[轉錄][外絮] Kobe還能站在山巔多久?

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1DgOfaLf ] 作者: cat0806 (Cater) 看板: NBA 標題: [外絮] Kobe還能站在山巔多久? 時間: Sat Apr 16 20:24:02 2011 How long can Kobe Bryant stay on top? April 14, 2011, 2:32 PM ET By J.A. Adande, ESPNLosAngeles.com The time has come for people to think less about what Kobe Bryant has accomplished in the past and more about how those who come after him will measure up in the future. His challengers are scaling the wall of Kobe's castle. The question for these playoffs is how long until the perimeter is breached and his reign atop the NBA ends. Time is running out on his present. 現在不是我們去考慮Kobe過去取得的成就,以及在他身後追趕的後輩球員如何才能在 不久的將來達到Kobe般水平的時候。後面的挑戰者已經登上Kobe城堡的城牆了。 這些季後賽的問題在於,還有多久Kobe和他統治NBA時期才能被終止。現在我們能看到 Kobe上場打球的時間已在日漸縮減了。 We've become so used to viewing Bryant in comparison to what's come before. That's happened more than ever this season, as he's moved past the likes of Oscar Robertson, Dominique Wilkins and Moses Malone, all the way up to sixth place on the NBA's all-time scoring list. The real target was established the moment Bryant stood on the scorer's table in Staples Center last June and thrust the five fingers of his right hand into the air, signifying his five championships: Michael Jordan's six. 過去常看到Kobe被拿來和一些NBA前輩們比較,本賽季這種情形更是常發生。 Kobe的生涯總得分一路追過Oscar Robertson、Dominique Wilkins、Moses Malone等人, 名列史上第六位。去年六月,當Kobe站上Staples Center的記分台,伸出5隻手指代表 他5個總冠軍的那一刻,確立了他的下一個目標:Michael Jordan的6座總冠軍。 Even if Kobe reaches that plateau I doubt he'll be granted equal footing with Jordan. We don't like to alter portraits once they're hanging on the wall. I inquired to a Hall of Fame player, "If Kobe gets to six ..." and he didn't even let me finish the question. 即使Kobe能拿到6個總冠軍,我也懷疑他的地位能否與Jordan相提並論。 畢竟人們不喜歡自己心目中的神話被別人挑戰。我曾經詢問過一位名人堂成員這問題 「如果Kobe拿到6個......」 "Stop," he said. "Just stop." 『停!給我閉嘴!』 If he can't do anything about what's already happened he can at least have a say in what happens next. With Kobe it's always been about the past, always the precedent set. We never pause to consider Bryant's place in the future, the standards he's setting that others will have to reach. We're almost to a generation of players who were raised on Kobe and not Michael. They won't have memories of watching Jordan. Their attempts to view him in the past will be obscured by Kobe. Kobe will be their reference point. 如果Kobe無法改變已發生的事實,至少他對未來的事情還是有發言權。圍繞在Kobe身旁 的言論都是關於過去發生的種種以及先例,我們從來沒有去考慮Kobe未來的地位、他所 立下的其他球員必須達到的標準。我們這一代球員幾乎都是看Kobe打球長大而非Jordan。 他們記憶裡沒有Jordan打球的場景,Jordan的光芒將被Kobe所覆蓋,Kobe將成為他們的 參考點。 He can still click and drag his ring total to a difficult-to-attain place. Someone's always going to come along and score more. Kevin Durant has already scored almost twice as many points as Bryant had after four seasons. Kobe's already one behind LeBron James in the most valuable player category and is about to be tied by Derrick Rose. Just recognize this when it comes to Kobe and the MVP: He didn't want to win it this season. As tough as he can be to read (not even coaches or teammates know for sure what mode he'll be in at the start of a game) once he steps on the court he makes his intentions clear. During the All-Star game it was obvious Bryant had his sights set on being the MVP that afternoon. And he was. Kobe仍然可以將自己的總冠軍數量往上提升到別人很難觸摸的高度。