[外電] 30Q：老賈和烏錐誰該先發？

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30Q: Should Francisco Garcia or Beno Udrih Start? 30Q：老賈和烏錐誰該先發？ http://0rz.tw/Bbp2Y As I did last year, I'm presenting 30 questions about the 2010-11 Kings season in advance of the start of the preseason schedule. Every weekday from now until October 1, a question about the team will be presented here. Usually, my opinion will accompany it. Of course, yours will as well. -- TZ There are questions about the starting rotation all over the place. Tyreke Evans will start in the backcourt; that's a no-brainer, and a given. The likely frontcourt starters are Carl Landry and Samuel Dalembert to begin preseason, though few would be surprised if Jason Thompson or DeMarcus Cousins won one of those spots before the schedule tips off in Minnesota. Donte Greene and Omri Casspi are fighting, and will continue to fight, for the starting small forward spot. But perhaps the most intriguing and impactful decision comes at the second guard spot. Does Paul Westphal continue down the path set in 2009-10 and start Beno Udrih? Or does he try again to pair Evans with a two-guard and start Francisco Garcia? 如同去年一樣，我準備了30個2010-11年關於國王的問題，由今天開始一直到10月1日將陸續發表，通常情況下我都會附上我的看法，當然也歡迎你發表你的見解─TZ。關於先發陣容有許多問題，reke佔去一個後場名額是無庸置疑的，季前賽的禁區先發應該是藍錐和Sammy，不過如果小湯和表弟在季前賽就出現在先發名單上也不會太讓人訝異，小前鋒的位置則是綠卡之爭。最有趣而且最有影響的是第二個先發後衛的選擇，究竟西法會延續上季的陣容讓烏錐先發？或者試著在reke身邊擺上一個SG而讓老賈先發？ First, let it be said this is another decision which could play out during training camp and preseason. More precisely, Westphal could be looking to see how good Garcia looks. His brief run after recovering from a broken wrist last season hardly showed what El Flaco can do, and I know Westphal is eager to see the full assault of Garcia's skilled offense and energetic defense. But whether now or in October, the equation is pretty straight-forward if unresolved. Evans is a point guard or he is not a point guard. Hurf durf. Those who argue he is not a point guard correctly point out he looks for his own shot first, second and sometimes third. Those who argue he is a point guard must admit that's the case. And that affects his teammates. Players who cannot create their own offense need help, and there's no question players like Dalembert, Thompson, Greene, Casspi and in many cases Garcia fit that bill. These players will be better if a passer is putting them in quality scoring position. (Landry can create in the post, and Cousins is headed down that path. This doesn't mean those fellows wouldn't benefit from receiving nice passes -- Chris Webber could create, and playing with good passers always improved his production. But it means they could still produce without a Steve Nash-type out there.) 首先必須說這是訓練營和季前賽時可供選擇的方案，更精確的說，西法將會觀察老賈究竟恢復到多少，上季傷後復出的時間太短，老賈很難展現他真正的能耐，而且據我所知西法也很渴望看到老賈百分百的發揮，展現出他的進攻技巧和充滿活力的防守。我將列出一個直觀的方程式來看待這問題，不論是現在或是十月，只要這個問題沒有解決，這個方程式都派的上用場。 reke是pg或者不是pg的問題被討論到爛了，說他不是pg的一方主要論點是他總是進攻優先，這點連支持他是pg的一派也必須承認，這種風格會影響到他的隊友，有些球員無法自行創造機會需要仰賴隊友幫助，這些球員包括Sammy、小湯、小綠和卡卡，老賈也和這份名單沾的上邊，他們仰賴一個好的傳球球者來讓他的們表現更上一層樓。﹝藍錐在低位能自行取分，表弟也有這個能力，但這不代表他們不需要好的傳球，Webber也能自行取分，但和好的傳球者一起打球總能讓他的表現更好，以上只是代表即便沒有Nash這型的球員給予他們幫助，他們仍可以繳出穩定的成績。﹞ There is no question Udrih is a far better creator and playmaker than Garcia. No question. With Evans ailing, Beno produced 17 assists against the Clippers and 15 against the Cavaliers last season. Garcia has averaged 2.5 assists per 36 minutes for his career; his single-game high is seven (accomplished twice). There's no comparison when it comes to playmaking: Udrih has it, Garcia does not. But how much does an Evans-led line-up need that playmaking? If we assume Beno and El Flaco will produce the same individually on the scoreboard (their career per-minute scoring and shooting efficiency are fairly even), and that each spaces the floor equally, then each's value added on offense comes from the boost they give the other players (including Tyreke), most explicitly through their passing but also, in the case of Evans, through the acceptance of responsibility for running the team with some frequency. (That's a convoluted way of saying it's tiring to play point guard vs. shooting guard, so one would assume playing with Beno over Garcia would help Evans' lungs and legs.) So let's call this factor -- the impact on offense -- variable o. 