[轉錄][轉錄][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板] 作者: danielprince (丹尼爾王子) 看板: NBA 標題: [轉錄][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin 時間: Mon Feb 8 23:19:07 2010 ※ [本文轉錄自 Celtics 看板] 作者: SULICon (Puff Gasoft) 看板: Celtics 標題: [Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin 時間: Mon Feb 8 21:11:40 2010 新聞出處(必填):http://0rz.tw/VfweT http://0rz.tw/FFq87 作者:Ken Berger Celtics, Allen on trade clock Few grand conclusions can be drawn from February NBA games. But in this case, the Celtics' latest disappointing loss only underscored what has been a poorly kept secret among NBA executives for weeks: Ray Allen's time in Boston is likely coming to an end. Thanks to a non-competitive third quarter, the Celtics fell to Orlando 96-89 on Sunday, dropping them to third in the East behind the Cavs and Magic. The struggling Celtics still have three games against Cleveland to prove they haven't fallen from elite status. But after going 1-3 against Orlando and 0-4 against Atlanta, the Celtics have reached a crossroads in their bid to milk one more championship banner out of the Allen-Paul Pierce-Kevin Garnett era. Don't bet on every member of the Big Three being around beyond the Feb. 18 trade deadline. Though team president Danny Ainge has publicly ridiculed the Allen trade reports, several NBA executives told CBSSports.com that the Celtics have been actively trying to parlay Allen's $19.7 million expiring contract into an asset that could keep them in the mix during the upcoming playoffs and also help them for the next several seasons. The most recent inquiry, sources say, involved Sacramento sharpshooter Kevin Martin, who'd be a good fit with Boston's remaining core. Kings officials might be talked out of their reluctance to deal Martin if they could pry a prolific big man out of a third team brought into the discussions or in a separate transaction before the deadline. The bottom line is that Ainge, who saved his job by pulling off the perfect storm of trades that yielded Allen and Garnett three years ago, has made it clear in private conversations that he's "not going back to the abyss," according to one person familiar with the discussions. "Danny has said, 'I can't go back to square one where we were prior to the Garnett deal,'" the person said. "At the All-Star break, they’re going to look in the mirror and say, 'Cleveland got better, we can't beat Orlando, and we can't even beat the Hawks. We’re not going to win it this year.'" If the Celtics kept Allen and let his contract come off the books, they'd still be over the cap this summer with no avenues besides sign-and-trades to acquire a starting shooting guard. That's why Boston also has expressed interest in the Bulls' Kirk Hinrich, an excellent defender and ball-handler who would give the Celtics a starting two guard next season at $9 million and in 2011-12 at $8 million. The Bulls' motivation would be cap relief. The Kings, who are not planning to be big free-agent shoppers this summer, aren't seeking to acquire cap space alone. They want assets -- and the Celtics don't have a young big man to offer. The Bulls, who almost certainly will move Tyrus Thomas, might need to be invited into that conversation to satisfy everyone's needs. Whatever avenue they pursue, the Celtics don't want to go into this summer with no cap flexibility and no assets that could be used to keep them among the elite. Before Ainge struck the 2007 draft-related deal for Allen and then plucked Garnett from Minnesota with the help of former teammate Kevin McHale, the Celtics had just endured a 24-win season and hadn't been out of the first round since 2002-03. Ainge and Doc Rivers were on the brink of getting fired until the perfect remedy presented itself -- and the Celtics parlayed the Allen and Garnett deals into their 17th NBA title. "Kevin McHale's out of the league," one rival executive said, only half-joking. "So they're not going to be able to recreate that deal again." The period leading up to that was so grim that nobody in the organization wants to revisit it. The best way to avoid such a scenario would be to part ways with Allen. It wouldn't be starting over. Instead, it would be a bold attempt to have a chance against Cleveland, Orlando, and Atlanta in the playoffs and avoid going back to the depths of rebuilding. Would you trade Ray Allen for Kevin Martin? 72% Yes ████████ 902 votes 27% No ███ 349 votes -- ┌這篇文章讓您覺得?────────────────────────────┐ │ │ 一"一 \ / >\\\< ╯ ╰ ∩ ∩ ▁ ▁_< ㄧ ㄧ+ │ ε Δ ╰╯ 北七 亂喔 害羞 莎笅 爽啦 哭爸 XD 科科 └───────────────────http://www.wretch.cc/album/sulicon──┘ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.136.56.219

