[外電] time for lakers fans embrace D'Antoni

看板Lakers (洛杉磯 湖人)作者 (qwe00)時間13年前 (2013/07/26 19:35), 編輯推噓36(36015)
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It’s Time For Lakers’ Fans To Embrace Mike D’Antoni I’m going to get crucified and called all kinds of names for this article, but hear me out. Was Mike D’Antoni the right fit for the Lakers’ team last season? Absolutely not. Would Dwight Howard still be in a Lakers uniform had Lakers’ management chosen Phil Jackson over D’Antoni? It’s very possible. Did it take D’Antoni too long to adjust his system to fit the personnel he had? Quite possibly. However, a lot of those factors aren’t completely D’Antoni’s fault. 我已經抱著被釘上十字架的風險 或是往後被貼上這樣標籤的作家 但請先聽我說完再釘我 冷笑話適合上季的湖人嗎? 很顯然~不是 如果禪師是湖人總教練 DH還會是湖人隊員嗎? 很有可能 D’Antoni 花了太多時間去調整他的系統 給每一位球員發揮最大效益嗎? 幾乎是肯定的 然而~很多問題並非完全是D’Antoni 造成的 You can blame management (you’ll all blame Jim Buss, of course, and I usually defend him but I won’t do that today for the purposes of losing all credibility among angry fans and the fact that I’m mad they amnestied Metta World Peace), but what they were thinking (it was reportedly actually Dr. Buss’ decision to choose D’Antoni over Phil) wasn’t completely off base. The Princeton offense Mike Brown decided to implement at the behest of Kobe Bryant was only working out for Kobe. At the time, he was shooting well above 50 percent, but Steve Nash was looking like Derek Fisher; just bringing the ball up the court to initiate the offense. While the Triangle and Princeton are different, the Lakers saw a need to allow Steve Nash to be the brilliant player he’s been over the course of his career, and more importantly, the one that was elevated by Mike D’Antoni’s system in Phoenix; and not an intricate system that may limit his point guard abilities. Obviously, the plan was for Dwight Howard to be the future of the franchise–not Steve Nash–but the year prior the Lakers already had an elite big man in Andrew Bynum, so while Dwight was an upgrade, he wasn’t that much of one compared with the level of play Bynum displayed in his best NBA season to date. 你可以責怪管理組 你可以完全責怪Jim Buss 通常我會替他辯解 但今天不打算這麼做 即便這樣一定會激怒廣大忠誠的湖迷 現在我正在氣LAKERS特赦了阿平 他們到底在搞甚麼 ( LA選擇冷笑話而不選禪師是大錯特錯?) Mike Brown的普林斯頓戰術 圍繞著Kobe打轉(24號戰術) 讓老科維持在50%的命中率以上 但同時 NASH看起來就像是以前老魚扮演的角色 > 只要把球帶到前場就夠了 然而 三角戰術和普林斯頓是不同的 整個職業生涯 NASH都是個聰明的球員 湖人也意會到了這一點 尤其太陽隊時期 NASH的能力在跑轟體系下完全釋放 是否該用一個複雜的新戰術來限制頂尖PG的天賦? 球隊上季把未來希望Bynum丟出去後 五號位升級了 很顯然 原來的計劃 球隊未來支柱是DH而不是 NASH 就算魔獸更好 但也沒比打出生涯最佳的BYNUM差多少 The biggest upgrade for the Lakers coming into the season was an elite point guard in Nash–something the Lakers haven’t seen since the likes of Magic Johnson–the upgrade Lakers fans had clamored for, for years, even though they almost got him in Chris Paul. Steve Nash wasn’t quite that, but he was still Steve Nash. The Gary Payton experiment didn’t work out too well under the Triangle, so that was surely in the back of management’s minds. However, when I–and many fans–was made aware that Phil Jackson was a possibility, hiring the coach with 11 rings to his name was an absolute no-brainer. At the same time, they wanted a coach who would be here for years to come, and Phil couldn’t have guaranteed them that. Nonetheless, when Dwight Howard indicated he wanted Phil, as the supposed future of the franchise, management should have listened. In the same breath, the horrible season showed Howard’s true colors as not ever really wanting to be a Los Angeles Laker, and exposed his true attitude in his first season. Essentially, Lakers fans may have dodged a huge bullet. As for D’Antoni, he was hired to implement his run-and-gun style of offense, so it’s not his fault he was paired with a team that’s older and suffered so many significant injuries. 