[外電] Step back from that ledge, my friend

看板Kings (沙加緬度 國王)作者時間12年前 (2013/07/06 09:58), 編輯推噓21(22121)
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http://tinyurl.com/n3lsza9 Step back from that ledge, my friend Tyreke Evans is being traded to the New Orleans Pelicans. The Kings will receive Greivis Vasquez. The Portland Trailblazers will receive Robin Lopez, who we originally thought might also be coming to Sacramento. Portland will send Sacramento two second round picks and cash considerations. This has all come as quite a shock to us. And because it's unexpected, there have been some rather extreme reactions. But let's all take a deep breath and look at what's happening. Tyreke Evans被交易到鵜鶘。國王收下Greivis Vasquez。 拓荒者隊收到Robin Lopez,我們原本以為他也可能會來到Sacramento。 波特蘭送我們兩個第二輪選秀權和現金。 這一切都讓我們感到十分震驚。因為它是意想不到的,已經有一些比較極端的反應。 但是,讓我們做個深呼吸,看看發生了什麼事情。 Cash Considerations While many of us associate receiving cash in a trade to be a Maloof move, it's actually a very common occurance in the NBA. This does not make the new regime equivalent to the Maloofs. So let's stop that rhetoric right now. 雖然我們很多人聽到收取現金就聯想到這是一種馬魯夫式的交易, 它在NBA實際上是一個非常普遍的現象。 這並不是說新團隊跟馬魯夫兄弟相當。讓我們現在就停止這種形容吧。 Draft picks Boo! Hiss! Second round draft picks, big whoop! Right? Well, draft picks are assets. Assets that can acquire other assets. Either by drafting players or by trading those picks for players. The Blazers just used those two second round picks and the oh-so-horrible cash to acquire a versatile center that many folks are upset wasn't included in the return for Tyreke. They have value. Plain and simple. 噓!第二輪選秀權,崩潰了!對吧? 選秀權代表了資產。資產可以收購其他資產。無論是選秀或交易這些選秀權。 拓荒者只用了兩個第二輪選秀權和他媽的現金就獲得了一個多功能的中鋒, 讓許多人都很不爽他並不包含在Tyreke的交易裡頭。 所以這選秀權是有價值的,就這麼簡單。 Greivis Vasquez Now we're getting into the heart of it. Is Vasquez a good enough return for Tyreke? Of course not. They are not equal talents. They are different. And to expect equal return in a sign and trade is just unrealistic. Vasquez is, however, a player who can help the team. The front office made the decision not to match the offer for Tyreke. They could let him leave for nothing, or they could get a player who can help the team. They chose the latter. I'm on board with that choice. 現在我們正在進入討論的核心。丟Tyreke換來Vasquez夠好嗎? 當然不夠。他們的天份不在同個水平。它們是不同的。 在S&T中期望同等的回報是不現實的。但是,Vasquez是個能夠幫助球隊的球員。 新團隊決定不匹配Tyreke的報價。他們大可讓他白白走, 或者他們可以得到一個能夠幫助球隊的球員。他們選擇了後者。我可以了解這個選擇。 Jose Calderon so the Kings tried to sign Calderon and he decided not to come here. These things happen. It's going to take time before the Kings are viewed as a franchise worth coming to. I find it funny that Sacramento isn't viewed as a good destination at the same time free agents are interested in going to Cleveland or Detroit, but these things take time. The perception will change. It just won't happen overnight. 國王試圖簽下Calderon,但他決定不要來這裡。這些鳥事就是發生了。 要讓國王被看作是一個值得來的地方需要時間。 讓我覺得可笑的是,Sacramento不被視為一個好去處,但在同一時間, 自由球員又有興趣去Cleveland或Detroit,這些事情就是需要時間。 認知會改變,只是不會在一夜之間發生。 Andre Iguodala They rescinded the offer. It was baffling. It seemed like a sure sign that the front office would match Tyreke's offer. They didn't. Doubly disappointing, sure. But we're four whole days into the free agency period. And we're still in the moratorium where no players can officially be signed. I imagine that the front office isn't done. If they are, I'll pick up my pitchfork and join your angry mob, but I doubt we're done. 他們撤銷了合約。這實在是令人費解。 它似乎代表一個肯定的跡象顯示上面的大頭們將匹配Tyreke的報價。 但他們沒有。非常地失望。但還有整整四天自由球員市場才真正開市。 我們仍在moratorium期間(*註)沒有球員可以正式簽署。 我想上頭還有動作。如果真的只有這樣, 我會拿起我的草耙加入你們這群憤怒的暴民,我相信我們絕對不只這樣。 (*註)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_moratorium#July_moratorium Tanking I've seen this tossed around here a lot today. Well, if acquiring second-round picks means you're tanking, then you and I have very different ideas of how a team successfully tanks. I'd strongly suggest reading Ziller's excellent piece on the difference between tanking and rebuilding. The Kings are rebuilding. We are still a bad team. We're a bad team with a lot of parts that don't fit together. You can't force them to fit together, we know this from the past several years. So some of those parts have to go. 我今天見過很多人說國王團隊根本就醉到糊塗了。 好吧,如果獲得第二輪選秀權意味著你糊塗了, 那麼我們彼此對於一個團隊所謂向下沉淪有非常不同的想法。 我強烈建議閱讀Ziller的鉅作,向下沉淪和重建之間的差異。 國王在重建。我們仍然是一個糟糕的球隊。我們是一支整合不起來的糟糕的球隊。 你不能強迫彼此不合的零件結合在一起,這些我們過去幾年就知道了。 因此,有一些部份你必須捨去。(按:Tank好難翻) Tyreke Evans Which brings us to Tyreke. I'm sad to see him go. I liked him as a player, and he was the best and most consistent player on the roster last season. I always wanted to see Tyreke achieve. He was such an important beacon of hope for us all for a very long time. It's going to be strange seeing him in another uniform. But that's an emotional response. The new regime doesn't have emotional ties to Tyreke like we do, and they didn't evaluate him to be worth a 4-year, $44 million contract. Or maybe they think he's worth that money, but just doesn't fit their plans for the roster. We don't know. We. Don't. Know. We need to wait and see. 終於來談談Tyreke。我很傷心看到他離去。 作為一名球員,我很喜歡他,他也上個賽季球員名單中最好也最穩定的球員。 我一直想看到Tyreke成功。在很長一段時間當中他是我們所有人希望的燈塔。 看到他穿上另一隊的制服很不習慣。但這只是一種情緒反應。 新團隊不會對Tyreke和我們一樣有同樣的感情,他們認為不值得4年4千4百萬美元的合同。 或者,也許他們認為他值這個身價,但只是不適合在他們的球員名單當中。 我們不知道。真的我們不知道。我們需要的是等待和觀望。 Conclusion We've been through a lot the past few years. We're used to being jerked around a lot. Kevin Fippin recently compared himself to a beaten puppy who cowers when anyone comes near it. We're used to owners screwing us over, promising one thing and then doing another. We're used to owners too cheap or management too shortsighted. So we're projecting that familiar vitriol at the new group. But it's been four freaking days. Rome wasn't built in a day, and the Kings' return to legitimacy won't be either. These things take time. Let's all just take a deep breath. 在過去幾年我們已經經歷了很多。我們已經習慣打擊。 Kevin Fippin最近把自己比作一個挨打的小狗,當有人靠近時就縮起來。 我們已經習慣老闆折磨我們,出爾反爾。習慣他們空空的口袋和短視近利。 我們將這種諷刺投射在新團隊身上,但這不過就是瘋狂的四天。 羅馬不是一天建成的,同樣地,國王隊也不會一天就回到正軌。 這都需要時間,讓我們深呼吸拭目以待吧 -- 其實重點在留言,國外的鄉民對這交易似乎不像板上這麼崩潰和憤怒就是了。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 1.172.91.10