有些球員一直在背後 追趕Kobe並砍下更高的分數。Kevin Durant前4個賽季的得分約是Kobe前4個賽季的2倍。 關於MVP次數,Kobe則落後了LeBron James甚至將可能和Derrick Rose持平。 然而對於Kobe和MVP的問題,你必須要明白,他這個賽季本就沒打算去拿MVP。一旦Kobe 站上了球場,他的目標就會清晰起來,變得很難讓人去了解他(甚至教練或隊友都不曉得 今天的Kobe會開啟何種比賽模式)。今年明星賽,Kobe很顯然就是衝著MVP去的,最後他 也拿到了。 When Kobe came out taking fewer than 20 shots a game this season, his lowest since 2003-04, he signaled that his regular-season numbers would be secondary to his playoff goals. He can live without a bookend Podoloff trophy. He'll go nuts if he doesn't get more rings. 當Kobe本季的場均出手數不到20次,是自03-04年來的新低時,這給了大家一個訊息: 為了季後賽目標,Kobe的例行賽數據可以擺第二;就算沒有例行賽MVP他也能正常生活, 但拿不到冠軍戒,他會瘋掉。 While Kobe is running out of time -- and it's imperative that he gets his winning in now before LeBron, Durant and/or Rose figure things out and grab control of the league for the next few years -- he can also put everyone else on the clock. LeBron's already 26 years old. If Kobe gets to six, then how many "prime" years would LeBron have left to match him? Eight? You can see the pressure Bryant could put on all the aspirants just from a logistical standpoint. And he never lets up, never stops trying to top himself, always seems capable of some new dramatic feat. Even in times when he is a topic of coast-to-coast discussion for something he says, as was the case with his use of a slur against referee Bennie Adams Tuesday, he has a way of driving the discussion back to his game, as was the case when he hit a last-second three-pointer to send the Lakers and Kings to overtime on Wednesday. Kobe的時間也所剩不多了,接下來幾年內,他必須在L.James、K.Durant、D.Rose完全 成長並統治聯盟前取得勝利。當然他也可以繼續保持下去。LeBron已經26歲了,如果 Kobe真的拿下6個冠軍,那LeBron還剩下幾年可以去追趕Kobe?8年? 你可以去想像Kobe給所有的冠軍追求者立下了多大的障礙,但Kobe並不曾因此停下腳步, 不曾停止嘗試超越自我。他總是有辦法去完成一些新的壯舉。儘管星期二時,Kobe對裁判 出言不遜,引起大家熱烈討論,但他就是有辦法讓大家將焦點移到他身上。周三對國王, Kobe的最後關鍵三分球將湖人和國王帶進了延長賽。 There's one more subplot in play for Bryant this postseason. Kobe has never lost to a team led by a star player who is younger than him. His playoff victors have been the likes of John Stockton and Karl Malone, David Robinson and Tim Duncan, Chauncey Billups and Rasheed Wallace, Steve Nash and Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. 另外還有一個本次季後賽的看點,Kobe從未在季後賽輸給比自己年紀小的球星所領軍的 球隊。Kobe季後賽所碰到的對手都是像John Stockton & Karl Malone、David Robinson & Tim Duncan、Chauncey Billups & Rasheed Wallace、Steve Nash、Kevin Garnett、 & Paul Pierce這類球星。 Duncan and Garnett are still around, but like Kobe their time is growing shorter. Durant has a shot this season. LeBron's out there. Rose might be ready. They'll get their turn at going at Kobe. The question is how high will he have climbed by the time they start their pursuit? Duncan和KG仍在聯盟活躍中,但他們也像Kobe一樣,打球時間越來越少了。 本季Durant強勢演出,LeBron聲勢依然浩大,Rose也已準備就緒。 他們都將接過Kobe的火炬,繼續閃耀聯盟,問題在於: 『當他們開始追趕的時候,Kobe究竟爬到了多高的位置?』 翻譯不合胃口請點原文:http://ppt.cc/eM1G -- Kobe:吾在泰山之巔,忽見你的天下是何等渺小啊! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.160.142.249

