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※ [本文轉錄自 Cavaliers 看板 #1KN2-dRh ] 作者: kart (=\) 看板: Cavaliers 標題: [外電] 外電三連發(更多球員發言相關) 時間: Fri Nov 7 10:34:13 2014 Lebron承認自己有兩場球刻意打的比較被動 原文 http://ppt.cc/p3Df Lebron和KI在波特蘭一戰賽後有在休息室「交換意見」 原文 http://ppt.cc/Pw1B BR http://ppt.cc/Ue3f ESPN 另外很多人好奇的6次助攻到底有沒有破什麼記錄, 基本上很輕易的破了Lebron所在的球隊裏的最低紀錄, 另外也破了Lebron所在球隊裡的受助功率(30次命中,6次助攻, 20%) (之前最低值是29%) 六次助攻也是2003年以來(Lebron入NBA)全NBA第三低的全隊助攻數 三個原文我不照翻,節錄片段如下: Chris Haynes of Cleveland.com added specifically what James discussed with Irving: "LeBron James challenged Kyrie Irving to be a better playmaker following the Cavaliers' blowout loss to the Portland Trail Blazers on Tuesday, league sources told Northeast Ohio Media Group." 騎士官網的記者Chris Haynes說Lebron和KI在波特蘭一戰賽後的討論重點是 Lebron挑戰KI去成為一個更好的戰術執行官。 (譯按:很顯然KI之後的45分鐘0助攻說明了他的意圖...大屌不甩?) Skip Bayless @RealSkipBayless As I predicted, LeBron/Kyrie clashing. Kyrie averaged 17.4 shots a game last yr, - more than Westbrook. 17 last nite. Wants ball, shots. 美國NBA名嘴砲王Skip Bayless: 「就如同我預測的,Lebron和KI起爭執囉。KI去年每場球要投17.4次, 比自幹王WB的17次還多喲。昨天他也投了17次,一直要球,然後就射了。」 "I don't think Kyrie necessarily is ready to CHANGE HIS GAME for LeBron yet." - @WindhorstESPN #CavsConcerns 幾乎快變成Lebron的隨身記者的Brian Windhorst則說出了他的觀察 「我不認為KI已經準備好去為Lebron改變他的比賽了。」 LeBron James @KingJames In the words of the great @AaronRodgers12 "RELAX" Lebron自己則在推特引用了NFL Aaron Rodgers的話 「放輕鬆!RELAX」 Irving hasn't had an assist in more than six quarters, and he's taken 36 shots in that span. The Cavs tied a franchise-record low with six assists, four of them from James, against the Jazz. Irving已經有六節沒有半次助攻了,而在這六節裡面他投了36球! 騎士隊的六次助攻平了隊史紀錄,而有四次都是Lebron貢獻的。 "For us, it was a growing process that we have to go through," Irving said Wednesday. "It sucks right now. For us, we're still young, and I'm still learning what's going on." KI說 「對我們而言這是個成長的過程我們必須要經歷的。現在這情況很糟。 但是我們還很年輕,而我還在學習現在在發生的事。」 "Well, I mean, as far as [Irving's] scoring, it was big time. He made all the shots we needed to keep us in the game," James said. "He made some great plays down the stretch, finished above the rim. It was great." "You just can't explain [the low assist totals]. There's no way you're going to win a basketball game like that, just having six assists. ... We just can't win like that, and we got to figure out a way to help each other and not make it so tough." Lebron也沒有一直拿鞭子而不給胡蘿蔔,關於KI昨天的表現,Lebron說 「嗯,我的意思是,KI的得分能力毋庸置疑。