沒有人會懷疑烏錐創造得分的能力遠優於老賈，上季當reke因傷缺陣時，烏錐對快艇和騎士分別傳出17次和15次助攻。老賈的生涯平均每36分鐘只有2.5次助攻，他的單場最高助攻為7次﹝兩次﹞，討論創造得分的能力，烏錐明顯大勝老賈。但以reke領銜的先發陣容有多需要另外能創造得分機會的球員加入？我們假設烏錐和老賈在個人得分方面的成績是一樣的﹝他們平均每分鐘的生涯平均得分及投籃效率幾乎相同﹞，由他們的傳球給隊友得分﹝包括reke﹞就加一分，藉此驗收他們幫助球隊進攻的頻率。 ﹝有些人對爭論reke的pg/sg定位感到疲乏，所以也有人藉此推論烏錐更能幫助reke紓解進攻壓力。﹞ 我們將進攻的影響力設為變數o.。 Then there's defense. Beno is one of the worst backcourt defenders in the league. No measure disputes this, except Beno Efficiency Rating, which rates Beno an A++ in defense. Beno is bad at guarding point guards, but he's worse at guarding two-guards. (And theoretically, worstest at guarding centers.) On defense, he's Mike Bibby, but handsome. (Never underestimate how difficult it is to take a clean jumper with Bat Boy staring back at you.) Garcia is perhaps not good or great on defense, but he's certainly better than Udrih in all facets of defense. Rebounding, getting into passing lanes, blocking shots, communicating, rotating, admitting fault (cue raising hand and knowing nod), clapping in opponents' faces. You could make the argument Garcia is a good defender, or that he's average, or that he's below-average. Regardless, he's better than Beno. There's also the matter of Beno having to guard point guards almost exclusively because of size, which forces Evans to guard shooting guards (bigger) or small forwards (biggerer), depending on matchups. With Garcia, Evans can take PGs, unless Garcia is a better matchup. Remember: under Rick Adelman, Eric Musselman, Reggie Theus and Kenny Natt, El Flaco largely played small forward. But he also switched onto small guards a lot. He's a versatile defender. So let's call this defensive factor d. 現在來談防守，烏錐是聯盟中最爛的後場防守者，除烏錐的防守效率統計，沒有任何數據能反駁這點，該項統計將烏錐的防守評為A++，烏錐守控衛守的不好，守雙能衛又更爛些，就防守而言，他就是另一個Mike Bibby，長的比較帥的Bibby。﹝永遠不要低估空檔跳投時， Bibby在你背後盯著你的嚇阻力。﹞ 老賈的防守或許稱不上棒或好，但防守面上他完勝烏錐是可以肯定的，籃板，禁區補防、封蓋、與隊友的防守溝通、換位、犯規時機的掌握還有激怒對手。你可以爭論老賈的防守究竟是好還是爛，但不能否認的就是他比烏錐好。我們將防守因素稱為d.。 Then there's the bench factor. If you start Beno, it follows that you'll likely need to play Eugene Jeter more. That could be a good thing or a bad thing. If you start Garcia, that likely means less Jeter, or more Jeter+Beno lineups, or more Antoine Wright, or more Greene/Casspi at two-guard. I'm certainly not sure which would be preferred from this angle, but it's present. So let's call the bench production when Beno starts variable u, and the bench production when Garcia starts variable g. So here's what the question boils down to: Is o + u more or less than d + g? I think the gulf between Garcia and Udrih on defense is so great that it'd be better bet to start Garcia. But Evans needs to prove a team with him as the primary and only real ballhandler can work efficiently. We'll see. 再來還有板凳的考量，如果讓烏錐先發，表示你將會看到Jeter有更多上場時間，是好是壞目前沒人知道；如果是老賈先發，Jeter 的上場時間就會縮減，或許是看到Jeter和Beno一起上場，或許是 Wright有更多機會，也有可能是小綠或卡卡打到SG這個位置，我不確定板凳因素究竟會怎樣呈現，這是我目前所想到的。我們將烏錐先發的板凳因素定為u.；老賈先發的板凳因素定為g.。我們的方程式為 o+u 大於或小於 d+g 我認為老賈和烏錐在防守上的差距太大，所以應該讓老賈先發，但 reke也必須證明球隊完全讓他持球掌控節奏能夠很有效率，我們靜觀其變。 The argument above represents a "should," for me. Don't dismiss that the Kings front office and coaching staff, seeking to prove Evans is indeed a point guard, will use other criteria. 以上為個人觀點，不排除國王行政人員和教練團衡量reke是否勝任 pg採用其他標準。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.167.191.245 ※ 編輯: kingpredrag 來自: 118.167.191.245 (08/24 20:35)