02/08 21:15,
險路勿近啊~不過我們真的需要個妹妹頭殺手...
02/08 21:15

02/08 21:15,
順便把Rando一起打包換evans吧..
02/08 21:15

02/08 21:24,
完了
02/08 21:24

02/08 21:27,
rumor愈來愈多了 看來今年說不定會成真…
02/08 21:27

02/08 21:40,
唉~希望三巨頭不要拆夥啊 阿炮走就超惋惜的
02/08 21:40

02/08 21:54,
no.........
02/08 21:54

02/08 21:55,
KM太玻璃人了吧 風險頗高的投資
02/08 21:55

02/08 22:01,
乳摸講不完~無止盡的迴圈!等成真再說~
02/08 22:01

02/08 22:07,
72% 是C's官網投票的結果嗎...orz
02/08 22:07

02/08 22:10,
ray不要走!走了我就沒動力早起看比賽了............
02/08 22:10

02/08 22:11,
Martin健康的話 進攻可期待 防守會是洞
02/08 22:11

02/08 22:12,
不過只拿到Martin...也不太想換 應該還有更棒的交易
02/08 22:12

02/08 22:14,
加個Casspi好了...慢慢想XD
02/08 22:14

02/08 22:18,
NO!!!!!!!!
02/08 22:18

02/08 22:29,
完了
02/08 22:29

02/08 22:37,
如果ray得走 希望能把ray送去強隊 想看他打季後賽
02/08 22:37

02/08 22:39,
老實說 如果好好用ray能撐至少2-3年 像hill那樣
02/08 22:39

02/08 22:41,
希望看到的是他光榮退休 不是被遺棄而淡出NBA
02/08 22:41

02/08 22:50,
有看到三方交易換來Igoudala 這我還比較能接受
02/08 22:50

02/08 22:53,
會有乳摸不意外 第三節先發打這麼爛 全部都該被幹譙
02/08 22:53
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02/08 23:19,
...
02/08 23:19

02/08 23:20,
YES的好多
02/08 23:20
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02/08 23:21, , 1F
那個加個Casspi的推文簡直欺人太甚!!!
02/08 23:21, 1F

02/08 23:25, , 2F
拿一個當家年輕王牌去換一個已經走下坡明星 當我們白痴?
02/08 23:25, 2F

02/08 23:26, , 3F
一對一都不換了還加小卡
02/08 23:26, 3F

02/08 23:27, , 4F
重點是 拿射手換射手 有什麼意義阿 -.- ?
02/08 23:27, 4F

02/08 23:28, , 5F
我們要的是禁區黑柱
02/08 23:28, 5F

02/08 23:28, , 6F
夕陽明星換明日之星,怎麼看都划算啊
02/08 23:28, 6F

02/08 23:31, , 7F
就說了 會弄來一個第三隊 如果要交易的話
02/08 23:31, 7F

02/08 23:35, , 8F
他們在自己隊板推的文不用太計較啦,我們自己也是一直
02/08 23:35, 8F

02/08 23:35, , 9F
肖想別人的好菜阿。
02/08 23:35, 9F

02/08 23:36, , 10F
終於知道被提搶劫式交易的感受了? (  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ
02/08 23:36, 10F

02/08 23:36, , 11F
希望能出現有關於禁區的交易 而不是後場在那邊亂搞= =
02/08 23:36, 11F

02/08 23:39, , 12F
如果Ray Gun被超賽賣掉,那麼我們到底是在看籃球還是
02/08 23:39, 12F

02/08 23:40, , 13F
吃速食?兩年前情深意重一起拼冠軍,今年績效下降就要
02/08 23:40, 13F

02/08 23:41, , 14F
揮手掰掰。2004 F4開始帶槍投靠後,什麼好像都亂了。
02/08 23:41, 14F

02/08 23:41, , 15F
還好吧,又不是賣PP,再拖下去他們又要進入黑暗期了
02/08 23:41, 15F
還有 63 則推文
02/09 01:02, , 79F
防守!? 拜託...超賽的防守不像國王一樣 不會這麼容易崩
02/09 01:02, 79F