我們需要他進的每一球 來讓我們維持比分差距不被拉大。他在關鍵時刻也做了一些很不錯的處理, 在球筐上得分。我認為這很棒。」 「低助攻數則是一件很難去解釋的事。你不可能在這麼低的助攻數下 贏得比賽。就只有六個助攻。我們不能這樣去贏球。我們必須要想辦法 幫助對方,而不是讓比賽變得更困難。」 "I can't put my finger on it but we got to figure it out collectively as a group," Tristan Thompson said. "It can't just be one or two guys. It has to be all of us collectively as a group, figuring out what it takes to play 48 minutes of hard basketball, playing with some heart, some balls and being ready to fight." TT對於只有六次助攻則說 「我想我不能指責任何人,但是我們必須要像個團隊般的去解決 這件事。這不可能只有一兩個人的責任。這必須是整個球隊的責任。 去了解如何在48分鐘裡面都打出高水準的比賽,有心,有責任, 準備好去戰鬥。」 "We got a little bit of clarity but we still got to -- me, personally -- I still got to figure out ways to get my teammates involved, too," James said. " 'Cause it just can't be a one-, two- or three-man show. We have to do it together." Lebron繼續說 「我們這場比賽有些許清楚我們該往什麼方向走,但是我們還是有.... 嗯,尤其是我自己,我還是必須要去了解如何讓我的隊友們能跟我 站在同一陣線。因為要贏球,我們不能打一人,二人或是三人籃球。 我們必須要打團隊籃球。」 LeBron James admits to being "passive" in the Cleveland Cavaliers' two losses in the early season compared to how he played in the team's lone win. However, James said it won't help his team in the long run if he simply chooses to carry them to victories in the interim. Lebron承認他在兩場輸球的比賽裡打得被動。 但是也強調如果是靠他一己之力去翻盤,這對騎士隊而言也不是 什麼好事。 "It's a fine line," James said before the Cavs' third loss of the season, 102-100 to the Utah Jazz on Wednesday. "I've had two games where I've played a little passive and been more of a set-up guy and it's resulted in two losses. And I've had a game where I've been very aggressive and we won. Is winning the ultimate thing? Or us being the best (team) we can be (as a whole) or winning one game? It's something that's going on in my mind right now, I'm trying to figure out. I definitely can't go into a game having 12 shot attempts. That's me personally." Lebron說 「這是一條界限模糊的線,我有兩場球打得被動,試著想要做一個 工具人幫助球隊,然而我們兩場比賽都輸了。我也有一場球打的很 主動,而我們贏了。贏球是否是最重要的呢?或是讓我們球隊成為 更好的球隊?還是就為了贏一場球?我現在想的就是這碼子事,而我 試著想要找出最好的方法。是的,我顯然不能再一場球只投12球。 這是我的錯。」 (譯按:某種程度解釋了MVPArtest幹剿的點?) While Cleveland coach David Blatt said it was the team's responsibility, not James', to get the four-time MVP more involved in the offense with better opportunities, he also said James' aggressive approach against the Bulls was "more of what we need," than him deferring. 教練Blatt認為輸球自然是全隊的責任,不是Lebron一個人的。並且認為 球隊應該要讓Lebron在進攻端上有更好的出手機會。但是他也說LBJ 在公牛戰的打法是現階段我們需要的。 (譯按:感覺Blatt和LBJ需要溝通啊....=.