Seattle's best move is to deal King Felix as

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http://tinyurl.com/7npsx86 The Seattle Mariners have insisted they are not trading Felix Hernandez, who has two years remaining on his contract at $40.5 million. It's a policy they need to rethink for two reasons: his obvious blockbuster value as a young ace available to a team for a minimum of three pennant races, and the extreme risks and costs of keeping him beyond this deal. Let's be clear: Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik has given no indications in public or private that he would even consider trading Hernandez. Asked if Zduriencik might budge on making Hernandez available, one GM replied, "Not sure. He's consistently said no. But he did on [Michael] Pineda, too." Trading an ace and franchise icon like Hernandez in midseason is messy stuff. Hernandez has a limited no-trade clause (he can block a deal to 10 teams), he's extremely popular among an increasingly disillusioned fan base and you run the risk of fracturing the club/player relationship if you still have the player after weeks of trade rumors. The safe thing to do is defer a decision on Hernandez until after next season, when the Mariners will either have to sign him to an extension or let him enter his walk season in 2014 at age 28. The idea of trading Hernandez should be considered only because the Mariners are so bad -- they are on track to post the franchise's worst batting average for a third straight year -- that they are more than two years behind loaded division rivals Texas and Los Angeles. In other words, they can't close the talent gap during the remainder of Hernandez's contract. The All-Star Game Tuesday stands as one indication why Seattle is in this predicament. There you will find Asdrubal Cabrera, Adam Jones, Bryan LaHair and R.A. Dickey, all former Mariners. In fact, in 2006, the Mariners had in their system Cabrera, Jones, LaHair, Pineda, Jesus Guzman, Michael Morse, Shin-Soo Choo, Scott Achison, Travis Blackley, Doug Fister, Mark Lowe, Brandon Morrow, Eric O'Flaherty and Chris Tillman. All are gone with very little to show for their departures. Zduriencik has tried to restock the system with the trades of Cliff Lee to the Rangers in 2010 and Pineda to the Yankees last January and the selections of pitchers Danny Hultzen, Tijuan Walker and James Paxton in the 2010 and 2011 drafts. The Mariners' blueprint goes like this: bring in the fences at Safeco Field next season to squeeze more offense out of this team and imagine a 2014 rotation with Hernandez, Hultzen, Walker and Paxton. Sounds good, but counting on pitching prospects to be major league stars is risky. Hultzen, 22, has a 5.25 ERA in three Triple A starts, Walker, 19, is walking 4.2 batters per nine innings in Double A, and Paxton is walking 5.7 per nine in Double A at age 23. Oddly enough, Hernandez himself represents a risk for any long-term Seattle planning. If the Mariners want to extend him, they will have to give him more money than has ever been guaranteed a pitcher -- breaking the record of $161 million over seven years the Yankees gave to CC Sabathia after the 2008 season. (Sabathia was 28 years old then with a 3.66 ERA in 254 starts; Hernandez is at 3.24 in 222 starts.) Would you pay Hernandez $170 million until he's 35 years old? Before you answer, here's something to think about: Hernandez on Tuesday passed 1,500 career innings. He is only the 15th pitcher in the expansion era (since 1961) to throw 1,500 major league innings by his age 26 season. How did the other 14 pitchers age? Not well. The 14 previous pitchers who logged 1,500 innings by age 26 averaged only 42 career wins after age 30. The group does include three Hall of Famers, though only Bert Blyleven had staying power as a starting pitcher; Dennis Eckersley converted to the bullpen at age 32 and Catfish Hunter was only 40-39 with a 4.07 ERA after age 30. Five of the 14 pitchers didn't win even 10 games after 30: Denny McLain, Dean Chance, Sam McDowell, Joe Coleman and Larry Dierker. Five others faded to relative mediocrity in their 30s: Ken Holtzman, Rick Wise, Vida Blue, Fernando Valenzuela and Dwight Gooden. And one, Frank Tanana, reinvented himself as a junkball pitcher to stick around long enough to go 120-121 in his 30s. Knock yourself out all you want with ancient outliers such as Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson and Bob Feller, but in the modern game few pitchers survive heavy workloads in their early 20s to be top starters in their 30s. By not trading Hernandez with the idea of extending him, the Mariners inherit the bet of almost $200 million that he is going to be the exception. It really comes down to this: Hernandez's peak value -- given his age, workload and contract -- is occurring right now in a 2 1/2-year window in which the Mariners cannot reasonably be expected to contend for a championship. Given that reality, why would he be untouchable? 繼Ken Rosenthal之後又一個作家建議水手要盡快賣出King Felix 不過據Jason Churchill的看法 水手現階段交易的重點是擺在買進急戰力大聯盟球員 好在這兩年內建立起有競爭力的球隊 而不是買進不知道何時才能收成的潛力新秀 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.25.133

