[外電] Bulls and Dwight: It ain't over until

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Bulls and Dwight: It ain’t over until you know when by Sam Smith So what if the Orlando Magic and Dwight Howard get to the March 15th trading deadline and the best trade for Orlando and the best situation for Howard is the Bulls? 魔術跟Howard到3/15交易截止日前,魔術最好的交易情況是公牛呢? And it could be. The Bulls come into Orlando Friday concerned more immediately about being 6-1 and the health of Derrick Rose, Richard Hamilton and CJ Watson, all day-to-day with various minor injuries. 公牛帶著6-1的成績禮拜五抵達奧蘭多,並且Rose Rip CJ都帶著一點傷勢. But there's that big matzoh ball hanging out there in Howard, who has said he wants to be traded and mentioned his preferred destinations as Los Angeles, Dallas and New Jersey/Brooklyn. 雖然總是有一堆傳言說Howard想去洛杉磯,達拉斯,布魯克林. The conventional wisdom, though we know how wrong they can be whomever they are, is that once Andrew Bynum proves himself healthy the Lakers will deal him and perhaps Pau Gasol to the Magic. 一般大眾的看法,先假設Andrew Bynum證明了自己的健康狀況,湖人要交易他跟Gasol到魔術 Though if Bynum is healthy, it remains quite possible the Lakers will keep Bynum. After all, he’s been terrific since his return from suspension with 29 points in his first game and a 20/20 game in his third. Plus, new Lakers’ head man Jim Buss is a huge advocate of Bynum’s and is said to prefer to keep him. Plus, also losing Gasol would decimate the Lakers’ roster with Lamar Odom gone. And then if Bynum is hurt again, there’s no deal, anyway. 就算Bynum是健康的,仍然有很大的機會湖人會留住Bynum.畢竟他在禁賽解除後打得非常好. 加上,湖人新老闆Jim Buss是Bynum很大的擁護者,而且他說他更喜歡留住Bynum.再加上,失 去Gosal會毀了整個湖人體系隨著Odom也不在了. 那如果Bynum不是健康的,那魔術湖人的交易就不會有可能了. Also, I’ve heard Howard doesn’t particularly care to follow Shaq and continue to be compared to him, that his agent is just using the Lakers to enhance any potential bidding. 除此之外,我已經聽說Howard不會刻意去跟隨俠客的腳步,和俠客做比較,這是他的經紀人 刻意增加交易至湖人的可能性.