=) "I don't know if the guys saw (my quotes) but I continue to preach it and they will get it," James said. "No need (to address them). Coach had enough and said enough and everyone gave their two cents. It's not the time for it." 關於Lebron的「壞習慣」一說有沒有跟隊友說過.... 「我不知道這些傢伙有沒有看到我的發言,但是這是我一直在強調的 而我相信他們會知道我在說什麼。不需要特地去跟他們講。教練已經 有夠多東西要搞了,也說了很多,而每個人也都有自己的意見。 現在還不是去搞隊內會議的時候。」 Blatt was asked how he planned to break the bad habits that James was referring to. "You got kids? Then you know the answer," Blatt said to a reporter. "I got four, I taught a lot of them. You watch. You show. You speak. You use examples. You hug. You never hit. But you do admonish. How's that?" Blatt被問到要如何破除Lebron說的壞習慣時做了如下的回答: 「你們有小孩嗎?你有你就知道答案啦。我有四個娃,我教了他們很多。 你看著他們。你以身作則。你訓話。你擁抱。你從不體罰。但是 你要適時懲戒。你覺得如何?」 When asked if he is on the same page as his coach, James said "I would hope," but added that he didn't confer with Blatt before offering up his assessment of what is ailing the Cavs so far. "I didn't look for his guidance," James said. "I just spoke what I believe in and what I think will help our team in the long run." James continued to spread his message before the Jazz game. "The day-to-day process will be a as good or as bad as we want it to be depending on how much we buy in," he said. 當Lebron被問到和他的教練是否溝通無礙站在同一陣線時,他說 我希望是。不過也承認他在發言前並不會去取得Blatt的同意。 「我並不需要他的提點,我只是講出我的信仰並且我認為會在長遠 上能幫助我們球隊的事。」 「這個過程可以很棒也可以很糟,這完全取決于我們相不相信 (該如何打正確籃球)。」 James said there was one major distinction between the scrutiny the Heat received back in 2010-11 and what the Cavs are experiencing now, however. "More anger behind the questions (in Miami)," James said, looking around at the throng of reporters assembled in front of him. "Absolutely." 當Lebron被記者問道比照當年熱火和現在騎士遇到的困難時,Lebron 看了包圍他的記者一眼後說 「在熱火時每個問句背後都隱藏了不少殺氣...這絕對跟現在不同」 ========================================================= 心得: 1. KI似乎不是很受教?也在他這兩場打法上顯現出來。 雖然之前沒有每場follow,但是有看過他的比賽印象中也沒有那麼獨。 更別提在Team USA時他的控場能力堪稱一流,現在怎麼變成敗球王? 還是他也有什麼message要傳送給老大哥們就不得而知了?? 2. Lebron和Blatt應該要有更多溝通,Lebron的確是用大哥的姿態 在調教小弟,不論打得被動讓小朋友自己摔倒才知道痛,還是 靠自己之力硬上。Lebron也是很不服輸的人,我是不相信它會讓騎士 一直輸下去。但是我也感覺的出來他的矛盾,他認為靠他像以前一樣 騎士不會有進步。要進步,Love和K的心態要能跟Wade還有Bosh比擬。 LKK賬面上不輸當時的LCD太多,但是成熟度差太多。 LCD基本上三個人也都一直在同一陣線, 我現在最擔心的就是騎士因為階級明顯,會不會有小圈圈出現? KI掛 vs LBJ掛.... 那就真的毀了。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 72.34.128.250 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Cavaliers/M.1415327655.A.6EB.html