04/16 20:25,
kobe who?
04/16 20:25

04/16 20:25,
Kobe要變成參考座標點了 XD
04/16 20:25

04/16 20:25,
這篇讓我想到之前某篇陸文 什麼緩緩轉過身的那個
04/16 20:25

04/16 20:25,
0.0
04/16 20:25

04/16 20:25,
kobe就是他的球迷把他當神的那位啊~~~
04/16 20:25

04/16 20:26,
Kobe很強是沒錯,但這5個戒指的前3個有待審核吧 !?
04/16 20:26

04/16 20:26,
他不是早就在下山途中了= =
04/16 20:26

04/16 20:27,
比較像粉絲文...
04/16 20:27

04/16 20:27,
恩 粉絲文...
04/16 20:27

04/16 20:28,
湖2版無誤
04/16 20:28

04/16 20:28,
山頂空氣稀薄 跟丹佛一樣
04/16 20:28

04/16 20:28,
永恆的81分
04/16 20:28

04/16 20:28,
說Kobe下坡的人...可曾想過MJ在拿他第五座時
04/16 20:28

04/16 20:28,
有待審核很好笑 XD
04/16 20:28

04/16 20:29,
也有多少人認為他開始走下坡了,更遑論
04/16 20:29

04/16 20:29,
kb是單位了嗎?
04/16 20:29

04/16 20:29,
當初那三個戒指 人們稱他們為歐布連線 而非歐尼爾
04/16 20:29

04/16 20:29,
認為他強,但有可能達成二度三連霸?
04/16 20:29

04/16 20:29,
...是要審核啥 作弊拿到的嗎..還是籃球不是團隊運動
04/16 20:29

04/16 20:30,
的球隊 媒體報到也都以歐布連線又何拿XX分之類的...
04/16 20:30

04/16 20:30,
要審核啥? 就算是2也比0多呀..XDD
04/16 20:30

04/16 20:30,
Nash交易到太陽前,有多少人認為他還能維持得如此好
04/16 20:30

04/16 20:30,
Kobe已經到達酸民程度NO.1 前無古人後無來者
04/16 20:30

04/16 20:30,
FMVP MJ 6:2 Kobe 能追平我就承認Kobe神
04/16 20:30

04/16 20:30,
大歐後來又跑去和Wade拿一個...
04/16 20:30

04/16 20:30,
不然沒啥好比
04/16 20:30

04/16 20:30,
歐尼爾無疑是當時最具主宰力的球員 但是這並非當初
04/16 20:30

04/16 20:31,
前三個真的只能算大歐太強...
04/16 20:31

04/16 20:31,
然後再跑去太陽跟騎士 一個都沒拿到
04/16 20:31

04/16 20:31,
其他球員是龍套...
04/16 20:31

04/16 20:31,
AI從生涯7th開始便嘴砲說他走下坡,結果他到10年才鳥
04/16 20:31

04/16 20:32,
1 kobest=81>1 Jordanest
04/16 20:32

04/16 20:32,
要球隊老大才能證明冠軍純度 那冠軍戒發一枚就好啦
04/16 20:32

04/16 20:32,
太陽是隊形完全合不來 騎士時代已經老了...
04/16 20:32

04/16 20:32,
沒事給全隊發戒指幹麼? 反正貢獻沒老大多嘛~
04/16 20:32

04/16 20:33,
柯比的確是這時代的代表球星 沒人可以改變這個事實^^
04/16 20:33

04/16 20:33,
真的要比戒指 又要請威爾史密斯救援了 XD
04/16 20:33

04/16 20:34,
KOBE越多人讚揚表示越老了 唉....這就是球員人生
04/16 20:34

04/16 20:35,
當初一堆人覺得歐尼爾就是賣胖 結果現在一堆人...
04/16 20:35
還有 183 則推文
還有 3 段內文
04/17 00:10,
曾經在丹佛效力好一陣子的Billups也很持久
04/17 00:10

