[翻譯] A bridge too far(1-1)

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慶祝出水桶第一po 這是Zito投球動作分析的第一篇 另外第四篇(最後一篇)我也已經翻譯了,有興趣的自己去爬文 http://tinyurl.com/6ahsha by Paul Nyman April 11, 2008 "A Bridge Too Far" is a 1977 movie about Operation Market Garden, a failed attempt by the Allies in the latter stages of World War II to end the fighting quickly by securing three bridges in Holland, allowing them access over the Rhine into Germany. A combination of poor Allied intelligence and two crack German Panzer divisions meant that the final part of this operation (the bridge in Arnhem over the Rhine) was doomed to failure. Barry Zito’s lost fastball became my bridge too far. That's how I felt in attempting to write this, my first article for The Hardball Times. Every time I tried to attack it, I was repulsed by credibility issues. I could not, in a single article, deploy the necessary reserves of information and knowledge that I believed necessary to successfully achieve my objective. My 15 years of experience dealing with how the body throws the baseball kept telling me I was reaching beyond what is accepted as "good pitching mechanics knowledge." Every attempt to achieve my objective was blocked by entrenched pitching mechanics ignorance and culture. The amount of reader preparation necessary to establish overwhelming credibility would push the supply lines of throwing mechanics information far beyond the breaking point and doom the article to failure. To back up: On the first day of the new season, Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti said he was tired of addressing the diminishing difference in velocity between Zito's fastball and curve. "It's been going on a year and a half now. They're always asking me the same questions," Righetti said. "I don't mean to blow you off, but I can't help you. " The person closest to Zito’s problem and believed by the Giants to be the person most capable of fixing Zito’s problem cannot. Who am I (or anyone else for that matter) to believe I can see what they cannot and explain why Zito's fastball has disappeared? And, possibly even more unbelievable, who am I to explain how Zito can get his fastball back again even better than it was before he lost it? My interest in the way Zito throws began in 1998, when Zito was touted as a prodigy of the then-popular pitching mechanics guru Dick Mills. The following is from Mills' Website: Here's what the dad of Oakland Athletics first round pick Barry Zito had to say about the program back in June of 1997 when Barry was still in junior college. Barry signed for a $1.56 million bonus in June of 1999 and is a rookie sensation in the big leagues right now. Many of the major league scouts who scout him on a daily basis often comment and compliment him on his highly productive and professional pitching mechanics. He does not hesitate to tell them that he learned all of his upper level pitching skills from your videos, teaching materials and monthly newsletter, and additionally, from the many extremely informative one-on-one telephone calls that he has had with you whenever things seem to get out-of-whack. We can honestly say that the several hundred dollars we spent on your entire program has brought more financial rewards to our son and this family than we could ever have imagined. To this day, that expenditure stands out as the best and most productive thing we have ever done with our money. —Joe Zito, Encino, CA From 1998-2004 I wrote numerous pieces at the SETPRO training forum to debunk much of what Mills and others were touting as “good” pitching mechanics. Fortunately for today's young players, Mills is a footnote in pitching mechanics history. I have always struggled with this question: How can you say a pitcher has good