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這是一篇指責不該讓Bogans當先發的文章沒有要針對 Bogans的意思而是希望讓Korver, Brewer先發的或是把Bogans的20分鐘上場分給Watson, JJ甚至 Kyle Weaver 文章還討論公牛要擺脫上升的尼克或是還算強大的老鷹隊也許在Dec 15以前可以想辦法拿到一個好SG 然後Feb 15在拿到一個全明星球員而且是在不要交易Taj的情況之下最終才有可能跟魔術或是Celtics在季後賽抗衡不然就一定要讓JJ多磨練或是CJ跟Asik 看看S. Brown的成功例子因為光要仰仗目前三個超時打球的先發陣容 (Rose 38.3, Noah 37.4 & Deng 38.8,都在全NBA前15) 第二輪碰到那一隊都難打 http://tinyurl.com/2a39gc7 原文與討論其他人回文討論的內容也值得一看 Mark Deeks on 12.09.10 at 5:40 PM There is no great mystery to the fact that the Bulls always like to have at least one extremely marginal talent on their roster at any one time. It has been this way since the day John Paxson moved from behind the mic to behind the desk. And it will continue to be this way for the foreseeable future. It seems silly on the surface, yet it is a trend commonplace amongst the NBA today. Indeed, it is often the case that teams who don't do it seem to struggle. For reasons not immediately obvious on the court, but instead for those seemingly extremely obvious off of it, there always exists a pool of NBA players with minimal talent, skill and athleticism, who nevertheless can churn out careers far in excess of those with the greater physical tools and ball skills. They hunt in packs and are more stubborn than a particularly combative donkey. Kudos to them, of course. It should not disparaging to cite such players as successes; after all, they must be doing something right. If they survive and thrive longer than those with more overtly obvious talent, then that is to their credit. If Antoine Walker is not in the NBA, but Brian Cardinal is, then it's Antoine who needs to change something. A lot of teams subscribe to this clique. Jason Collins, a man with absolutely no statistical impact on the game, is currently a starter in Atlanta. His twin brother Jarron is also in the NBA, signed with the Clippers. The aforementioned Brian Cardinal is with Dallas, Anthony Carter and Melvin Ely are with Denver, Tony Battie is a Sixer, Brian Skinner is with Milwaukee, and Malik Allen is still going, now with Orlando. Like Bogans, all those players signed new contracts this summer; like Bogans, all are past 30 and relying more on know-how than ability. That's.......fine. But that doesn't mean you have to start those players. The team that brought you Randy Livingston, Lindsey Hunter, Malik Allen, Corie Blount, Chris Richard, Linton Johnson, Eric Piatkowski, two separate helpings of Adrian Griffin, Kendall Gill, Antonio Davis, Lawrence Funderburke, P.J. Brown, Othello Harrington and Rick Brunson have once again played to their strengths, and provided two more NBA veterans of negligible ability in Keith Bogans and Brian Scalabrine. If you wish to add Kurt Thomas as well, they added three. The trio are on the roster, not so much to play, but more to provide leadership, wisdom and stability, an absolutely rock solid theory were it not for one small problem. The problem being that one of them plays. A lot. Keith Bogans has always had an extraordinary knack for receiving playing time that should not rightly be his own. Only once in his career to date has he played less that 1,200 regular season minutes in a single season, and he arrived in Chicago with 227 career starts to his name, including 50 last season with the San Antonio Spurs. He started ahead of Manu Ginobili that year, and while that in itself is not a statement that the Spurs thought he was better than Manu - think Chris Duhon over Ben Gordon, but with considerably less grey area - it nevertheless shows Bogans's frankly scintillating staying power. With a 7.7 PER, Bogans churned out 1,614 minutes. On a team that had other options. And which really should have known better. At best, you can say that Keith Bogans does not hurt the team significantly. He does not take bad shots, and nor does he commit a huge amount of turnovers, with only 14 on the season. Bogans keeps his foul rates down to acceptable levels, does not take contested shots, and, with the exception of last night, generally rotates correctly on defense. Unless you're Amir Johnson and you're setting a screen, it's hard to make mistakes when you're not allowed to touch the ball. And Keith Bogans does not make mistakes. This does not sparkle, however, in light of the fact that he plays 20 minutes per game. It is not possible to argue that Bogans is more productive in those 20 minutes than the other possible options, for the simple reason that Bogans is not productive. In theory, he is the decently sized defensive-minded two guard with an outside shot who alleviates pressure from Derrick Rose on both ends of the court. In practice, however, he shoots 28% on wide open three pointers and plays thoroughly mediocre defense. You cannot be a floor spacing outside shooting threat if you don't hit outside shots, and Bogans has never been a particularly good outside shooter. And you can't (or shouldn't) be a defensive role player unless you are a noticably above average defensive player. Bogans, therefore, is not exactly filling a hole. This is fairly overpoweringly obvious, to be blunt, which makes the fact that the situation continues rather bizarre. There exists a role on this team for Bogans, if he were to serve as a mistake-free veteran depth option, roles similarly occupied by Scalabrine and Thomas. If and when injuries, fouls or bad play necessitate turning to the deep bench and looking for stability, you could do a lot worse than those three. Their physical tools have gone, and were never particularly good to begin with, yet