07/06 10:04, , 1F
ESPN的Kevin Pelton在這則交易給國王B 拖荒者B+ 小鳥C-
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R.Lopez > Vaz > Tyreke 國王迷不用再傷心啦
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4年44億 難怪不跟XD
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※ 編輯: Gunsroses 來自: 1.172.91.10 (07/06 10:10)

07/06 10:11, , 4F
輸習慣就不會再崩潰和憤怒了
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ESPN專家吃屎吧 這評論也做的出來
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在過去幾年我們已經經歷了很多。我們已經習慣打擊
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馬的.....真是忠肯
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看完再去怒灌一次
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老實說...看完這篇文章我有一種被安慰到的感覺...
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其實我觀察到以前在臉書沙城市民喊交易TE的聲音也不算少,
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不知道喊的人是怎麼想的就是
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國王臉書裡面,寂寞的人氣蠻旺的,可惜打不出來...
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+1.........為什麼被安慰到我也說不出來
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恩 有關觀察到FB 寂寞的人氣頗旺+1
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就期待寂寞能像高富帥一樣爆發?
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我沒看過幾次寂寞上場 但也蠻喜歡他的 真希望能好好讓他
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打 另外可能國王常讓他參加活動比較親民吧
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Tank 意指故意擺爛 等選秀 的這種行為
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喔喔 感謝樓上大大
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乳摸:國王有興趣Darren Collison!?(後衛能打2桌麻將了)
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07/06 14:54, , 22F
要看傳出來的時間點,如果這是在TE走瓦斯來後傳的,在三號
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07/06 14:56, , 23F
位還沒補的情況又想要這位,新團隊被幹翻也沒什麼好同情
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Darren Collison's camp is getting tons of calls
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Spurs, Clippers, Cavs, Warriors, Kings
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everyone waiting for Howard decision to commit
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時間是今天凌晨4:38分(臺灣) 魔獸人生還沒落前
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神眼大 你可以開幹了....
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我先來 幹
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哈哈 真的想搞五小福陣容XDDD I 服了 YOU
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Vaz五月才剛動手術可能想買保險吧表示對現有的G都不信任
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沒想到馬魯夫兄弟洗白的那麼快...
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你現在知道為什麼馬魯夫願意賣給他了吧
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黑暗兵法 賣給更爛的團隊來造就自己的名聲
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推馬魯夫洗白的暗黑兵法!
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還有兩篇有沒有人有興趣翻
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在外面沒時間 如果明天晚上還需要我來翻
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羅馬不是一天造成的,現在的國王也是這十年造成的
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07/07 00:21, , 41F
我們該懼怕的不是輸球,而是不再懼怕輸球,成為一種習
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慣,球員是有分門票型球員和效率型球員,但我們甚麼都
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沒有了
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放掉這麼有天分的Evans....
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