mechanics when that pitcher, 6-foot-4 and 200 pounds, is unable to break 90 mph ? That was the question I was (still am) asking about pitchers such as Barry Zito. It's important to understand that I differentiate pitching from throwing. You can throw a baseball without pitching it, but you can't pitch a baseball without throwing it. Therefore, I view throwing efficiency as being an integral part of attaining high level pitching prowess. I also will be the first to say that many pitchers, especially left handers, can have less than optimal throwing efficiencies and still be successful. Pitching is doing all the things that are necessary to defeat the batter. That includes not only throwing the baseball, but also attacking and deceiving the batter. “Simply because it allows the pitcher to make more mistakes and still get the batter out.” This was John Schuerholtz, former general manager of the Braves, responding when asked why throwing velocity is important. But when a pitcher wins a Cy Young and puts up great numbers for three years, as Zito did in his first three years of professional baseball, the question of why he can't throw harder is not an issue until he can't get batters out. It's similar to the pitching mechanics hoopla that accompanied Mark Prior. Prior went from the campus of USC to front-line starter for the Chicago Cubs in 2002. He had a spectacular year in 2003 and many baseball professionals touted him as having absolutely perfect mechanics, the kind all pitchers should be judged by. And then, in 2004, began a rapid decline marked by injury and poor performance. Today, Prior, after not pitching at all in 2007, is attempting a comeback. He is on the 60-day disabled list of the San Diego Padres. Zito's $126 million contract with the Giants has fans and much of professional baseball questioning the team's decision-making. Is Zito a sabermetrics boom or bust? He's a possible boom for the sabermetrics advocates if the Giants did not do the sabermetrics homework they should have. And he's a bust if they did (statistics are not the same as flesh and blood). Zito becomes even more interesting because another left hander, Johan Santana, eclipsed Zito's record-breaking contract. Zito 2008 throwing his 84 mph fastball and Santana throwing his 92 mph fastball . My original thought was to do a piece on Zito using an analysis I had previously done on another pitcher, Steve Avery, for support. "A Bridge Too Far" 是1977年一部關於二戰時的"市場花園行動"的電影。這個行動最後因 為盟軍錯誤的戰術和德軍的兩個奘甲師的阻撓而以失敗告終。 Barry Zito失去的速球成了我的"A Bridge Too Far"。這是我在開始寫這篇分析文時的感 覺。每當我要開始分析時,我總是感到很難下筆,因為我沒辦法在短短一篇文章中就把相 關的知識交代清楚。 我研究投球15年來的經驗讓我遠離了傳統的"好的投球機制"。任何傳遞客觀事實的嘗試總 是受到舊的觀念和文化的阻撓。要想讓讀者具備足夠的背景知識是相當不容易的。 回到正題: 新球季的第一天,巨人隊投教Dave Righetti說他已經沒辦法改變Zito速球和曲球間逐漸縮 小的速差。 "已經過了一年半了,他們總是問我同樣的問題"Righetti說"我真的已經盡力了" 就連巨人隊投教都放棄了,會有人相信我能看出他們所看不見的問題嗎? 還有,有人會相信我能解決這個問題嗎? 我對Zito投球動作的興趣是起於1998年,當知名的"投球教練"Dick Mills用Zito來當他的 投球教學的宣傳: 奧克蘭運動家隊首輪選秀Barry Zito的老爸有話要說。Barry現在已經是大聯盟中最夯  的新秀之一。     許多球探認為Barry的投球動作相當的好。他也不吝於分享他的秘訣:Dick Mills的各  式教學影片和一對一的電話指導。  我們花在您的教學上的數百美元現在有了更多的回報。現在看來,那數百美元是我們目  前為止最好的投資。  —Joe Zito, Encino, CA 在1998-2004之間我在SETPRO寫了一系列的文章去揭穿Mills和其他人所謂的"好的投球機制 "。幸運的,現在的年輕人不用再受到Mills的荼毒。 我心中一直以來有個疑問:當一個投手擁有6-4,200磅的身材卻沒辦法投到90 mph,像Zito 那樣,你怎麼會認為他的投球機制很好? 這裡很重要的一點是我把"投球"和"丟球"分開。你可以只是"丟一顆球"而不是"投球",但 你在"投球"的時候免不了"丟球"這個動作。因此,我把丟球效率視為是投球藝術中不可或 缺的一部分。 首先,我要說的是,很多投手-特別是左投-能在丟球效率不彰的情況下仍舊在大聯盟中有 一席之地。"投球"是要解決打者,這不只是"丟球",還包含了攻擊和欺騙打者。 "很簡單,因為這(球速)給了投手犯錯的空間" 這是John Schuerholtz,前勇士隊的GM,對球速的重要性的看法。 但當一位投手贏得賽揚獎並連三年投出好成績時,這個問題就不再重要,直到他不再能解 決打者時... 類似的情形也發生在Mark Prior身上,Prior在2003年投出'相當好的成績並且擁有所有投 教認為是"完美"的投球動作。然後,在2004年便因為受傷而急速衰退。 現在Prior正在尋求生涯的第二春。他現在在教士隊的60天DL上。 Zito和巨人隊達成的天價合約引起了球迷們的質疑。Zito是數據上的真貨還是假貨?是, 但也不是。(看是從哪個角度) Zito的案例變的更有趣,因為另一位左投Johan Santana的合約又打破了Zito的紀錄。 這是Zito的84 mph速球和Santana的92 mph速球的影片。 我第一個想法是援引我之前對Steve Avery作的分析資料作為輔助。 (待續...) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.5.3