去年最大的補強是湖人交易來了 Nash 在Magic Johnson 後 LA少見的頂級控衛 雖然一堆湖迷仍然吵著要Chris Paul NASH不足以讓他們滿足 但 NASH畢竟還是NASH Gary Payton不適合三角 是管理組在先前的經驗學到的事 當我和多數球迷一樣 希望見到禪師回歸 一個11枚戒指的教練 (只要看到 Phil Jackson 名字就完全失去判斷力了) 同時 湖人希望 新教練可以多待幾年 但肯德基爺爺不能保證這點 但是 DH表示他要禪師 為了魔獸人生不上演 湖人必須妥協 經歷了可怕的2012-13後 魔獸被打回原形草莓獸 還有"態度"在這季也完全顯現於球場上 湖人鄉民們 已經 "解雇"了 DH. 冷笑話被雇用的原因 是跑轟戰術 不過 一群跑不動的老人 跟傷兵滿滿的球季 並不是他的錯 Now onto the present. Dwight Howard is gone, Mike D’Antoni is still the coach, and Phil Jackson is likely never returning to the Those are just the realities, and we as fans have two choices: A. Keep chanting “We want Phil!” during games and calling for Mike D’Antoni’s firing or B. Come to grips with the fact that he’s not going anywhere–at least not next season–and be as supportive as possible. The decision has been made, and although he may not be the best coach out there, we’re stuck with him for next season. Now, if Carmelo Anthony is truly a possible candidate for the Lakers and they don’t feel Melo (or which ever other star player) and MDA will work out like they didn’t in New York, I’m willing to bet that the Lakers fire him next summer barring a highly over-achieving season. 來看現實面吧 魔獸走了 冷笑話還在 禪師看起來永遠回不來了 未來還是要樂觀看待 身為粉絲的我們有兩個選擇 1.繼續吶喊 "我要爺爺 " 直到Mike D’Antoni被解雇 2. 接受事實 Mike D’Antoni 哪都不去 接下來給予他最大的支持 事已成定局 儘管他可能不是最好的教練 但下個球季 我們依舊和他密不可分 如果 甜瓜(或其他ACE級球星) 是下季LA的選項 管理組應該不認為 冷笑話和甜瓜 可以忘記NY的那段恩怨 如果MELO真的來 我敢打賭 有人要被炒了 Many may ask why the Lakers didn’t fire him this season and try to keep Dwight. Simply put, the Lakers could have done that, but they would’ve wasted $12 million on a coach in addition to the amount of money they’d spend hiring a new one. Plus, the Lakers simply didn’t think doing that to appease Howard was worth it, and there was still no guarantee he would’ve stayed, among new revelations about what he wanted in his future as a Laker. For a player like Carmelo Anthony or LeBron James, however, it would be worth it and they’d only be paying out $4 million for the 2014-2015 season in addition to the new coach’s salary, if they were to fire him after next season (essentially cutting him loose one year ahead of his contract expires). Right now, the Lakers are restructuring and even if Phil Jackson rode horseback out of Montana all the way back to Los Angeles and said he’d come back to coach, they probably wouldn’t hire him; there would be no need to. Now, if he said he’d come back in 2014 and Kobe Bryant demanded it and it would help lure a big-name free agent, surely they would have to learn from their prior mistake and pull the trigger. 很多人疑惑 為什麼湖人這季不炒掉冷笑話 來留下魔獸 湖人是可以這麼做 那將會損失1200萬在選教練這塊 還不包刮新教練的薪水 還有 湖人其實也不認為DH有這個價值 即便真的FIRE冷笑話 魔獸還是不見得願意待在LA 下季 競標LBJ 或MELO時 再炒掉他也還來的及 只要損失400萬(2014-15的薪水)加上新教練的薪水 如果到時候真的不想繼續聽冷笑話 也只要損失一年薪水 湖人現階段楚於重建期 即使爺爺要回來LA執教 相信湖人也不見得願意聘用 (因為沒這個必要) 如果他願意2014球季回來帶湖人 進而可以促使KOBE 續留LA 換教練則會勢在必行 Personally, I feel that Kobe and Pau are still the Lakers’ best chance at success and they both flourish in intricate offenses–like the Triangle. However, Gasol will get many more touches and play more as a center next season, and Kobe can score proficiently in any kind of offense. For the purposes of next season, however, barring a complete disaster start for the Lakers, Mike D’Antoni is here to stay, so we might as well give it a chance and lay off the negativity. Lakers fans have done enough complaining for one year, and truth be told, it is one reason Dwight Howard left L.A. (Did you see the backlash he got after he left?!) At the same time, if you’re not cut out for that kind of criticism from the biggest market in the basketball world, you don’t belong here. Conversely, Mike D’Antoni hasn’t been phased by the negative scrutiny and has actually accepted the challenge head on, to his credit. 個人認為 KOBE和PAU 仍舊是湖人成功最好的選擇 兩人都有多元的進攻手段(像三角戰術時期) 下季GASOL會有更多時間打中鋒 老科可以有更多手段去得分 下季的目標 除去災難之星 Mike D’Antoni 還在湖人外 我們要停止悲觀 湖人球迷會抱怨一整個球季 然後事實將證明 魔獸的離去只有一個原因(你有看見DH出走後 任何哀嚎的聲音嗎?) 