[新聞] Walsh說會簽Chandler

看板Knicks (紐約 尼克)作者 (MOJS)時間15年前 (2011/01/06 18:36), 編輯推噓25(25037)
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原文:http://ppt.cc/jMgD NewYorkPost Posted: 12:46 AM, January 6, 2011 以下為新聞部分擷取: Walsh: 'I'm going to sign' Chandler to long-term deal 瓦許:我會簽威錢,跟他簽個長約。 Knicks president Donnie Walsh promised yesterday he will not let Wilson Chandler get away this summer. Walsh passed on signing him to a long-term contract extension at Oct. 31's deadline but claims he will not rue the decision. 瓦許昨天承諾他會留下威錢。 "Wilson's a restricted free agent and I'm going to sign him," Walsh said yesterday. "He's a helluva player." 威錢今年會成為受限制的自由球員,我會簽他。瓦許這樣說。 Chris Luchey, Chandler's agent, said he and Walsh were close to a pact before David Stern made alarming remarks in late October about cap shrinkage. 威錢經紀人,Chris Luchey,說在史騰宣布縮減薪資之前,簽約的事情滿有機會的。 "We have a great, open working relationship with Donnie," Luchey told The Post. "We did feel like we were close to having a deal done early on. We thought we were in the same ballpark on what his value was before the commissioner came out with strong statements. That kind of startled Donnie and got him to backpedal. "So we agreed we can play it out, knowing it could backfire in them having to spend more money if his value goes up," he said. "His value has definitely risen since Oct. 31. But my belief is Donnie wants to retain him, even if another spectacular free agent -- not naming names -- comes up." 上面兩段有興趣的自己看@@ According to a league source, Chandler might seek a five-year deal worth $60 million. 某來源指出,威錢的約可能會是5年60M,平均1年12M,比我想像中高一點。 Chandler is averaging 17.9 points and 6.5 rebounds -- similar numbers posted by Joe Johnson before he signed a five-year, $65M deal with Atlanta in 2006. 威錢現在的數據和鷹王JJ簽下5年65M的合約前差不多。 "I'm confident even if it's not there [ability to match], we're going to sign him," Walsh said. "That's our intention when the time comes." "Wilson has played at the top of the league in some games this year and [Tuesday] night was a good example, the way he played against a top team and they couldn't deal with him," Walsh said. "He was shooting well from the outside, his uncanny ability to change direction in the air. He's gotten stronger and become a better defender. His game has jumped a lot." "Everything's improved on Wilson," Walsh said. "His shooting technique has improved, his choice of shots has improved and the new players on the team have a lot to do with it because he gets better chances. The biggest change is when he gets to the goal in one dribble, he's such a great athlete and leaves his feet, he's up over anybody, and that separates him from a lot of players." 新聞中我比較喜歡看對話的部分,而不是記者自己寫的部分。 那些人自己講出來的話比較真實不會被記者加油添醋,所以我把一些對話擷取下來, 有興趣的可以自己看。 -- 這應該算是個天大好消息吧0.0 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.32.184.12

01/06 19:40, , 1F
很喜歡他!
01/06 19:40, 1F

01/06 20:14, , 2F
威錢今年跳投進步很多!!
01/06 20:14, 2F

01/06 20:44, , 3F
之前就有說過威錢一定要留~畢竟這種效率~個人覺得他不比
01/06 20:44, 3F

01/06 20:45, , 4F
小AI差~留是對的~嘎里那裡就拿去換好貨回來吧~不希望是MELO
01/06 20:45, 4F

01/06 21:02, , 5F
用1200萬續簽,那就讓他打先發,不要續約完再換甜瓜來,那
01/06 21:02, 5F

01/06 21:02, , 6F
別的位置都不用補了
01/06 21:02, 6F
不用擔心這一點,如果這一季沒有交易到甜瓜,又要續簽威錢的話,我們是沒有機會 在簽甜瓜的,也沒有機會和籌碼交易甜瓜。 如果新的勞資條款對受限自由球員的規定沒有更改的話,瓦許將匹配任何報價來留住錢 德勒。 如果老的勞資條款中關於允許工資帽以上球隊同本隊自由球員重簽合約的規定沒有被更改 的話,尼克斯就可以先簽下安東尼,再和錢德勒續約。 「就算我們沒有能力(匹配報價),我們也會簽下他,」瓦許說,「這就是時機到來之 時,我們的打算」。

