[外電] Bulls and Pistons part two, go get Charlie Villanueva

看板ChicagoBulls (芝加哥 公牛)作者 (B.Lee)時間14年前 (2011/06/02 17:49), 編輯推噓13(13017)
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Bulls and Pistons part two, go get Charlie Villanueva 資料來源: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2011/06/bulls-and-pistons-part-two-go-get-charlie-villanueva.html 作者:Doug Thonus 作者昨日寫了一篇關於活塞與公牛之間的看法,在今天PART2產生了XD,箭頭朝向了 Charlie Villanueva,讓我們繼續看下去。 I wrote yesterday about how the Bulls could potentially take on some extra salary in a deal that improves their team considerably. The Bulls are close enough to a title at this point that they should actively be looking to add large amounts of salary that also adds talent in an effort to improve their roster. The new CBA might impact that decision a little bit, but I find it highly likely that the NBA doesn't go to a hard cap system and that Reinsdorf, if he wants to, will still be able to ramp up his payroll Lakers style to attempt to win. Besides trading for Ben Gordon, here's another idea what we could work out with the Pistons. Detroit trades Charlie Villanueva + future protected pick for C.J. Watson and John Lucas and Jannero Pargo. The Bulls basically save the Pistons the majority of Villanueva's salary with this move as the only guaranteed guy on the books is Watson, who's only guaranteed for this season which saves the Pistons around 21 million dollars. As incentive for doing so, the Pistons give the Bulls a future protected pick, the protection would likely be negotiable, but we'll say lotto protected for 2-3 years, possibly with some declining protection, and eventually unprotected. Granted, we could hope to get the #8 pick in this deal, perhaps by throwing back Taj Gibson, but they probably aren't saving enough money in the trade to make them want to do that and adding Taj Gibson for the #8 might be a tough sell to fans. Charlie Villanueva's a bad contract but we could use him One thing the Bulls don't have on this roster is a plethora of scorers. Villanueva's a scorer, and more importantly, he fills the role of stretch four. He has legitimate three point range, and he could provide a much different look for our offense than it's presently capable of doing. Because CV can create his own shot and shoot from beyond the arc, he gives the Bulls a much different look. Now when the Bulls space the floor in a Rose/Korver/Deng/CV/Noah lineup, you really have three guys on the perimeter who can knock down the three point shot and a guy to attack the rim for an ally oop / get offensive boards when Rose drives. Granted, Villanueva's unlikely to get any defensive awards which won't amp Thibs up too much, but it's not always possible to pick up two way players. Villanueva with all his warts provides the Bulls with an offensive matchup advantage against many players that they don't have right now. He allows them to spread the offense in a way they can't spread it right now, and he can likely be obtained while improving our draft status simply by taking on extra salary. This trade also offers up flexibility to move a front court piece The Bulls are really loaded defensively in the front court with Big Sexy (if he returns), Joakim, Asik, and Taj. There have been a number of trade ideas involving Taj Gibson to improve the SG position, but our fears of a Boozer injury and love for Taj make executing those ideas scary. Adding a role player like CV to the roster gives the Bulls the depth to trade one of their defensive stalwarts in the front court as the minutes would be awfully crowded there without a trade. Perhaps a Taj + picks for OJ Mayo is the follow up deal in this scenario, and if Mayo is unavailable, I'm sure I can exhaust the SG option trades over the course of the summer. The primary point is, adding CV to the team gives the Bulls depth to deal out of, and moving one of our defensive oriented big man while bringing in CV might actually give the front court a better mix of options to employ with multiple defenders and multiple offensive players to utilize. Will Thibs go with it? The question I'd have in this case would be "Is Tom Thibodeau interested in a one dimensional stretch four?" I don't know the answer to that. It's certainly plausible that Thibodeau doesn't think the value of having Villanueva in as a stretch four would ever exceed what he's allowing on the defensive end. Of course, we do play Carlos Boozer, so Thobideau apparently is willing to late some poor defensive guys play if they can score the ball (as he should). Overall, Villanueva's not the best guy out there, but this is a trade that would help Chicago in the short term, open up other trade possibilities by adding depth, and improve their long term positioning in the draft (or allow for other trade options). -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 218.170.16.122