如果你還無法脫離魔獸離開LA的情緒陰霾 你必不屬於LA這塊土地 相反的 冷笑話 已經賭上他的聲譽開始準備迎接挑戰這個窘境 Back to the article, though. The Lakers are in money-saving mode, as witnessed by Metta World Peace being amnestied, so firing D’Antoni in favor of another coach likely won’t happen this year and wouldn’t make sense financially. The Lakers are gearing up to spend big in 2014 on free agents, and possibly on a new coach too (I had to throw you fans that bone). So, for now, it’s time that we actually embrace Mike D’Antoni and see what his system can do with a full training camp, a few new players, and an added sense of the players he has. After all, he did finally adjust his coaching philosophy and basically went against everything he likes to do with his teams; he slowed down the pace, posted the ball, and actually was successful with two low-post presences coexisting at the end of the season. It resulted in a finish of 28-12, and Pau Gasol was finally involved in the offense. D’Antoni even did a 180 on his stance on Gasol (after benching him) and realized just how skilled and important he was to the Lakers (he should’ve known Pau’s a baller, though).steve-nash-mike-dantoni-lakers Now, with Gasol as the primary low-post presence and the addition of some youth and quickness in Jordan Farmar and Nick Young, the team may not look completely different, but it will have a few added elements to it. If Steve Nash is healthy and Steve Blake continues the level of play he displayed towards the end of the season, it could be a very interesting one. 回顧作者的論點 湖人切換到省錢模式 (你可以從特赦阿瓶查覺) 開除D’Antoni這季必定不會發生 就花錢的考量來看 湖人打算在2014大進補 可能教練也會進補一下 (I had to throw you fans that bone)這句怎麼翻? 目前為止 我們要完全接受Mike D’Antoni 再給了他完整的季前訓練 而且補進了幾個完全是他菜的功能型球員 看看他能搞出什麼作為 仔細觀察 他還是調整了執教風格 調整成適合每個球員都能發揮的體系 減慢了球隊速度 球隊站位 還有開始使用低位 甚至同時讓兩名球員在低位也出現於上季末段 造就了最後的28勝12敗戰績 一改先前冰人 讓GASOL融入體系 對姊姊的使用方式也有了180度的轉變....(羞) 認清了Gasol的能力 對湖人對有多麼重要 而不僅僅是以前冷笑話+NASH的湖人隊 現在 GASOL有更多低位的空間 加上青春肉體 農夫 & YOUNG 球隊看起來完全不一樣了 可是還需要加入一個很重要的因素 >>>>NASH是健康的 外加 小黑有上季末的火熱演出 這些都有的話 下一季會將變得很有趣 Luckily, all three of the newest Lakers (Farmar, Young, and Kaman) took significantly less money to come to the Lakers knowing the less-than-desirable state they’re in, and simply knowing that although the aspirations for next season may not be as high as they were a year ago, they’re still the Lakers. They also came to the Lakers knowing that Mike D’Antoni is going to be the head coach, and have embraced that or at least accepted it. So, I say let’s embrace the coach and give him a fair chance with an assistant coaching staff of his choosing, a full training camp, and a roster that more naturally fits his system–at least going into the season, anyway. What better way to stick it to Dwight Howard than saying “Hey, we’re riding with the coach!” (Obviously after the fact, of course.) Now, if the team starts off 1-9, then I’ll be right there with you calling for his head, yet again. 很幸運的 我們新加入三位成員 Farmar, Young, and Kaman 願意領很少的錢(至少他們在別的地方能領更多) 因為渴望能在STAPLE CENTER打球 而願意比上一季領更少的錢 成為湖人一份子 他們也知道冷笑話是教練 盼望在Mike D’Antoni的體系下能夠 能夠打出生涯最佳 所以 我說 擁抱D’Antoni吧 給他個公平的挑戰 自己選的助理教練 + 完整訓練營 + 更適合跑轟戰術的球員名單 直到下一季結束 再來評斷吧 留住魔獸或是支持D'antoni?(事實已經擺在眼前了) 不論開季時球隊的戰績好壞 我們都需要他來帶領湖人開創新局 ==================================== 一直很想翻譯這篇 算寫的蠻中肯的 無耐文章太長一直拖 有翻錯請高手指正 話説國外鄉民很不給面子 直接在文章下回應 "D'Antoni suck" 哈哈哈 各位湖人版友 下周開始 翻譯將暫停四周 因為我要出差到芝加哥旁邊的威斯康辛 到時候應該會很忙吧 如果有時間會加減翻譯 九月見勒 Pau -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 116.59.235.132

07/26 19:37, , 1F
推~ Godspeed
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07/26 19:40, , 3F
話說普林斯頓不是老科提的嗎??麥布朗是擔屎的
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07/26 19:40, , 4F
LA的同事表示:都要TANK,當然支持D'Antoni。那些喊Phil的有
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07/26 19:40, , 5F
病啊。XD
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07/26 19:41, , 6F
MB 想換然後去問 Kobe,Kobe 支持他換成普林斯頓。
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07/26 19:45, , 7F
咦,上次看到的是KB想換,MB說不錯...(畫圈圈...
