PTT體育區 / Jeremy_Lin (林書豪)

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看板Jeremy_Lin (林書豪)作者時間11年前 (2014/11/12 16:32), 編輯推噓49(49推 0噓 147→)
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Disappointed really in his lack of aggression down the stretch even when Kobe was not on the floor. Didn't like how he played the last quarter, it was like how he played the first 2 games. only thing he did was hit the off ball 3 but even when the defense was focused on Kobe he didn't call for it nor look to make them pay, he really just started watching Kobe who had to take(and made) hard shots. 對林書豪的缺乏積極性很失望, 即使Kobe不在場上時他也那樣, 很不喜歡林書豪在今天 第四節的表現, 末節林打的就跟開季前兩場一樣悶, 他唯一做的就只是砍了顆三分, 今 天即使對方主要在防Kobe時林書豪也沒主動讓隊友傳球給他讓他打, 林只是在一旁看著 Kobe出手難度高的跳投(有時有命中) He really has no reason to regress back after getting the green light. THIS game was his moment to build upon what he's built on the last 3 games but he closed it playing the same way he did the first 2 games. He really REALLY needs to get out of his own head. 球隊給他開了"綠燈"後林真的沒理由再縮著打了, 前三場好不容易打出來點了這場卻縮 了回去, 跟開季前兩場一樣縮, 林書豪真的真的得用力的跳出來打球啦 Some of it is a bi-product of Hill not hitting his jumpers(which I said would be a factor) but there was too many times he didn't take initiative in the 4th, even when his 2nd option was Ronnie Price. 先不提最後28秒時Hill那球中距離, 第四節太多次看到林書豪打的不積極, 即便身旁的 是Price而不是Kobe That needs to change cause the game was there for the taking for us. 書豪不衝, 湖人無望 Hopefully he bounces back tomorrow, but as it's a back to back vs the Pelicans, I have no idea if we'll have the stamina. 希望明天打鵜鶘時林書豪能反彈打好些, 但B2B耶, 不確定湖人是否有足夠的體力 ---------------------------------------- Just don't understand why Ronnie Price was initating the offense at the start of the 4th . And if u noticed Lin was taking the defensive load on the backcourt. It's like inverted use of talents 不太懂為什麼第四節開始時是Price在主導攻勢, 而林書豪則去負責後場的防守 教練是不是把人放錯位置啦?? ------------------------------------------ wasn't really that either. Lin can call for the ball and take initiative. Scott likely put him out there with that lineup because he wanted Lin to score while Kobe wasn't out there. 樓上說的不盡然如此, 林雖然能主動叫戰術和打的積極些, 但Scott很可能是讓林去填 Kobe下場後的攻擊手位置 We had no choice but to Put Price in there given how bad Clarkson and Xavier played earlier. This one in terms of lack of aggression is on Lin. I think he knows it too. 至於林書豪今晚不夠積極這點....我想他自己也知道吧 ----------------------------------------- Agree. Lin just not getting it - he needs to take at least 12 shots, either he's making 'em or not. 8 is just not enough and actually giving the defense an advantage. 同意, 林書豪沒進入狀況, 不管能不能命中, 他至少得出手12次啊! 8次太少了, 也會 讓對手在防守湖人上更有利 ------------------------------------------ He was playing within the flow though... there were almost no two man games designed for Lin, if you want him to take more shots, he has to go one on one iso...not really what coach wants him to do...he was running set plays, balls never came back, wanted to do a PnR with Davis once, was not successful... Boozer basically would take every shot he received in the low post or elbow, Lin had to call him out in the fourth quarter for him to come up setting a high screen... You want him to be aggressive, but it has to be within the team concept, he is very unselfish, on the other hand, Boozer is a selfish player... they need to buffer out a little bit each other... 林只是照著戰術打, 而目前並沒有替林書豪設計的兩人以上戰術, 硬要他打的話, 林書 豪就只能一對一自幹了, 這也不會是教練想要的. 