秀強年,結果跟Ainge講得一樣
12/13 15:27, 36F

12/13 15:28, , 37F
平心而言,反而是算很弱的一年
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12/13 15:29, , 38F
目前為止還沒有新秀有超級新人的表現...
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12/13 15:31, , 39F
前10順位只有Wiggins和Parker上場時間還算穩定
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12/13 15:32, , 40F
整体來說都還在磨...即戰力少之又少
12/13 15:32, 40F

12/13 15:58, , 41F
這梯本來就沒啥即戰力啦 選秀前就知道了
12/13 15:58, 41F

12/13 15:59, , 42F
多數都要磨 幾年後再來評價較公平
12/13 15:59, 42F

12/13 22:50, , 43F
說公平也奇怪,當初LBJ為首的03梯 好幾個就是即戰力
12/13 22:50, 43F

12/13 22:51, , 44F
當時的03梯可沒像這梯一樣,滿天鋪地的大肆宣揚
12/13 22:51, 44F

12/13 22:52, , 45F
就以過三分之一來看,安吉是對的
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12/13 22:58, , 46F
時代不同了~LBJ當時網路沒有現在興盛阿~
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12/13 22:58, , 47F
當年一季要看一場C's的轉播都很難...
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12/13 23:56, , 48F
2003年~2014年整個環境變遷很大...
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12/13 23:57, , 49F
而我所為的公平是指這群新秀真正該有的評價 而不是
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12/13 23:57, , 50F
媒體冠上去的虛名
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12/14 00:19, , 51F
$$$
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12/14 00:29, , 52F
Bennett最衰吧 我覺得是騎士的錯
12/14 00:29, 52F

12/14 00:36, , 53F
騎士當初後場有 年輕的厄文、服務生,不會想要在養
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12/14 00:37, , 54F
一個需要球權的Ola,怕互斥...結果選了A.Bennett
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12/14 00:38, , 55F
讓其他29隊 傻眼的決定,爽到魔術
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12/14 00:39, , 56F
我誤會bgp大 的意思了,抱歉
12/14 00:39, 56F

12/14 00:43, , 57F
既然後衛不用選 那就選一個前場
12/14 00:43, 57F

12/14 00:44, , 58F
看看當初前六順位的 Cody Zeller 身體對抗沒那麼好
12/14 00:44, 58F

12/14 00:45, , 59F
Alex Len,未選先受傷,今年才站穩輪值
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12/14 00:46, , 60F
Nerlens Noel,受傷 連太陽都不敢收,今年才復出
12/14 00:46, 60F

12/14 00:47, , 61F
Otto Porter打SF,當時騎士SF 是Gee屬於厄文的朋黨
12/14 00:47, 61F

12/14 00:48, , 62F
通常有一定的水平的加上跟當家球星是同一邊
12/14 00:48, 62F

12/14 00:49, , 63F
如果沒重大缺失 是不會被交易的,為了厄文爽度
12/14 00:49, 63F

12/14 00:50, , 64F
為了厄文能在季末順利簽約
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12/14 00:52, , 65F
更低順位不用看,然後就會發現A.Bennett 其實很好了
12/14 00:52, 65F

12/14 00:53, , 66F
只是A.Bennett 傷癒復出後 變胖,身體太久沒打球
12/14 00:53, 66F

12/14 00:53, , 67F
導致前幾個月都被當笑話...
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12/14 00:54, , 68F
我的意思是說 Bennett選前的預測並不在#1這麼前面
12/14 00:54, 68F

12/14 00:55, , 69F
但是騎士選他 導致他要背負著狀元的輿論壓力
12/14 00:55, 69F

12/14 00:55, , 70F
當然事後諸葛說騎士究竟該選誰其實也不太好
12/14 00:55, 70F

12/14 00:56, , 71F
我知道呀,可是攤開整個選秀名單+騎士當時陣容
12/14 00:56, 71F

12/14 00:57, , 72F
當時騎士的PF還有TT正在養 我覺得跟AB有點重疊
12/14 00:57, 72F

12/14 00:59, , 73F
A.Bennett 算是個不三不四的球員
12/14 00:59, 73F

12/14 01:00, , 74F
制服組不夠力,就這樣,哪有選秀在看球員臉色的
12/14 01:00, 74F

12/14 01:01, , 75F
AB現在在灰狼過得蠻好 也較少媒體壓力了 祝福他囉
12/14 01:01, 75F

12/14 01:02, , 76F
怕厄文不爽續約,克城又會沒有球星吧
12/14 01:02, 76F

12/14 01:03, , 77F
看看LAL與kobe的關係,當家是一位球星的重要
12/14 01:03, 77F

12/14 01:04, , 78F
他在灰狼上場時間有一搭沒一搭的 主要還是防守太破
12/14 01:04, 78F

12/14 01:04, , 79F
戰績很爛,還是會有人 為了球星買票看球
12/14 01:04, 79F

12/14 01:18, , 80F
就不夠力阿,夠力還怕他閃人,要走就交易阿,反正
12/14 01:18, 80F

12/14 01:19, , 81F
又不是沒買家;反正怕新人換約走人是很奇怪的事,
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12/14 01:20, , 82F
母隊有鳥權,頂薪也開下去了,KI還不滿就代表這傢伙
12/14 01:20, 82F

12/14 01:20, , 83F
沒有為球隊打算,這很怪,又不是說像MONROE那樣拿
12/14 01:20, 83F

12/14 01:21, , 84F
QO就是要高薪死不留活塞,拿KI當理由我覺得很不充分
12/14 01:21, 84F

12/14 01:23, , 85F
其他隊是沒有辦法開比母隊更高價的,KI真會因為一個
12/14 01:23, 85F

12/14 01:25, , 86F
選秀決定離隊,這實在是很沒道理的說法,GM被開除
12/14 01:25, 86F

12/14 01:25, , 87F
我想也是合理,反正總有人要負責,就算是老闆的錯
12/14 01:25, 87F

12/14 14:07, , 88F
13梯最好的球員是Adetokoubo,愈來愈明顯...
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12/14 14:10, , 89F
選秀實在很難預測,Ainge都曾飛去觀察他還是放掉
12/14 14:10, 89F

12/14 14:11, , 90F
選不到的話,給你再多選秀權也沒用
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12/15 10:13, , 91F
字母哥 希臘KD,太瘦 似乎不太耐撞
12/15 10:13, 91F

12/15 10:14, , 92F
籃球智商真的很好,錯位進攻都很能把握
12/15 10:14, 92F

12/15 12:17, , 93F
以前也有一個全明星大前鋒很瘦也很會飛很會跑...
12/15 12:17, 93F

12/15 12:17, , 94F
那人叫做kevin garnett....
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