01/09 17:16,
俠客那段似乎是他並不想跟隨並且跟俠客比較,(所以他
01/09 17:16

01/09 17:16,
是不想去的),因此湖人之所以被不斷提出來是為了要利
01/09 17:16

01/09 17:17,
用湖人來增加各種可能的報價。換句話說就是用湖人提出
01/09 17:17

01/09 17:18,
的包裹來抬價啦!!(畢竟要出到跟湖人一樣好有點難度)
01/09 17:18
The Mavs have basically no trade pieces, at least hardly anyone under 40. Their general plan is to lure Dallas native Deron Williams as a free agent, and the way things are going in New Jersey it would seem Williams would only be too happy to evacuate. 小牛基本上根本沒任何交易籌碼,小牛GM計畫簽下達拉斯人Deron Williams如果他變FA, The Mavs’ grand plan is said to be both Williams and Howard, though they’d likely need a sign and trade for one and it hardly seems like they have anyone the Nets, especially after trading for Williams and giving up so much, or the Magic would want. So Dallas probably is out. 小牛最大的目標是一口氣簽下Deron和Howard,然而一定要有一個人要先簽後換,但很難看 到達拉斯有魔術或籃網要的籌碼,所以達拉斯很可能出局了. And then comes Brooklyn. Say the Nets do make a deal involving Brook Lopez, which seems ludicrous that the Magic would take him and whatever spare parts the Nets have left or can get. They supposedly are compiling draft picks, but the Magic isn’t rebuilding with a bunch of non lottery picks. And this Nets team is now the worst in the league. But say the Magic do make such a deal. What chance do you have for any success in New Brooklyn with Deron Williams, assuming he does stay, which he may not, and basically nothing else. The Nets might have enough money to pay Howard as a walk away free agent, which those conventional wisdom types say the Magic never would allow after losing Shaq like that, but still there’s hardly anything left on the roster. And Howard makes about $25 million less. He doesn’t seem that clever. But he can figure that out. And then he still probably doesn’t even beat the Knicks. And you’ re in Brooklyn. 說到布魯克林,有傳出籃網以Lopez為交易籌碼,這聽起來十分可笑,就算籃網把Lopez以外的 人都打包,魔術都不見得有興趣.籃網必定要給一堆的選秀權,但魔術也得不到任何的樂透, 而且籃網目前是聯盟最糟的隊伍之一,就算Deron Howard真的合體成功,布魯克林真的有機 會成功嗎?籃網是有錢可以等Howard變成自由球員在去搶他,但魔術會希望俠客的事情再來 一遍嗎? Other teams have cap room, but is Howard picking Phoenix and those extras? Charlotte, Cleveland, Utah? 其他的隊伍有薪資空間,但Howard可能會去嗎? 鳳凰城? 夏洛特? 克里夫蘭? 猶他? So Howard could after all this say he’s staying in Orlando. I wouldn’t be shocked. 所以有可能到最後,Howard會說他會留在奧蘭多,這我可能一點都不會意外. But after not being in the ball game, the Bulls could find themselves being called up in the bottom of the ninth. 但公牛有可能會變成交易的對象 So then what do you do? The Bulls likely could answer most of Orlando’s wishes with draft picks (their own, Charlotte’s future and perhaps Mirotic from the last draft), taking back Hedo Turkoglu and giving them a center, Joakim Noah, popular in Florida, or Omer Asik, a power forward, Taj Gibson, and a small forward near All-Star player in Luol Deng. 公牛有辦法給出魔術想要的選秀權,吃掉火槍爛約,給魔術一個在佛羅里達很有人氣的中鋒 Noah或是Asik,Taj Gibson,甚至是準全明星級的小前鋒Loul Deng. The Magic isn’t into rebuilding, and the Nuggets did pretty well holding out for extra players in the Carmelo Anthony deal. Denver came out of it pretty whole and competitive. 魔術沒有要重建,金塊在交易Melo裡做得很好,他們保持了整體戰力跟競爭性. But then what are the Bulls? They have Derrick Rose and Howard, which is two of the top five players in the NBA to match Miami’s two of the top five. Carlos Boozer likely remains and probably Asik. You’re stuck with Turkoglu, but still have Richard Hamilton and some good role players like Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver, C.J. Watson and Jimmy Butler. 那交易成功的話,公牛會如何? 他們會有Rose Howard兩位聯盟頂尖球員,Boozer有可能留住很有可能Asik也在.雖然你很有 可能被Turkoglu氣死.但公牛仍有Rip Brewer Korver CJ Jimmy等人. http://ppt.cc/GwGQ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 111.249.157.98 ※ 編輯: opopoppj 來自: 111.249.157.98 (01/09 17:04)

01/09 17:16, , 1F
俠客那段似乎是他並不想跟隨並且跟俠客比較,(所以他
01/09 17:16, 1F

01/09 17:16, , 2F
是不想去的),因此湖人之所以被不斷提出來是為了要利
01/09 17:16, 2F

01/09 17:17, , 3F
用湖人來增加各種可能的報價。換句話說就是用湖人提出
01/09 17:17, 3F

01/09 17:18, , 4F
的包裹來抬價啦!!(畢竟要出到跟湖人一樣好有點難度)
01/09 17:18, 4F

01/09 17:19, , 5F
至於The conventional wisdom就是指一般大眾的看法
01/09 17:19, 5F

01/09 17:21, , 6F
感謝藍天!!
01/09 17:21, 6F

01/09 17:22, , 7F
感謝OP阿~有上色版的翻譯超讚的!!
01/09 17:22, 7F

01/09 17:51, , 8F
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01/09 17:53, , 9F
如果DH來公牛, 就成為公牛隊史第一位超級中鋒了
01/09 17:53, 9F