林書豪一直想打戰術但球偏偏傳出去 後救回不來, 曾想跟ED配合一次檔拆但不幸失敗了. Boozer基本上會把每一顆接到的 傳球自幹掉, 跟他搭配林書豪就必須得把Boozer叫出來幫忙檔出空間... 你想要林書豪 更積極些, 也得先符合球隊的戰術規畫, 林書豪相當無私, 可Boozer卻相對的打的很自 私, 他們倆個的配合....還得在多些時間 ------------------------------------------ If your role is that of the 2nd leading scorer, you shouldn't need plays drawn up for you all the time. You should be able to adapt to the situation. 若你的角色是隊上的第二得分手, 你就不應該總是得靠戰術規劃來找出手機會, 你應該 得去適應當下的狀況並做出判斷才是 Does anyone think whenever CP3 scores that it was a drawn play? 像是CP3, 會有人認為他每次出手背後都是有著規劃好的戰術嗎?? Part of being a very solid player is being able to make the most out of broken plays, particularly when you're a point guard. 一位好球員就得要有臨場反應的能力, 特別是對一個PG而言 There's really no excuse for a player as smart as Lin to not take initiative when Kobe isn't on the floor. That's not on Scott. It's up to Lin to call the plays as he has the green light to. 像林書豪這樣聰明的球員真的沒有理由當Kobe下場時還打的不積極, 這不是Scott的問題 , 拿到綠燈後林書豪就得替自己call想要的戰術 As I said, the lack of aggression is on him and he needs to be consistent, that's all really. He needs to be consistent and not constantly look for the perfect opportunity. 如我說的, 缺乏積極性是林書豪自己的問題, 且他需要打出穩定的表現, 他需要的就只是 這些, 沒別的了, 他需要穩定的表現並別去依賴完美的出手機會 ----------------------------------- so is it always someone else's fault when lin underperforms? 所以林書豪打不好時總是別人的問題嗎? ------------------------------------ nobody's fault, i am addressing what it was... He is too unselfish sometimes 這不是誰的問題, 我只是在說明為什麼會出現這樣的狀況, 林書豪有時就只是太無私了 ------------------------------------- The 50% shooting percentage looks good on paper. Unfortunately, his game thrives when he is aggressive and he just doesn't take enough shots....I see too many times when he just dumps it into Boozer or Hill and he's not even driving it in drawing defenders to open up either guy. Like somebody said he needs to take 12 shots per game, you have to give yourself a chance to get it going. 50趴的命中率看似很讚, 但不幸的是當林書豪打的積極時就會有好結果, 可是他卻出手 不夠多次, 我看過太多次當他傳球給Boozer或Hill後, 他自己都沒跟著鑽入禁區去替其 他人拉開空間, 像是某樓說過林書豪至少得每場出手12次一樣, 我認為林書豪也得多跑 動來替自己創造出手機會 ----------------------------------------- http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?p=6021867 以上老外林迷/湖迷觀點, 僅供大家參考 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 60.250.135.23 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Jeremy_Lin/M.1415781126.A.B66.html
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11/12 16:35, , 1F
booooo 不要小看我！ 硬上 阿被蓋
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11/12 16:36, , 2F
別隊就算了 現在硬上撞灰熊..
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11/12 16:36, , 3F
跟PTT在爭論的點也差不多 其實
11/12 16:36, 3F
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11/12 16:38, , 4F
然後他們都沒提到,湖人今年一堆人要自己拼合約的點
11/12 16:38, 4F
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11/12 16:41, , 5F
跟我想的差不多 lin不會是第二個得分點
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11/12 16:42, , 6F
球沒給他怎麼積極
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11/12 16:43, , 7F
他不需要打什麼合理籃球,這支球隊配置人手不足
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11/12 16:43, , 8F
反而需要他跳出來替隊友拉開空間
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11/12 16:44, , 9F
開什麼綠燈也是假的 這也只是一種話術而已
11/12 16:44, 9F
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11/12 16:48, , 10F
沒設計的話 大部跑動無意義 隊友自個會投掉 白跑
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11/12 16:49, , 11F
球傳出去幾乎回不來 即使有空檔大概也看不見
11/12 16:49, 11F
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11/12 16:49, , 12F
這幾場看下來在三分大空檔也很少有機會拿到球阿...
