[外電] CP3 for MVP?

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1FgEmVeY ] 作者: chieher (阿路加:我要去美國) 看板: NBA 標題: [外絮] CP3 for MVP? 時間: Tue May 8 17:49:16 2012 NBA MVP Race 2012: Chris Paul Deserves Basketball's Most Prestigious Award http://tinyurl.com/7rh97cn The race to be named the MVP of the 2011-12 NBA season has long been discussed as a two-man tilt between LeBron James and Kevin Durant, but what about Chris Paul? 2011-12的NBA MVP話題總是繞著兩個人轉:LBJ vs KD 小保羅呢? You know, the guy who singlehandedly transformed the Los Angeles Clippers from the laughing stock of the league into a team that nearly nabbed home-court advantage in the first round of the playoffs? 把快艇隊從大家的笑柄,拯救為季後賽雄獅的「那個人」 CP3 4 MVP Yeah, that Chris Paul. His presence has been the one significant difference between this season and last, between a team that lost 61 percent of its games and missed the playoffs and a team that won nearly 61 percent of its games and reached the postseason for the eighth time in franchise history, and only the fifth time since moving to LA. 小保羅的出現讓快艇有了巨大的變化 去年季賽快艇輸了61%的比賽,而今年他們贏了61%,並闖進了季後賽 Mind you, CP3 helped to engineer such a massive turnaround during a lockout-shortened season, with all of two weeks to get acclimated to his new surroundings in training camp before the 66-game schedule began in earnest. Chauncey Billups, his most accomplished teammate and a fellow newbie to the team, went down with a ruptured Achilles' tendon in early February, leaving Mo Williams and Caron Butler (fresh off an ACL tear) as the next-most senior members of the squad as far as postseason experience is concerned. Mr. Big Shot在二月初就因傷倒下了 Meanwhile, Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan, the two young cornerstones of the franchise, actually showed some signs of regression. Griffin, in particular, took statistical steps back across the board, most notably at the free throw, though he still checked in as the league's seventh-most efficient player (23.4 PER, according to Basketball Reference). Griffin 和 Jordan 事實上出現了一些下滑的徵兆,特別是 Griffin Griffin 今年的罰球只有 52.1% (去年是64.2%) Griffin's incompetence in crunch time left Paul to carry the load. According to 82games.com, CP3 averaged 40.6 points, 6.0 rebounds and 8.8 assists per 48 minutes of clutch time, which is defined as "4th quarter or overtime, less than five minutes left, neither team ahead by more than five points." Griffin 在關鍵時刻起不了作用,小保羅就只能擔起責任了 在clutch time, 小保羅的PER 48:40.6分 6.0籃板 8.8助攻 (clutch time的定義:在第四節或OT, 終了時間低於5分鐘, 任一隊領先不超過5分) But frankly, trying to make CP3's case from a purely statistical standpoint is a losing battle. Paul certainly has nothing to be ashamed of, not after averaging 19.8 points, 9.1 assists, 3.6 rebounds and a league-best 2.5 steals while ranking second in player efficiency rating, second in win shares, second in offensive rating and first in offensive win shares. All while finishing well outside the top 20 in the NBA in usage percentage. In other words, Paul did more with less than most. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What About 'Bron? LBJ 咧? Jeff Zelevansky/Getty Images LeBron, on the other hand, had a statistical season for the ages. The Miami Heat superstar strung together per-game averages of 27.1 rebounds, 7.9 rebounds, 6.2 assists and 1.9 steals on a career-high 53.1 percent shooting from the field. As far as advanced metrics are concerned, James finished first in PER, seventh in offensive and defensive rating, second in offensive and defensive win shares and first in overall win shares, all while registering the league's third-highest usage rate. So, from a purely statistical standpoint, LeBron was the best player in the league. LBJ的數據是毫無疑問的領先,如果由數據來看,LBJ是最好的球員 But "best" and "most valuable" aren't necessarily one in the same. The Heat were the No. 2 seed in the East last season, and are the No. 2 seed once again this time around, though their win percentage dipped (however marginally) from .707 to .697. 