07/08 08:57, , 1F
重點是Safeco吧 三個頂級新秀給水手還不是打那鳥樣
07/08 08:57, 1F

07/08 09:00, , 2F
又要釣魚了
07/08 09:00, 2F

07/08 09:09, , 3F
明明是去了水手就集體被降頭
07/08 09:09, 3F

07/08 09:12, , 4F
如果兩年後Ackley/Smoak/Montero還是這樣 那真的不簡單
07/08 09:12, 4F

07/08 09:14, , 5F
干球場屁事,當年最多勝還不是同樣的球場
07/08 09:14, 5F

07/08 09:21, , 6F
釣魚王abc~~
07/08 09:21, 6F

07/08 09:32, , 7F
金鳥來一下吧~
07/08 09:32, 7F

07/08 09:35, , 8F
`以前水兵很強過阿 小葛 AROD還有E.M 還有個叫啥的後來往生了
07/08 09:35, 8F

07/08 09:43, , 9F
樓上你你沒搞懂人家在討論啥吧,你說的那時期在Kingdome
07/08 09:43, 9F

07/08 09:43, , 10F
盤已經打出成績的棒子看有沒有救,新人就免了,多幾個毒
07/08 09:43, 10F

07/08 09:43, , 11F
干Safeco屁事
07/08 09:43, 11F

07/08 09:43, , 12F
患而已
07/08 09:43, 12F

07/08 09:46, , 13F
據說水手農場有兩位強力左投 和一位右投
07/08 09:46, 13F

07/08 09:48, , 14F
那三位主客場的落差都蠻大的,應該要請教Jaso
07/08 09:48, 14F

07/08 10:35, , 15F
釣魚囉^.<
07/08 10:35, 15F

07/08 10:59, , 16F
所以是一朗封印的關係囉(咦?)
07/08 10:59, 16F

07/08 11:19, , 17F
年年重建 阿甘:我今年要復出嘍
07/08 11:19, 17F

07/08 11:21, , 18F
這位作者親洋基嗎? :D
07/08 11:21, 18F

07/08 11:35, , 19F
五樓可能搞不清楚狀況
07/08 11:35, 19F

07/08 13:14, , 20F
當年那條打線基本上是從Kingdome時期就建立起來了
07/08 13:14, 20F

07/08 13:14, , 21F
只是轉到Safeco突然再度爆發
07/08 13:14, 21F

07/08 13:15, , 22F
不過五樓酸民大概不會想那麼多
07/08 13:15, 22F

07/08 13:19, , 23F
年年重建? 綠帽笑而不語
07/08 13:19, 23F

07/08 13:40, , 24F
重建有成,十年後花開結果
07/08 13:40, 24F

07/08 13:41, , 25F
球場數據在那裡等你查
07/08 13:41, 25F

07/08 14:10, , 26F
明年是最好(後)時機吧,高層還在等台灣走路/胡真/
07/08 14:10, 26F

07/08 14:11, , 27F
Paxton等小朋友上來看撐不撐得起來,至於Noesi......
07/08 14:11, 27F

07/08 17:42, , 28F
應該是水手不會養打者吧!別隊在Safeco的打擊成績和聯盟平均
07/08 17:42, 28F

07/08 17:44, , 29F
不會差太遠
07/08 17:44, 29F

07/08 22:18, , 30F
MarcLin超兇的 怕怕
07/08 22:18, 30F

07/09 00:08, , 31F
最多勝那條打線的主力沒有一支是在Safeco養出來的。
07/09 00:08, 31F

07/09 00:28, , 32F
打線養出來跟球場的關係是???
07/09 00:28, 32F

07/09 00:30, , 33F
把教練養人問題推到球場真的很詭異
07/09 00:30, 33F
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