04/17 00:11,
記得之前看過有一篇Fisher的訪問,Fisher認為湖人三
04/17 00:11

04/17 00:11,
連霸時期球場上最強的球員是AI @@
04/17 00:11

04/17 00:14,
拉個人獎項來戰...就好比拿MVP數比一樣可參考但還有
04/17 00:14

04/17 00:15,
更多數據可以去佐證吧.像是馬大少的EFF就很高
04/17 00:15

04/17 00:16,
或是NASH的180.也都是不同種類的比較
04/17 00:16

04/17 00:24,
講這麼多還是沒解釋為什麼Kobe當年連頂尖都沒有
04/17 00:24

04/17 00:33,
KOBE2005年的時候只有第三隊
04/17 00:33

04/17 00:35,
KOBE大概2002年後就是聯盟頂尖的後衛了,至少也和TMAC
04/17 00:35

04/17 00:36,
真的很難溝通耶= =不跟你吵了,KB當年最頂尖最棒惹=)
04/17 00:36

04/17 00:37,
99封館那季 Kobe成績就開始漸漸打出來了
04/17 00:37

04/17 00:37,
和AI齊名,大概06-07年以後TD和大歐走下坡之後被公認
04/17 00:37

04/17 00:37,
優秀頂尖...就跟糗爺的靈性是一樣沒人說得準的字...
04/17 00:37

04/17 00:37,
為最強球員
04/17 00:37

04/17 00:38,
有必要為了這個吵嗎= =吵贏了會有批幣還是成就感...
04/17 00:38

04/17 00:39,
我可以接受van的說法,如果別人不接受我的"優秀"說
04/17 00:39

04/17 00:40,
也是沒關係啦...畢竟我要強調的是三連霸期間KB在聯盟
04/17 00:40

04/17 00:41,
跟其他後衛之間的比較,其實現在的KB也是在跟聯盟的
04/17 00:41

04/17 00:41,
後衛比較,只是換了好幾批的人了= =
04/17 00:41

04/17 00:44,
都算頂尖吧 只是當時鋒頭沒有AI T-MAC這麼健
04/17 00:44

04/17 00:45,
ˊˋ恩...看來我用得辭不好...真抱歉
04/17 00:45

04/17 00:52,
0607後也不到被公認為最強球員 畢竟這時LBJ 甚至Wade
04/17 00:52

04/17 00:53,
的個人數據都超過Kobe 不過團隊榮耀不能比擬就是了
04/17 00:53

04/17 01:15,
這真的變成一種宗教信仰了 還是少碰微妙
04/17 01:15

04/17 01:20,
也非什麼宗教信仰,尺度問題... 有些人覺得只要表現
04/17 01:20

04/17 01:20,
比多數人優秀就可以多讚美少批評,有人覺得只要不是
04/17 01:20

04/17 01:21,
最強那缺點被拿出來講也不應該否認,如果又講到其他
04/17 01:21

04/17 01:22,
球員也不是完美就覺得是轉移注意力,如此週而復始
04/17 01:22

04/17 01:28,
要講三連霸時期 大歐都說過最強SG是他隊友了...
04/17 01:28

04/17 01:29,
跟籃網打時 大歐說現在是地球上三個位置最強的人在打
04/17 01:29

04/17 01:29,
而湖人會贏是因為有兩個人在
04/17 01:29

04/17 01:30,
這樣講三連霸時期的MVP應該都在湖人和籃網才對
04/17 01:30

04/17 01:40,
這篇推文好有趣啊wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
04/17 01:40

04/17 01:45,
不可否認現役得分後衛中KOBE成就最高!!
04/17 01:45

04/17 01:51,
有夢最美....
04/17 01:51

04/17 02:47,
kobe 推一個
04/17 02:47

04/17 02:47,
借轉
04/17 02:47
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04/17 14:14, , 1F
kobe vs jordan = 張飛打岳飛... 時代不一樣 強度不一樣
04/17 14:14, 1F

04/21 22:37, , 2F
!!!
04/21 22:37, 2F
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