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07/26 19:51, , 8F
我記得的也是MB想換然後去問Kobe 這版本
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07/26 19:53, , 9F
http://lat.ms/1dZG0lf 我找不到開季那篇,Eddie Jordan 這
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07/26 19:54, , 10F
篇也有談到一點。
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07/26 19:58, , 11F
好文一篇
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07/26 20:00, , 12F
普你老母是MB提出來的 KB只是大力背書而已
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07/26 20:01, , 13F
Wes表示:勿忘我
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07/26 20:06, , 14F
讚 謝謝你 辛苦了!!
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07/26 20:08, , 15F
沒意外的話 蛋東泥應該下一季結束就會掰了
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07/26 20:09, , 16F
或是結束之前.....
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07/26 20:09, , 17F
姐姐絕對是下季戰績中很重要的一環
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07/26 20:37, , 18F
那句 總要丟些梅子讓你們解一下渴吧 這樣可以嗎?
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07/26 20:40, , 19F
這個陣容就有支持MDA的理由了,去年的...Phil會是比較好的
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07/26 20:45, , 20F
推推~~~
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07/26 20:53, , 21F
再給冷笑話一年試試看
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07/26 21:11, , 22F
普林老木 KB也是做得最好阿XD...
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07/26 21:36, , 23F
這作者真是無聊,也不想想Tex Winter退休後,禪師變的把戲
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07/26 21:37, , 24F
較少之餘,後來更是從頭睡到尾,通通給他忘光了~還當他是那
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07/26 21:38, , 25F
個在公牛OR或08年,會鞭策球員、譙Gasoft那位教練嗎?
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07/26 22:30, , 26F
throw someone a bone = 給點甜頭
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07/26 22:31, , 27F
I had to throw you fans that bone 照上下文翻,可以翻成
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07/26 22:31, , 28F
給你們這些粉絲一點遠景
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07/26 22:34, , 29F
下季MDA壓力比這季還大....因為該給的素材有了+有訓練營
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07/26 22:34, , 30F
是真的可以檢視他的功力了~
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07/26 22:36, , 31F
講禪師沒TEX就不行這種調調跟講MJ沒老皮就不能奪冠一樣
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07/26 22:36, , 32F
無聊
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07/26 23:07, , 33F
跟這種咖洨浪費時間幹嘛。
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07/26 23:23, , 34F
湖人會爛不是沒原因! 還給冷笑話浪費湖人時間 沒救了
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07/26 23:27, , 35F
果然有MDA跟禪師的文 某人就會自動跳出來放炮XD
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07/26 23:33, , 36F
國外記者都覺得mda爛了 只有瞎瞎品客迷 看不出來XD
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07/26 23:42, , 37F
真的爛也沒差阿,都說是強選秀年了XD
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07/26 23:56, , 38F
....只有我覺得蛋東尼上季還可以嘛orz
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07/26 23:58, , 39F
BIF還來喔
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07/27 00:21, , 40F
那我希望MDA的爛沒有極限 拿樂透吧
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07/27 00:40, , 41F
外國也有無腦鄉民 而且不是普通的多
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07/27 00:47, , 42F
而且他還是持續使用瞎瞎品客迷耶好堅持XDDDD
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07/27 02:06, , 43F
如果目標不是冠軍~~MDA的功力要滿足球迷應該是措措有餘
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07/27 02:06, , 44F
mda根本被kobe上季後半段爆發救了 沒進季後賽早掰了
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07/27 03:35, , 45F
BIF繼續罵 大概會永久水桶
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07/27 03:37, , 46F
並不是國外推文就比較好
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07/27 03:38, , 47F
偏激的外國人不少
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07/27 11:29, , 48F
第三句是說, "如果當初湖人選則Phil而不是D'Antony當
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教練, DH會續穿Laker球衣嗎? 很有可能. "
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07/27 13:05, , 50F
!
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07/28 15:46, , 51F
Bynum段翻錯了 原意是就算dh比ab好 也沒好多少 沒什麼差
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