01/06 21:48, , 7F
1年12M 太貴了啦
01/06 21:48, 7F

01/06 21:55, , 8F
很喜歡他...但也覺得有點貴
01/06 21:55, 8F

01/06 21:58, , 9F
推啦~不過真的希望趕快補個像樣的中前鋒來,很希望能看到一
01/06 21:58, 9F

01/06 21:59, , 10F
個會擋人、走位還有中距離不錯的中前鋒來支援阿罵
01/06 21:59, 10F

01/06 22:48, , 11F
其實文中有講到,本來尼克可以早一點簽威錢的
01/06 22:48, 11F

01/06 22:48, , 12F
那時候沒簽,現在威錢打得更好身價漲了
01/06 22:48, 12F

01/07 00:43, , 13F
不能先簽FA再續約
01/07 00:43, 13F
感謝提醒,不過上面那段不是我翻的,可是原文也有提到 補一句 應該可以先簽FA再續約吧? 只是空間問題? The Knicks can snare both if the old CBA has the same rule regarding teams' ability to exceed the salary cap when re-signing their own player. To do so, the Knicks would have to first sign Anthony, then Chandler. If the restricted-free agency rule is not altered in the new agreement, Walsh can match any offer and keep Chandler a Knick. 因為我當初也對這邊有點疑問,所以我沒放在原文當中,請hunight大大看一下。 就我知道的應該是兩個只能選一個.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQ8BbkIb_4&feature=player_embedded
順便補一個阿罵今年的影片,好像是官網弄得

01/07 09:00, , 14F
當初為了省錢挖 LBJ 所以才沒先簽,後來要漲也得認帳 XD
01/07 09:00, 14F

01/07 10:07, , 15F
威錢那麼搶手 值5y/6000w? 會是下一個Luol Deng?
01/07 10:07, 15F

01/07 10:55, , 16F
以今年的表現12M是合理,但若簽下來也沒其他錢去補強,希望
01/07 10:55, 16F

01/07 10:56, , 17F
8M簽下,其他錢補中鋒&經驗後衛,我想效果或許比MELO加入好
01/07 10:56, 17F

01/07 12:12, , 18F
以他今年的表現沒有不簽的理由
01/07 12:12, 18F
威錢數據是真的滿好的,我本來是在想差不多10M,而至於其他空間的用途,可能要 等評估完,有關MELO的事情,之後再來運用我們有的到期約來調整吧,Curry的11M Azubuike的3.3M Mason的1.4M,因為空間也不是說剩很多,要看看怎麼運用

01/07 14:14, , 19F
如果不用MOZ跟AR~ 如果能交易其實還有蠻大操作空間
01/07 14:14, 19F

01/07 14:16, , 20F
只可惜兩個沒上場機會提高身價~兩個都很有才華真的可惜
01/07 14:16, 20F

01/07 23:15, , 21F
Chandler沒續約是因為要簽Melo 和LBJ無關
01/07 23:15, 21F

01/07 23:18, , 22F
上面那段也非兩個選一個 規則不變的話兩者可共存
01/07 23:18, 22F

01/07 23:20, , 23F
12M......賭真大
01/07 23:20, 23F
感謝犬村大,我知道他文章是說兩個都可以 我只是說"就我認知裡面是只能選一個",所以這邊才會特別拿出來討論 因為他也沒說為什麼,可以兩個共存,所以我也不清楚 犬村大有空的話,解答一下吧 當初沒簽威錢是要為了Melo沒錯,之後12m的話..我會給拉不論是在表現或是薪資空間 上面,他今年的表現真是沒話講..

01/07 23:47, , 24F
解答不敢 是說這兩者可以共存有什麼疑惑嗎? 本就不衝突
01/07 23:47, 24F
犬村說的可以共存應該是指先簽Melo再續簽威錢吧? 因為上面 hunight:不能先簽FA再續約 這點我不太懂 如果說先簽Melo再續簽威錢應該是沒問題的吧? 那薪資空間上面是可以的嗎? ※ 編輯: MOJS 來自: 114.32.184.12 (01/07 23:53)

01/07 23:57, , 25F
在不考慮新規則的情況下 技術上是可以的
01/07 23:57, 25F

01/07 23:58, , 26F
但實際上因為薪資上限未知 所以我不能說到時可以辦得到
01/07 23:58, 26F

01/07 23:58, , 27F
當然我討論的事就目前的狀況,不變的情況下
01/07 23:58, 27F
我看了一下之前的討論,實際上Chandler佔的空間會比QO大,大概會到6M 那尼克薪資空間剩下11M,還要扣掉選秀1M,10M空間簽Melo後再續約Chandler? 還是說能夠給他16~17M的頂新在續約呢? 要有16~17M的話,不適應該放棄Chandler才夠嗎? ※ 編輯: MOJS 來自: 114.32.184.12 (01/08 00:00)