01/09 17:55, , 10F
如果真要交易,希望Asik Taj至少能留住一個
01/09 17:55, 10F

01/09 17:57, , 11F
Boo+Noah <=> DH 樓上的兩個都留了XD
01/09 17:57, 11F

01/09 18:47, , 12F
公牛隊使第一個超級中鋒? Artis Gilmore:....
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※ 編輯: opopoppj 來自: 111.249.157.98 (01/09 19:10)

01/09 19:54, , 13F
吉爾摩也是上古神獸...看那精美的籃板+火鍋
01/09 19:54, 13F

01/09 20:31, , 14F
謝謝L大補充, 他是名人堂等級的 但是似乎待了滿多隊
01/09 20:31, 14F

01/09 20:35, , 15F
1976-1982在公牛打了6-7個球季,個人數據的確很棒
01/09 20:35, 15F

01/09 21:47, , 16F
但是交易Deng真的好嗎?Deng防守LBJ真的守得不錯
01/09 21:47, 16F

01/09 21:52, , 17F
如果要交易Deng~請先找個合格的先發SF吧......
01/09 21:52, 17F

01/09 21:54, , 18F
寧願換掉Boo也不要動滷蛋...
01/09 21:54, 18F

01/09 22:29, , 19F
如果換Deng 就代表不會換Boozer 那麼就代表
01/09 22:29, 19F

01/09 22:30, , 20F
會得到 Howard+Boozer這可怕的禁區組合
01/09 22:30, 20F

01/09 22:30, , 21F
當然換Deng 在SF這點上是很大的洞 我也懂
01/09 22:30, 21F

01/09 22:31, , 22F
但你要換Howard卻沒有損失 這也說不過去
01/09 22:31, 22F

01/09 22:32, , 23F
我個人認為 如果真的換Deng走的話 SF先由火槍和Brewer扛
01/09 22:32, 23F

01/09 22:33, , 24F
未來再由中產或選秀 取得小前鋒來補這個洞
01/09 22:33, 24F

01/09 22:34, , 25F
要找到有防守跟一定外線能力外線的SF 還可以做到
01/09 22:34, 25F

01/09 22:35, , 26F
Howard聯盟第一中鋒可不是隨時有機會得到的
01/09 22:35, 26F

01/09 22:36, , 27F
我知道Deng的功能很少人有辦法取代 但組起了強大禁區
01/09 22:36, 27F

01/09 22:36, , 28F
配上日益進步的Rose 基本上 整個球隊的主軸非常完美
01/09 22:36, 28F

01/09 22:39, , 29F
就情感面來講,要放掉Noah和Deng這兩位自家培養的球隊
01/09 22:39, 29F

01/09 22:40, , 30F
核心~真的是捨不得呀......
01/09 22:40, 30F

01/09 22:40, , 31F
同意op大,Boo+DH禁區的威力的確可以期待
01/09 22:40, 31F

01/09 22:42, , 32F
上季東冠boo表現如果正常,公牛可能還可以打到G6-G7決戰
01/09 22:42, 32F

01/09 22:43, , 33F
公牛要衝出東區最大敵人是熱火,如果把boo交易 那公牛禁
01/09 22:43, 33F

01/09 22:44, , 34F
區不一定有優勢,Taj對上Bosh? 原本就算滷蛋在,熱火的
01/09 22:44, 34F

01/09 22:45, , 35F
SF跟SG還是比較有優勢,公牛要打敗三王 得要更強戰力
01/09 22:45, 35F

01/09 22:46, , 36F
Noah Deng當然都是很棒的球員 魔術球迷也是這樣愛著DH阿
01/09 22:46, 36F

01/09 22:49, , 37F
不過要對方心甘情願交出Howard 這點讓步 我可以接受
01/09 22:49, 37F

01/09 22:49, , 38F
但是如果我們可以不用送Deng 我當然也不要送XD
01/09 22:49, 38F

01/09 22:50, , 39F
再說到有了Howard的助拳後 之後要找人抱大腿也比較容易
01/09 22:50, 39F

01/09 22:51, , 40F
如果可以不出滷蛋當然最好,但公牛很少做成功搶劫交易
01/09 22:51, 40F

01/09 22:55, , 41F