11/12 16:49, 12F
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11/12 16:50, , 13F
我覺得這場球的差異就是老大有沒有傳給林而已。
11/12 16:50, 13F
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11/12 16:53, , 14F
我很樂觀說~不知道為啥...QQ
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11/12 16:58, , 15F
ak大說到重點，上一場贏黃蜂老大4助攻都是在豪哥身
11/12 16:58, 15F
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11/12 16:59, , 16F
會傳球的 大概也只有老大
11/12 16:59, 16F
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11/12 16:59, , 17F
AK大 那個球回不來的視頻 應也上傳給國外粉絲看 即
11/12 16:59, 17F
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11/12 16:59, , 18F
使和老普同在場 Lin也有球傳出去 跑好位置等接球 但
11/12 16:59, 18F
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11/12 17:00, , 19F
最後也是只有等接球了...
11/12 17:00, 19F
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11/12 17:01, , 20F
這球隊最會回傳球給Lin的 就只有ED和偶然時候的老大
11/12 17:01, 20F
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11/12 17:02, , 21F
Boo中距離還是很穩...不過防守小動作一定會被抓 XD
11/12 17:02, 21F
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11/12 17:05, , 22F
就是要他打得更自私吧... 一直call內線幫他擋之類
11/12 17:05, 22F
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11/12 17:05, , 23F
就出手次數和球權掌握上 看不出是開了綠燈的情形
11/12 17:05, 23F
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11/12 17:09, , 24F
林最厲害的戰術 你知我知獨眼龍也知 就史考特不知
11/12 17:09, 24F
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11/12 17:09, , 25F
設計一下擋拆很難嗎
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11/12 17:10, , 26F
林就是缺乏那種 "我要投,來幫我擋人和搶籃板"的氣勢
11/12 17:10, 26F
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11/12 17:10, , 27F
我也看不出是開綠燈還是閃黃燈。
11/12 17:10, 27F
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11/12 17:11, , 28F
要當關鍵球員就要有那種"我不幹會被隊友敗掉"的意識
11/12 17:11, 28F
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11/12 17:17, , 29F
要這樣打 大概只有林來瘋那時期才有這樣的條件吧
11/12 17:17, 29F
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11/12 17:18, , 30F
有氣勢也氣勢不過老大..老大氣勢都比教練強了 屑屑
11/12 17:18, 30F
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11/12 17:18, , 31F
還是那句 主打內線 再來老大 lin只是次要選擇 現況
11/12 17:18, 31F
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11/12 17:18, , 32F
就是如此
11/12 17:18, 32F
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11/12 17:18, , 33F
現在林感覺就是偏向 跑戰術 合理的出手
11/12 17:18, 33F
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11/12 17:19, , 34F
這幾場戰術執行看下來 只有給kobe的才會完整跑完
11/12 17:19, 34F
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11/12 17:19, , 35F
其他的幾乎都是給道pf或c 就看這兩個人的選擇了
11/12 17:19, 35F
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11/12 17:20, , 36F
林通常不會是第一個選擇的點
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11/12 17:21, , 37F
林過半場->Kobe, Kobe自幹
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11/12 17:22, , 38F
Kobe如果分球, 球給Hill或Boozer->打掉
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11/12 17:22, , 39F
Kobe分球會給林書豪的確不多, 更別提Hill跟Boozer
11/12 17:22, 39F
還有 117 則推文
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11/12 19:16, , 157F
只要你幹的進，他肯定不會說話，但若是幹不進的話..