06/02 19:41, , 1F
大意是CV+pick <> watson,pargo,lucas. 借助cv的投射能力
06/02 19:41, 1F

06/02 19:43, , 2F
可以排出Rose/KK/Deng/CV/Noah,拉開空間. 不過cv的防守..
06/02 19:43, 2F

06/02 19:45, , 3F
而且整篇還要再搭配把Gibson交易出去 那禁區的防守一下
06/02 19:45, 3F

06/02 19:46, , 4F
又弱了不少 所以這篇的comments當中批評不少XD
06/02 19:46, 4F

06/02 20:05, , 5F
身為一個活塞迷我必須要說......有眼光!!
06/02 20:05, 5F

06/02 21:23, , 6F
他不是也很貴 不是有BOO了 再找一個有意義嗎
06/02 21:23, 6F

06/02 21:57, , 7F
如果只用Watson+垃圾群 能換來 是沒意見 但配上Gibson就不送了
06/02 21:57, 7F

06/02 21:59, , 8F
說他貴 倒是還好 7~8百萬 有個高砲塔 也算有另類進攻武器
06/02 21:59, 8F

06/02 22:00, , 9F
不過要高砲塔 魔術的Ryan Anderson會是更廉價好用的選擇
06/02 22:00, 9F

06/02 22:01, , 10F
我寧願要太陽的Frye @@ 更準
06/02 22:01, 10F

06/02 22:03, , 11F
Frye 5~6百萬 是不貴 但還有5年約要走喔 這會影響續約
06/02 22:03, 11F

06/02 22:05, , 12F
連續有關跟活塞的交易 說真的 活塞球員 我沒幾個看得上眼的
06/02 22:05, 12F

06/02 22:07, , 13F
Monroe 高砲塔Daye 以及"買斷後"的Rip 是唯3想要的球員
06/02 22:07, 13F

06/02 23:56, , 14F
配上Gibson是她說這樣的話還會有後續的交易
06/02 23:56, 14F

06/03 02:39, , 15F
CV 比較多才多藝
06/03 02:39, 15F

06/03 02:41, , 16F
公牛防守夠好了 或許需要多替補一個得分點
06/03 02:41, 16F

06/03 08:19, , 17F
我個人還是覺得補個厲害的SG就好,沒道理把新人練強
06/03 08:19, 17F

06/03 08:19, , 18F
然後再送給人家當即戰力
06/03 08:19, 18F

06/03 09:31, , 19F
賠上gibson得要考慮boozer傷病史 而且公牛是缺sg
06/03 09:31, 19F

06/03 09:32, , 20F
補Villanueva對公牛幫助不大 公牛是得分輸熱火 不是防守
06/03 09:32, 20F

06/03 09:33, , 21F
而且拿好物來贊助同組的球隊 倒不如拿去西區換煤油
06/03 09:33, 21F

06/03 09:43, , 22F
Howard Not Interested In Signing Two-Year Extension
06/03 09:43, 22F

06/03 09:44, , 23F
看來明年暑假魔獸可能會離隊 公牛還是把taj留著等dh交易
06/03 09:44, 23F

06/03 10:33, , 24F
玫瑰牛大 您誤會我意思了 他說把Gibson交易出去 是說
06/03 10:33, 24F

06/03 10:33, , 25F
這筆交易做完後 可能會考慮把Gibson交易出去再換個後衛
06/03 10:33, 25F

06/03 10:33, , 26F
不是說換CV的交易就要把Gibson包進去啦XDDDD
06/03 10:33, 26F

06/03 12:04, , 27F
薪資不對等吧,要怎麼換?
06/03 12:04, 27F

06/03 18:19, , 28F
是我誤會意思 謝謝Ah大的補充
06/03 18:19, 28F

12/10 13:30, 6年前 , 29F
然後再送給人家當即戰力 https://noxiv.com
12/10 13:30, 29F

04/19 03:29, 6年前 , 30F
說他貴 倒是還好 7~ http://yofuk.com
04/19 03:29, 30F
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