但是 最好的球員 最有價值球員 Surely, LeBron's efforts were highly valuable, especially given Dwyane Wade's recurrent injury problems, Chris Bosh's inability to do much of anything in the paint and the rest of the roster's general impotence. Still, in the grand scheme of things, James' play didn't do quite as much to move the needle as did CP3's. LeBron had another great year, yet the Heatles couldn't quite sneak past the often-Derrick-Rose-less Chicago Bulls to snag the top seed in the East. Also, there's no discounting that Wade—when healthy— played a huge part in keeping Miami at or near the top of the heap, a fact to which his PER of 26.3 (third-best in the NBA) is a clear testament. LBJ 今年還是很打得很棒,但熱火還是沒有幹掉公牛,成為第一種子 更別提LBJ 身邊還有一個 Wade - PER排名第三的球員 Making the jump from second to first may be tougher than going from 13th to fifth, as the Clippers did with Paul, but the sheer size of the gap closed has to speak to CP3's superiority, however slight, with regard to MVP candidacy. 要從第2升到第1,也許比從第13升到第5還難(CP3的快艇) 但這排名上的變動,也事關誰更有資格拿MVP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Love for the Durantula KD 咧? Ronald Martinez/Getty Images What about Kevin Durant, then? title by pouring in 28 points per game, with career-highs in field goal percentage (.496), rebounds (eight per game), assists (3.5 per game) and blocks (1.2 per game). Along the way, the Durantula registered the fourth-best PER, the 20th-best defensive rating, the third-most offensive win share, the ninth-most defensive win shares and the third-most win shares overall with the fifth-highest usage rate. KD 今年PER排名第4 As far as teammates are concerned, Durant had the privilege of playing with one guy (Russell Westbrook) who's one of the top-10 guys in the league, another (James Harden) who's arguably in the top-20 and a third (Serge Ibaka) who's one of the most impactful defenders in basketball. In total, OKC's win percentage jumped from .671 to .721, landing them second in the West behind the San Antonio Spurs. 但只要隊友是考慮因素之一,KD 隊友的優勢就很明顯 他身邊有一個聯盟前10的隊友(西河)、還有Harden和Ibaka From a numbers standpoint then, Durant falls somewhere near CP3, though Kevin's team that, unlike Chris', reached the playoffs in each of previous two seasons, making it all the way to the conference finals last year. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ultimately, Paul's case for the MVP can best be made like that of your typical Coach of the Year (not including the job Gregg Popovich did with the Spurs this year). Like a coach on an up-and-coming team, CP3 came into a brand-new situation, with a team that hadn't so much as sniffed the postseason the year before, and constituted a significant portion of the difference between last season's mediocrity and this season's meteoric rise. 如果 MVP 的產生跟 COY 類似,是看這個人對球隊帶來多大幫助,那CP3就很有機會了。 It's not often that a player wins the MVP in his first season with a new team, but with the way the Clippers have improved with Chris Paul in the backcourt, Who should be the MVP? 所以,MVP 該頒給誰? 1. Chris Paul 2. LeBron James 3. Kevin Durant -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 59.124.106.168

05/08 17:50, , 1F
應該是LBJ或KD
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ㄏㄏ
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KD for 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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4.Bobe Bryant
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給LBJ啦
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LBJ啊
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有魔咒
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非常同意這篇. 可惜投票的人最終還是會亂投
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CP3本季還差得遠
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LBJ拿的話 可能會破魔咒
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KD for 3!!!!!!!!!!