11/07 10:43, , 1F
KI真的挺獨的 不過KI還年輕當打之年
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11/07 10:43, , 2F
能理解他不想為了任何人改變打法的心態
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11/07 10:44, , 3F
不知道LBJ有沒有辦法變成空手切之王 雖然很浪費...
11/07 10:44, 3F

11/07 10:44, , 4F
但從熱火時代LBJ空手切的比率似乎不高 至少增加點
11/07 10:44, 4F

11/07 10:52, , 5F
KI是個聰明人,現在只看他願不願意改變而已...
11/07 10:52, 5F

11/07 10:52, , 6F
KI如果也逆向傳送message,一定亂精彩一把的~_~
11/07 10:52, 6F

11/07 10:53, , 7F
數據刷的再好看,球隊無法得到勝利也是白搭
11/07 10:53, 7F

11/07 10:57, , 8F
真不知道KI在想甚麼 不是說他幹球不行 幹球前先傳阿
11/07 10:57, 8F

11/07 11:32, , 9F
在這樣下去,可以考慮交易他了...包括DW也是
11/07 11:32, 9F

11/07 11:38, , 10F
又不是2k 動不動就在說交易誰zzz
11/07 11:38, 10F

11/07 11:56, , 11F
你要LBJ變成空切之王不是不可能的事情
11/07 11:56, 11F

11/07 11:57, , 12F
上面外電都有說到LBJ試著讓自己變成工具人
11/07 11:57, 12F

11/07 11:57, , 13F
但就算他變成空切之王 沒人組織沒人傳球 球沒輪轉 切啥?
11/07 11:57, 13F

11/07 11:58, , 14F
讓你KI主導不是要你拿到球自己立馬單打掉啊....
11/07 11:58, 14F

11/07 11:58, , 15F
KI給他自幹好幾年了 要改太難...
11/07 11:58, 15F

11/07 11:58, , 16F
那其他場上四人不就變成NFL的防守組而已....
11/07 11:58, 16F

11/07 12:00, , 17F
不是說KI不能進攻 CP3進攻也很強但每場還能傳出10次助攻
11/07 12:00, 17F

11/07 12:01, , 18F
要是真的這樣我覺得LBJ打法就會自己調整了
11/07 12:01, 18F

11/07 12:03, , 19F
推J大,我覺得昨天其實滿明顯的如果LBJ持球有人「願意」
11/07 12:03, 19F

11/07 12:03, , 20F
切過來,LBJ都會想辦法傳球給切進來的人(即使有些時候機
11/07 12:03, 20F

11/07 12:03, , 21F
會不是太好),KI就真的幾乎都自己打掉,雖然昨天命中率不
11/07 12:03, 21F

11/07 12:04, , 22F
錯,但是他一開始運球,就是單打的節奏....
11/07 12:04, 22F

11/07 12:04, , 23F
我覺得LBJ回來不是說他是老鳥就要霸佔球權或是變成當家
11/07 12:04, 23F

11/07 12:06, , 24F
KI能否聰明打球 分享球 適時組織攻防這才是關鍵....
11/07 12:06, 24F

11/07 12:08, , 25F
當初熱火三王合體四年 平均每人得分都還能來到20分左右
11/07 12:08, 25F

11/07 12:10, , 26F
去年KI和DW也是球權分配問題,現在換個牌子更大的來
11/07 12:10, 26F

11/07 12:12, , 27F
KI處理球的方式還是一樣...讓我們繼續看下去吧XD
11/07 12:12, 27F

11/07 12:13, , 28F
KI如能成長到平均21分8助攻2抄截4成7命中就超級巨星啦XD
11/07 12:13, 28F

11/07 12:13, , 29F
其實我覺得球權分配不是問題耶 e大....
11/07 12:13, 29F

11/07 12:14, , 30F
現在擺明LBJ就是要KI拿球能主導 這已經是願意將球權給你
11/07 12:14, 30F

11/07 12:14, , 31F
問題是你有球權後的處理球方式啊....
11/07 12:14, 31F

11/07 12:16, , 32F
J大,我沒有表達清楚,我的意思其實就是跟你的一樣
11/07 12:16, 32F

11/07 12:17, , 33F
球給你控沒問題,但不能每球都是轉啊轉自己投...
11/07 12:17, 33F

11/07 12:17, , 34F
推~ 其實就是KI可以主導 但是要往效率高的方向發展
11/07 12:17, 34F

11/07 12:19, , 35F
KI這樣打永遠也就是季後賽處男阿
11/07 12:19, 35F

11/07 12:21, , 36F
不會是季後賽處男啦XDXD
11/07 12:21, 36F

11/07 12:21, , 37F
以現在的東區跟現在的騎士隊 要進入季後賽真的不難
11/07 12:21, 37F

11/07 12:25, , 38F
KI如果自幹個40分六成命中率大勝我就沒話說..輸球就..
11/07 12:25, 38F

11/07 12:26, , 39F
應該說想證明自己沒錯 至少先讓人看到能贏球吧
11/07 12:26, 39F
還有 41 則推文
11/07 21:56, , 81F
希望這幾個月都把球員最醜的一面展現出來,認真檢討
11/07 21:56, 81F