01/07 23:59, , 28F
這也是為何Melo想要季中就走 等到暑假不一定能順利轉隊
01/07 23:59, 28F

01/08 00:00, , 29F
新規則不變 但是薪資上限仍會變 所以我只能說技術上可以
01/08 00:00, 29F

01/08 00:01, , 30F
技術上要怎麼操作@@? 就自由市場簽 之後續約Chandler?
01/08 00:01, 30F

01/08 00:03, , 31F
是啊 這是被允許的 就看薪資上限會是多少
01/08 00:03, 31F

01/08 00:04, , 32F
實際上頂薪不太可能那麼高 如果薪資上限下修的話
01/08 00:04, 32F

01/08 00:05, , 33F
了解,不過就今年上限來看,尼克給不出頂約吧?
01/08 00:05, 33F

01/08 00:05, , 34F
我後來PO的那一段是對的吧?
01/08 00:05, 34F

01/08 00:08, , 35F
我看一下尼克的合約
01/08 00:08, 35F

01/08 00:16, , 36F
確實還差一些 (不過可以用些小技巧) 推文中補充大致都對
01/08 00:16, 36F

01/08 00:18, , 37F
嗯嗯,感謝囉
01/08 00:18, 37F

01/08 00:19, , 38F
那這一句"不能先簽FA再續約" 是不對的?
01/08 00:19, 38F

01/08 00:19, , 39F
我主要是想提醒 技術上可以 實際上要看薪資空間
01/08 00:19, 39F

01/08 00:20, , 40F
沒錯 可以先簽FA再續約
01/08 00:20, 40F

01/08 00:20, , 41F
至於M大說沒有籌碼換來Melo也未必
01/08 00:20, 41F

01/08 00:21, , 42F
因為只差一些可嘗試不對等交易 例如:Turiaf+AR for Melo
01/08 00:21, 42F

01/08 00:23, , 43F
所以也不是真的得湊出一兩千萬才能去換Melo
01/08 00:23, 43F

01/08 00:24, , 44F
我有說沒有籌碼換來Melo嗎@@?
01/08 00:24, 44F

01/08 00:24, , 45F
我的意思是 理論上可以先簽Melo再續約威錢 但那些情況不
01/08 00:24, 45F

01/08 00:24, , 46F
多見
01/08 00:24, 46F

01/08 00:24, , 47F
還是你指的是 在自由市場上?
01/08 00:24, 47F

01/08 00:25, , 48F
詳細等我翻一下薪資資料
01/08 00:25, 48F

01/08 00:25, , 49F
六樓下面那兩行 還是我誤會你意思了? @_@
01/08 00:25, 49F

01/08 00:28, , 50F
可是Turiaf+AR FOR Melo 差滿多的耶..這樣ok?
01/08 00:28, 50F

01/08 00:30, , 51F
我那邊的意思是 續約之後沒有辦法簽吧Y
01/08 00:30, 51F

01/08 00:30, , 52F
hu大想說的應該和我一樣 總之還是得等薪資上限和頂薪出來
01/08 00:30, 52F

01/08 00:31, , 53F
只是提醒"先簽Melo後續Chandler"這條路還沒斷 仍有希望
01/08 00:31, 53F

01/08 00:32, , 54F
因此Walsh去年暑假不能先續Chandler 先續了就更難簽Melo
01/08 00:32, 54F

01/08 00:33, , 55F
之前板友算說是213*3=639 新秀在100 空間剩10m
01/08 00:33, 55F

01/08 00:34, , 56F
我會覺得不行是因為10M太低沒辦法簽..
01/08 00:34, 56F

01/08 00:34, , 57F
213*3 那邊指的是Chandler 我也不知道怎麼算的
01/08 00:34, 57F

01/08 00:36, , 58F
不過疑惑大致上是解除了 謝謝兩位
01/08 00:36, 58F

01/08 00:36, , 59F
你說得也沒錯啦(我會說還沒斷也是因為我覺得頂薪會調降)
01/08 00:36, 59F

01/08 00:38, , 60F
213x3就是說要先佔前一年薪資三倍的額度
01/08 00:38, 60F

01/08 00:38, , 61F
如果最後空間和頂薪差一點 利用不對等交易是可以搞定的
01/08 00:38, 61F

01/09 02:19, , 62F
太貴了吧~
01/09 02:19, 62F
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