只要Asik/Taj至少留一個 Boo/deng至少留一個,公牛戰力
01/09 22:55, 41F

01/09 22:55, , 42F
老實說我對今年季後賽還滿擔心的,溜馬、76人、尼克,
01/09 22:55, 42F

01/09 22:56, , 43F
在DH加盟後,不太可能比現在差,很可能戰力比現在好
01/09 22:56, 43F

01/09 22:56, , 44F
都是整合起來不輸公牛的球隊,尤其是溜馬跟76人...看
01/09 22:56, 44F

01/09 22:57, , 45F
起來都沒有大球星,卻都有對上會打得很辛苦的感覺,至
01/09 22:57, 45F

01/09 22:57, , 46F
於熱火就更不用說了...牛群們再不加油就要苦戰囉~~
01/09 22:57, 46F

01/09 22:57, , 47F
我是比較擔心遇到老鷹啦,少了科科 公牛都打那麼辛苦了
01/09 22:57, 47F

01/09 22:58, , 48F
差點忘了老鷹這個最近的當頭棒喝....
01/09 22:58, 48F

01/09 22:59, , 49F
科科回來 老鷹可能更難纏,至少防守會給Rose不小壓力
01/09 22:59, 49F

01/09 22:59, , 50F
看熱身賽~感覺只要Rip健康出賽,溜馬這類的球隊都不是
01/09 22:59, 50F

01/09 23:00, , 51F
對手,至於尼克......噗~除了甜瓜自幹很強,看不出有什
01/09 23:00, 51F

01/09 23:00, , 52F
上季季後賽對老鷹,科科沒上就血戰6場了
01/09 23:00, 52F

01/09 23:00, , 53F
威脅耶~
01/09 23:00, 53F

01/09 23:02, , 54F
我覺得公牛最大的弱點就是「真正」具備攻擊力的人沒幾位
01/09 23:02, 54F

01/09 23:03, , 55F
Boozer需要戰術 Deng屬於中距離射手欠缺進攻創造性
01/09 23:03, 55F

01/09 23:04, , 56F
Korver是單純三分射手 被守死就沒戲唱
01/09 23:04, 56F

01/09 23:04, , 57F
Rip得分能力無庸置疑 但他年紀有點大 健康不能保證
01/09 23:04, 57F

01/09 23:06, , 58F
如果有Howard 能信賴的得分武器就有兩個 壓力平分
01/09 23:06, 58F

01/09 23:06, , 59F
再說Howard的到來 Boozer的能力能完全解放
01/09 23:06, 59F

01/09 23:07, , 60F
Howard強大的低位攻擊力 讓Boozer在高位可以輕鬆得分
01/09 23:07, 60F

01/09 23:07, , 61F
Howard也可以有Boozer幫忙進攻變得輕鬆
01/09 23:07, 61F

01/09 23:09, , 62F
好吧~樂觀其成,就算交易不成也沒損失!
01/09 23:09, 62F

01/09 23:09, , 63F
不過希望公牛的球員不要被交易流言影響士氣呀......
01/09 23:09, 63F

01/09 23:10, , 64F
所以制服組現在不動聲色是最棒的手段阿XD
01/09 23:10, 64F

01/09 23:10, , 65F
Rose也乖乖的不要吵 球員努力打球就對了
01/09 23:10, 65F

01/09 23:11, , 66F
反正我不覺得魔術會在明星賽前交易Howard
01/09 23:11, 66F

01/09 23:34, , 67F
不會影響士氣啊 Rose都出面先消毒說不需要交易
01/09 23:34, 67F

01/09 23:35, , 68F
交易檯面下偷偷談 未達成交易前都不搬上檯面
01/09 23:35, 68F

01/10 09:46, , 69F
公牛檯面曝光的交易好像滿少成功?
01/10 09:46, 69F

01/10 10:57, , 70F
NOAH+滷蛋<=>DH+火槍兵 這樣外有RIP+火槍兵 內有BO+DH
01/10 10:57, 70F

01/10 13:15, , 71F
DENG的近功創造性真的不太好 可是每場都好穩
01/10 13:15, 71F

12/10 13:33, 6年前 , 72F
要找到有防守跟一定外線 https://daxiv.com
12/10 13:33, 72F

04/19 03:32, 6年前 , 73F
不過要對方心甘情願交出 http://yofuk.com
04/19 03:32, 73F
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