11/07 21:56, , 82F
本來就是抱著成仁的心態去回饋鄉里的,勇敢的返鄉的
11/07 21:56, 82F

11/07 21:57, , 83F
重點是能把贏球、正確的打球氣氛,交給這群習慣輸球的年輕人
11/07 21:57, 83F

11/07 22:11, , 84F
LBJ的跑動必須要有配合的 有人硬是不跑 就等於沒用
11/07 22:11, 84F

11/07 22:12, , 85F
但主要跑動的人還是Wade
11/07 22:12, 85F

11/07 22:23, , 86F
同意 看比賽就很清楚 因為KI想單打 其他人跑動就沒
11/07 22:23, 86F

11/07 22:23, , 87F
意思 久了就不想跑了 總歸就是不要再獨了!!
11/07 22:23, 87F

11/07 22:49, , 88F
我想重點還是KI跟Waiters自己的心態與調整吧
11/07 22:49, 88F

11/07 22:50, , 89F
有救沒救就讓我們持續看下去XD
11/07 22:50, 89F

11/07 22:51, , 90F
Waiters其實可以參考哈登登的例子....
11/07 22:51, 90F

11/07 22:51, , 91F
人家在雷霆打第六人打出身價來 火箭簽過去還不是領高薪
11/07 22:51, 91F

11/07 22:52, , 92F
KI前幾年再怎樣自幹也就是那個平均20分左右的得分
11/07 22:52, 92F

11/07 22:52, , 93F
現在LBJ LV來了不代表他得分得要從20分降到10分啊...
11/07 22:52, 93F

11/07 22:54, , 94F
現在出少也許會少些但是拉高自己的效率 平均還是能維持
11/07 22:54, 94F

11/08 02:40, , 95F
KI看起來很怕自己的數據掉很多,才會有機會拿球就想自幹先
11/08 02:40, 95F

11/08 02:42, , 96F
Wade的空切得分去年就有7xx分,第二名只有6xx分,他的確是空
11/08 02:42, 96F

11/08 02:43, , 97F
切之神,LBJ在熱火後面幾年的空切也有增加,只是打半場時他
11/08 02:43, 97F

11/08 02:44, , 98F
還是主要的攻勢發動機所以比率並沒有非常高,不過話說回來,
11/08 02:44, 98F

11/08 02:44, , 99F
空切也跟持球者的默契很有關係,目前看來只有LBJ-大V有
11/08 02:44, 99F

11/08 02:49, , 100F
熱火DW 騎士DW
11/08 02:49, 100F

11/08 08:31, , 101F
我的意思就是如上面k大,熱火比賽看得不多,但我覺得
11/08 08:31, 101F

11/08 08:32, , 102F
這四年來James攻擊模式改變最少,至少他還是個高使用
11/08 08:32, 102F

11/08 08:32, , 103F
率和高觸球的所謂攻勢發動機,亦即他還是有球打法遠
11/08 08:32, 103F

11/08 08:33, , 104F
多過無球走位很多的球員
11/08 08:33, 104F

11/08 08:34, , 105F
但回到老議題,不可能巨星合體後還都維持高使用率,
11/08 08:34, 105F

11/08 08:35, , 106F
那所謂平衡狀態是什麼?跟四年前一樣讓其他兩人轉變
11/08 08:35, 106F

11/08 08:36, , 107F
打法降低使用率,還是三人一起做他所謂的犧牲?
11/08 08:36, 107F

11/08 08:37, , 108F
昨天忍著看完爵士那場,其實KI和James在前段輪流單打
11/08 08:37, 108F

11/08 08:38, , 109F
時的成功率其實不錯,但其實KI-Love或是KI-V是有配合
11/08 08:38, 109F

11/08 08:39, , 110F
的,至少打擋拆是很有傳球意識的,另外一邊James和V
11/08 08:39, 110F

11/08 08:40, , 111F
也同樣是有配合的,但就是KI-James之間完全斷線,少
11/08 08:40, 111F

11/08 08:41, , 112F
有攻擊回合是在兩者互相利用所謂有球和無球給彼此的
11/08 08:41, 112F

11/08 08:41, , 113F
幫助完成一次進攻
11/08 08:41, 113F

11/08 09:27, , 114F
KI和內線的配合這幾場其實比例還是很低,比他自己以前還
11/08 09:27, 114F

11/08 09:28, , 115F
低,所以才會讓人有他是不是怕數據掉所以有機會拿球就選
11/08 09:28, 115F

11/08 09:28, , 116F
擇自幹先?當然才四場還早,希望不是這樣囉
11/08 09:28, 116F

11/08 09:29, , 117F
另外這次要推一下hssz,他說的LBJ打法的確就是這樣,到去
11/08 09:29, 117F

11/08 09:30, , 118F
年其實他基本上進攻持球率很低,跟四年前在騎士前有天壤
11/08 09:30, 118F

11/08 09:30, , 119F
之別也不為過(以持球時間而論)
11/08 09:30, 119F
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