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11/12 19:22, , 158F
當然想看他得分啊。防守積極不會替他換來先發合約
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的
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11/12 19:27, , 160F
今天看BOX 也是5成 可是卻要背十字架 要有耐心 T_T
11/12 19:27, 160F
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11/12 19:27, , 161F
把林當防守組我覺得是進入誤區的做法,關鍵問題在於
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11/12 19:27, , 162F
要積極是吧 全員給我像Kobe一樣傳阿 一群自幹狂
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11/12 19:28, , 163F
目前林書豪的體能沒這麼好. 當林把體力和專注力都消
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11/12 19:29, , 164F
耗在防守上,那怎期待他第4節有體力帶進攻?
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11/12 19:30, , 165F
更不要說犯規問題會影響到他的上場時間.
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11/12 19:31, , 166F
另外先發進攻沒問題 替補的Price毫無威脅性很糟
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11/12 19:32, , 167F
在先發火力方面 湖人聯盟排第六 替補22名 尤其最近
11/12 19:32, 167F
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11/12 19:32, , 168F
先發都砍下80+分 板凳毫無作為才是大問題
11/12 19:32, 168F
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11/12 19:54, , 169F
就說這場跟體力無關 出手數分配就很明顯
11/12 19:54, 169F
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11/12 19:56, , 170F
又不是守咖哩那種雙擋 體力沒耗費很多
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11/12 20:06, , 171F
第一節守康力4分一助攻 也算很努力 但後面撞到脫力
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11/12 20:07, , 172F
senaswong大大，請問一下，Lin的pps數據要到哪個網
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11/12 20:08, , 173F
址才能看到呢？謝謝您的回答。^_^
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11/12 20:09, , 174F
google - ESPN PPS
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11/12 20:17, , 175F
今天看到很多次Lin跑出海一樣大的空檔 但是有用嗎?
11/12 20:17, 175F
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11/12 20:30, , 176F
其實怪林得分太少 也算不錯啦 XD 至少是因為看重他
11/12 20:30, 176F
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11/12 20:35, , 177F
那個回的人不懂 Lin 討論不會有交集的
11/12 20:35, 177F
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11/12 20:36, , 178F
其實美國文化都是勇於表現自己 誰行誰上
11/12 20:36, 178F
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11/12 20:36, , 179F
即便是NBA也是常有這種情況出現
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11/12 20:37, , 180F
Lin則是教練怎麼說 就怎麼做
11/12 20:37, 180F
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11/12 20:38, , 181F
對於常常不照戰術來的美國人來說 很難理解的
11/12 20:38, 181F
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11/12 21:06, , 182F
如果看了比賽 會發現林跑空檔很多 但持球者不傳要
11/12 21:06, 182F
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11/12 21:46, , 183F
所以說跑了也是白跑
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11/12 21:55, , 184F
所以積極=出手次數?已經搞不清楚積極2字了
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11/12 22:02, , 185F
第四戰對勇士才是不積極吧？這場要說他不積極真的
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11/12 22:02, , 186F
很奇怪
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11/12 23:32, , 187F
對勇士也很積極 防守方面就追得很累 隊友不給力協
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防
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11/12 23:35, , 189F
只能說湖人太過依賴內線中距離
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11/13 00:25, , 190F
Kobe也說過上場了就不要再回頭看教練 Lin是該自私點
11/13 00:25, 190F
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11/13 01:10, , 191F
華人太謙遜了，這在歐美並不是美德，唉
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11/13 02:26, , 192F
溫良恭儉讓，P！溫娘工嗯湯～
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11/13 08:32, , 193F
老外林迷講話就是這麼直接，向跟老朋友講話一樣
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11/13 08:33, , 194F
向著直呼名字的長輩講話一般跟朋友孩子講話還是喜歡
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的球員講話。
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