02/09 01:03, , 80F
雖然很希望快點來個交易換換手氣.但這筆交易實在太虧了
02/09 01:03, 80F

02/09 01:03, , 81F
潰 再加上超賽現在需要的就是KM這型的球員 死都不換
02/09 01:03, 81F

02/09 01:03, , 82F
虧到爆 換來雷槍也不知道要幹嘛..我們的後場太擠了
02/09 01:03, 82F

02/09 01:04, , 83F
沒有問題 而且他很努力衝近籃下 吸引犯規的能力很強
02/09 01:04, 83F

02/09 01:04, , 84F
換雷槍除了清薪資帶小號 其他我想不出來有啥用
02/09 01:04, 84F

02/09 01:05, , 85F
馬丁受傷回來狀況恢復不錯 假如不是伊文斯的存在
02/09 01:05, 85F

02/09 01:05, , 86F
其實作用已經跟受傷以前差不多了
02/09 01:05, 86F

02/09 01:07, , 87F
清薪資明年有辦法盤到bosh嗎.一樣的4號.一樣的名.CW4->CB4
02/09 01:07, 87F

02/09 01:07, , 88F
不太可能 因為我們還是爛隊 他應該想要去奪冠熱門
02/09 01:07, 88F

02/09 01:10, , 89F
作用已經跟受傷以前差不多 這點我非常存疑 :(
02/09 01:10, 89F

02/09 01:11, , 90F
狀況恢復目前其實是尚待改進 離不錯還很遠....
02/09 01:11, 90F

02/09 01:13, , 91F
馬丁的狀況逐穩定 最近幾場比賽他大致上接近受傷以前的
02/09 01:13, 91F

02/09 01:13, , 92F
打籃球不是一加一等於二
02/09 01:13, 92F

02/09 01:14, , 93F
光拿Box來看 只有對山貓那場比較好 其餘近四場都很普通
02/09 01:14, 93F

02/09 01:15, , 94F
為了因應reke,他最近的出手選擇改變或許也是原因之一
02/09 01:15, 94F

02/09 01:16, , 95F
情況 考慮他必須重新找出配合如何現在的國王去調整跟改變
02/09 01:16, 95F

02/09 01:17, , 96F
不像是以前那麼的打球也夠好了
02/09 01:17, 96F

02/09 01:19, , 97F
其實這樣的球員改變自己的打法跟伊文斯搭配是非常需要
02/09 01:19, 97F

02/09 01:22, , 98F
時間轉變 對於他其實更改打法影響很大
02/09 01:22, 98F

02/09 01:23, , 99F
成績雖然還有差距 但是重要的出手感覺有回來了
02/09 01:23, 99F

02/09 01:24, , 100F
只是出手的時機不好掌握 大大降低的效率
02/09 01:24, 100F

02/09 02:58, , 101F
Allen是被超音速交易過去的 = =什麼叫沒有不離不棄
02/09 02:58, 101F

02/09 02:59, , 102F
外電消息還說 剛開始他知道了還很難釋懷呢
02/09 02:59, 102F

02/09 09:42, , 103F
KM感覺是有在配合新國王 在變打法 我也蠻好奇的KM跟
02/09 09:42, 103F

02/09 09:42, , 104F
kidd搭後場會怎樣?
02/09 09:42, 104F

02/09 12:41, , 105F
言語太衝有觸犯到allen迷的話,我道歉sorry<(_ _)>
02/09 12:41, 105F

02/09 15:20, , 106F
紫色字下一段對國王才是真正的重點吧?尋求第三方加入把長人
02/09 15:20, 106F

02/09 15:20, , 107F
送到沙城,所以並不是單純的Ray for Martin的1換1,何況薪資
02/09 15:20, 107F

02/09 15:21, , 108F
也並不對等~
02/09 15:21, 108F

02/09 15:31, , 109F
02/09 15:31, 109F

02/09 15:43, , 110F
對...這就是我說的 Petrie只要高個 其他都不要
02/09 15:43, 110F

02/09 15:45, , 111F
我看不到方案...囧
02/09 15:45, 111F

02/09 15:55, , 112F
唔...好像被洗掉了...我的提案是BOS拿Martin+Noci,PHI拿KT+
02/09 15:55, 112F

02/09 15:56, , 113F
S-Rod,國王拿Ray+Sammy
02/09 15:56, 113F

02/09 16:06, , 114F
哇 這樣phi會同意嗎? 如果是這樣 我很樂意
02/09 16:06, 114F

02/09 16:09, , 115F
如果PHI超想省錢,卻又不想丟Iggy的話不無可能啦~
02/09 16:09, 115F

02/09 16:10, , 116F
這也比拿Iggy+Sammy換T-Mac的風險小一點~
02/09 16:10, 116F

02/09 16:49, , 117F
唔,看完全文了,我來去修正我的文章Orz
02/09 16:49, 117F

02/10 00:15, , 118F
如果真的要交易KM 我希望他到很強的隊伍發光發熱~
02/10 00:15, 118F
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