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推 不過小小指正一下,那應該是指兩個德軍裝甲師
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05/23 17:20, , 2F
當然,那跟棒球一點關係都沒有就是了 XD
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05/23 17:21, , 3F
有道理
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05/23 17:22, , 4F
不過不知道該怎麼改 冏
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05/23 19:53, , 5F
第九SS裝甲師Hohenstaufen和第十SS裝甲師Frundsberg叫報
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廢的虎式戰車?不要亂引自以為是的典故
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05/23 20:01, , 7F
good,剩下的交給樓上翻譯好惹
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05/23 20:01, , 8F
樓上可以指正怎麼翻比較好
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05/23 20:01, , 9F
因為two cracked Panzar divison 我也不知道那是啥
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05/23 20:15, , 10F
就我之前讀到的資料,這個行動確實是因為坦克擋在橋中間
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05/23 20:15, , 11F
所以才失敗的,還是我的印象有錯?
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05/23 20:16, , 12F
還請某位從來沒在MLB板發過文的大大解釋,洩洩
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05/23 20:17, , 13F
順便幫我翻譯剩下的,口以嗎?
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05/23 20:23, , 14F
再推一下abc弟弟
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05/23 20:31, , 15F
那部電影中譯叫"奪橋遺恨"
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05/23 21:01, , 16F
keyword已經給你,不知道也要硬扯虎式戰車,會不會太可笑
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05/23 21:05, , 17F
翻譯辛苦推一個 :)
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05/23 21:13, , 18F
其實我不太曉得是不懂典故的比較可笑,還是只出一張嘴
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05/23 21:14, , 19F
亂噓翻譯自己又不肯做事的人比較可笑,科科
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05/23 21:16, , 20F
某大大可以給我一點提示嗎?
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05/23 21:31, , 21F
jagd大大你要不要來翻看看
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05/23 21:33, , 22F
出一張嘴巴在這邊吱吱叫
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05/23 23:10, , 23F
翻譯很辛苦,不懂又愛賣弄就不值得鼓勵
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05/23 23:12, , 24F
我已經清楚的告訴你,你那"報廢的虎式戰車"在歷史上是兩個
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05/23 23:13, , 25F
裝甲師團,市場花園計畫要奪取的那些橋,只差安恆那一座,英
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05/23 23:21, , 26F
國傘兵降落的地區附近正好是SS第九,十裝甲師整補休養駐地
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05/23 23:23, , 27F
cracked指的就是這兩個師是元氣大傷,缺員欠裝的狀態,不過
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05/23 23:23, , 28F
樓上.這裡是mlb版吧.為什麼要因為二戰的東西而吵呢
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05/23 23:24, , 29F
比起輕裝的傘兵,裝甲部隊當然不是容易對付的,最後英軍不
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05/23 23:25, , 30F
不就真正的主題去討論只想糾正的話可以寄信說吧
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05/23 23:25, , 31F
敵敗退,已奪取的其他橋等於無用.這是MLB板我當然知道,但
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05/23 23:26, , 32F
是不知道要亂講還是不對的吧
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05/23 23:32, , 33F
jagdzaku我懂你意思,但口氣沒必要如此八?
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05/23 23:35, , 34F
口氣如此就算你對戰爭或歷史有多少瞭解
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05/23 23:36, , 35F
和你的度量相比就不值一提了?不是嘛?
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05/23 23:38, , 36F
不過也有可能是abc弟弟戳到你的X點惹 科科
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※ 編輯: abc12812 來自: 140.112.5.3 (05/23 23:52)

05/23 23:52, , 37F
科科,改好了
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05/23 23:52, , 38F
接下來的就交給jagdzaku大大吧
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文章代碼(AID): #18DeXPoY (MLB)
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