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CP3早該給他一座MVP了 太威了
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當然是林書豪 他兩次登上運動畫刊封面耶
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數據就最顯眼阿 畢竟很多隱藏價值很難表現出來
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cp3不是和書豪一個等級的嗎>////<
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快艇如果握cp3換成lbj的話,我想快艇會更強
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還不是08年摳比搶了CP3的 不然CP3早有MVP了
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影帝不是會幫助隊友~怎麼跟萎德同時上場好像?
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08年的MVP真的應該給CP3 而不是Lao-da
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那熱火把lbj換成cp3會更強嗎?這可就不一定了
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不過要是我選我會給LBJ
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季後賽不算阿 明年請早
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CP3缺一個MVP 但LBJ數據太可怕
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我確定把Chalmers換成CP3會更強
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08年黃蜂戰績超越湖人就會是Cp3的了 可惜沒做到
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Kobe黑走cp3的mvp
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CP3
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所以頒給湖人的領袖 同時也沒有拿過MVP的kobe
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111111111111111111111111111111111
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08年例行賽尾聲黃蜂對湖人 黃蜂自己沒拿下來 怪誰
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也沒黑走吧 就戰績論啊 那年湖人強過黃蜂啊
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KOBE又開始救援了 整篇沒kobe也能救援
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當然是KD阿 跟西河同隊數據還能這麼威
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08年給KB有什麼不對的 比戰績湖人>黃蜂阿
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08年給kobe對於那些專家來說沒什麼不對 但對於ptt
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專業的酸民來說 簡直大錯大錯...
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如果用隱藏數據的話 TP應該也要列入阿
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Kobe搶走CP3...?照你這樣說 去年我也可以說ROSE
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08年 CP3就是輸在戰績比人差 沒啥好爭的了
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還有 83 則推文
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黑艇還想出個mvp? 第2輪就掰了
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沒資格吧
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講得好像西區第一種子還是總冠軍一樣
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其實扣掉cp 快艇陣容也是內外兼備 況且季末戰績下滑
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一堆詹迷在自嗨.... MVP絕對是KD
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會是KD無誤
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當KD奪回得分王時 更加確定MVP是KD(沒拿MVP也是KD)
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「提升隊友」的講法太抽象了 PER還比較有參考價值
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LBJ
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08年老大就贏在戰績和少座MVP造神CP3還年輕...
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籃球真的有不少無法用數據呈現的東西
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笑死人了 某人自以為比espn網站還專業
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當然是書豪葛格阿 帶尼克進季後賽耶
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噓摳鼻黑走CP3一座MVP
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CP3真的強 不過第二輪應該還是過不了馬刺
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自以為專業的迷迷們~08年給科神也有意見~主觀意識
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裁判才是真正MVP
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CP3 關鍵時刻之神
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08年KOBE真的要感謝湖人GM和嘎獸
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為什麼會有人認為Kidd和CP3不能比?鄉民都太年輕了?
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去叫KOBE把08年MVP還給CP3阿
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光是LBJ有WADE這隊友數據還這樣真不知道有啥好選
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CP3下輩子吧
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CP3在NBA有創下什麼震驚世人的嗎??跟KOBE比~呵呵
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以CP3領導球隊與壓力下的沉穩度 絕對有資格是MVP!!
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哈哈 林書豪差遠了 跟CP根本不同等級
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下輩子吧 是有多強?
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上一次有PG拿到MVP是誰呀?這十年二十年有誰?
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↑去年的Rose阿...........
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LBJ+1
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純噓酸民跳針
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看看LBJ防守的位置 可以1號守到5號 CP3就輸死了
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把防守的價值跟彈性放上去 CP3完全就不用說了...
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光看到heat有LBJ+DW+CB 還贏不了公牛 就哭哭了
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籃球是teamwork 不是個人秀 誰能以個人力量讓整個
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團隊發揮最大效益 才是真正的 M V P!
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誰在跟妳比防守價值阿 沒辦法一個人打五個位置該死喔
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竟然有人說kidd的星度跟CP3不能比? 國中生嗎?
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LBJ
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