they all know what to do. That counts for a lot. That role, however, is not the one Bogans is in. Whereas Scalabrine and Thomas have combined to play only 77 minutes all season - an impressively low amount considering the injuries to Carlos Boozer and Taj Gibson - Bogans has already played 399. That number is seventh on the team, 108 more than C.J. Watson, 294 more than James Johnson, and only 14 less than Ronnie Brewer. Those three would all better options. Kyle Korver would be a fourth. In the aftermath of the free agency anti-climax, the Bulls were lauded for the depth they had assembled. And rightly so. Few teams have backup point guard and power forward options better than Watson and Gibson, and, as a tenth man, you could do far worse than James Johnson. It is this depth that has given the team a decent 12-8 record, surviving the league's hardest schedule thus far with little embarassment and much encouragement. It makes little sense, therefore, that such depth is underused. The Bulls have three players that rank in the top 15 in the league in minutes per game - incredibly, the fragile Luol Deng is sixth in the league at 39.3 minutes per game. Reasons for this can be found - Boozer's injury leading to more power forward minutes for Deng, Watson's early struggles, Thibodeau's possible reliance on his starters in his coaching infancy, Noah's unrelenting awesomeness - yet the numbers seem excessive anyway. Chicago's depth is legitimate. C.J. Watson hasn't performed especially well in a limited role; instead, he's shone when given the chance to dominate the ball amongst the starters and told to do his best impression of a 34 year old Derrick Rose. Ronnie Brewer did not start especially well, hindered by injury, yet has ramped it up into the important contributor he was paid to me. Just last night, Brewer posted 8 points, 8 rebounds, 6 steals and 3 assists, having a remarkably positive impact for a guard who can't dribble or shoot. Taj Gibson is the league's best backup power forward, and Omer Asik's Joel Przybilla impression is off to a decent start. Whether you would prefer to start Korver or Brewer at two guard is up to you. There are valid arguments for both; Doug has already made the Korver argument, and Sam Smith chimed in today with the view of the Brewer camp. I personally favour Korver, and have done since he was signed - you could even run the Watson/Rose backcourt out there at times. It happened yesterday. Either way, you can't really lose. This is not the case with continuing to start Keith Bogans. It is not Bogans's fault that this situation has arisen; he does his best, and doesn't try to do things that he is not capable of doing. Indeed, this is his main virtue. He doesn't deserve blame for being overplayed, despite the forced Jackson Five reference in the title of this article. Hell, we've all applied for jobs we know we are underqualified for, and Bogans has been able to snag one. Repeatedly. So good for him. But it must be somebody's fault that we have wound up in a situation where a token starter plays comparable minutes to his superior backups. It doesn't really solve anything, and mitigates the laudable depth available elsewhere. Ronnie Brewer and Kyle Korver have their flaws. Neither has an average off-the-dribble game, and while Brewer is a significantly weak outside shooter, Korver is comparably bad at isolation wing defense. Yet both provide positive impacts on the game, regardless their flaws. Even James Johnson does that, albeit interspersed with the kind of mistakes that make you want to temporarily restrain an angle grinder with your face. But Keith Bogans, save for that one game against the Thunder, does not do this. Thibodeau's explanation for Bogans's continued starting seems to be that at the moment, incorporating one new starter is enough. This, too, is fine. But it doesn't explain why Bogans was starting in the first place, or why his role as a starter had not been addressed prior to Boozer's return. And to be honest, what's so difficult about replacing Keith Bogans's role? The Bulls have options here, and are overdue in using them. They have multiple players capable of playing and doing more, alongside some players needing to play and do less. The opening to the season has been encouraging and peppered with good quality wins, doubly impressive feats when considered alongside the hole in the line-up created by Boozer's injury, and the far from complete integration of both the offensive and defensive schemes. The overall talent level has been strong, and it's this that carried the team through its toughest stretch of schedule. But the good start could have been better. With only 240 minutes in any available game, misappropriating 20 of them could be costly. To that end, start Kyle Korver. Or start Ronnie Brewer. Just don't start Keith Bogans any more. Frankly, there is no point. At the very least, if the Bulls not going to use him other than as a last resort, James Johnson should go to the D-League while he still can. If we're looking for a versatile athletic wing player, Johnson is it; he can shoot, drive, lead the break, pass, and play good help defense. He is prone to painfully bad mistakes, but the problems he has puting his talents to good use don't appear to be anything that can't be ironed out. And the best way to do that is to get him playing. Lest we forget - a young Keith Bogans made mistakes too. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 131.193.195.152 ※ 編輯: eertllams 來自: 131.193.195.152 (12/14 04:54)