[外電] Braun是MLB的阿姆斯壯

看板MLB (美國職棒/大聯盟)作者 (台南何守正)時間12年前 (2013/07/23 22:22), 編輯推噓86(860188)
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來源:http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/post/_/id/2575 這篇是某篇專欄作家對Braun針對這次被禁賽加上之前說謊的看法 底下對話翻譯是連結裡面的影片裡,主播和來賓對這件事情交換意見 對話英文是我用聽的大概內容,有些地方講太快所以不是很確定 有錯還請板友指正 ========================== Before Lance Armstrong finally admitted to Oprah that he used performance-enhancing drugs, he called some of the people he had attacked directly or hurt through many years of lying to offer some form of apology. 在藍斯.阿姆斯壯向歐普拉承認說他用了禁藥以前,他打電話給以前他曾直接抨擊過或被 他這許多年的謊言所傷害的人道歉。 Ryan Braun needs to do the same thing, if he hasn’t already started. Because he is the Lance Armstrong of baseball. His first call must go to Dino Laurenzi Jr., the collector whose character and work he called into question when he made his now infamous statement in February of 2012, after he won his appeal. 不管萊恩.布朗做了這件事情沒,他都必須做這件事情。因為他是棒球界的阿姆斯壯。 小迪諾.羅倫紀是他必須第一個致電的人,因為布朗在2012年2月上訴成功後,曾一篇打 了現在自己一巴掌的聲明,聲明中他曾質疑這位藥檢檢測員的品性和努力。 He needs to offer apologies to his teammates. As Braun made that statement, he was accompanied by teammates, whom he almost certainly deceived. He needs to apologize to the Arizona Diamondbacks franchise. Braun tested positive for PEDs in the fall of 2011, in the midst of the playoffs, and against Arizona that fall, he batted .500, with nine hits in 18 at-bats, as the Brewers edged the Diamondbacks, three games to two. Braun’s performance, aided by performance-enhancing drugs, may have directly cost the Diamondbacks ’ players money and a chance to advance to the World Series. 他必須對他隊友道歉,因為他那時候發表聲明時,他的隊友就陪在他身邊,完全不知道布 朗在欺騙他們。 他也必須向亞利桑納響尾蛇隊道歉,因為他在2011年十月時被測出藥檢成陽性,那時候季 後賽才打到一半,而在對上響尾蛇的那個系列賽,布朗18打數擊出9支安打,打擊率五成 ,最終釀酒人3-2淘汰了響尾蛇挺進到第二輪。響尾蛇球員們領的薪水以及打進世界大賽 的機會,就因為布朗偷吃禁藥而白白浪費了。 The players’ union has gone through a tremendous evolution in its attitude toward those who violate the terms of the drug-testing system, and in the aftermath of Braun’s test, there were members of the Arizona organization who were enraged. The players voted over and over to implement and then repeatedly strengthen the drug-testing program, to ensure the level playing field, because they didn’t want some players to have an advantage over other players in trying to win jobs and earn money. Braun cheated all of them, and in the fall of 2011, nobody was affected more directly than the Diamondbacks. 球員工會對那些違反藥檢的球員的態度最近有了極大的轉變。而在布朗藥檢事件過後,有 些響尾蛇隊的球員感到很生氣。球員們經由不斷地投票讓藥檢程序更加嚴謹,以確保大家 都能在球場上公平競爭。他們不希望有少部分球員因為有了「優勢」而使得他們比其他球 員更有機會上場餬口。 布朗欺騙了他們所有人,而響尾蛇更是2011年季後賽受害最重的犧牲者。 He owes an apology to the Milwaukee Brewers’ organization. They gave him a big contract, and then signed him to a massive extension, worth about $150 million. They are a small-market franchise and they signed him to be their Cal Ripken, their leader, the centerpiece of their organization -- and now he is no longer that, and can no longer be that, because his professional reputation and marketability are destroyed. He is not only a cheater, he is a cheater who lied about it, then attacked to protect the lie. This is a crushing blow for the Brewers’ franchise. 此外,他還欠密爾瓦基釀酒人一個道歉。球隊給了他一個大合約,接著又簽了一份約1億5 千萬的延長合約。釀酒人屬於小市場球隊,而他們簽下布朗就是希望他能成為釀酒人的凱 爾.瑞肯、他們的領導者以及球隊的中心。但是現在這些期待都落空了,以後也不可能實 現,他建立起來的名聲以及他的在市場上的價值已經蕩然無存。他不只是一個騙子,他還 是個為了自保而含血噴人的騙子。這對釀酒人來說無疑是一大打擊。 He needs to apologize to the fans, all of those who supported him because they believed his lies. He misled them, and they bought his jerseys and went to his restaurant and bought tickets to see him play, because he is theirs. A lot of those apologies need to take place in private, but a lot needs to take place in public, and with more teeth than the words released by Major League Baseball in a statement -- which was shocking in itself, in how the No. 2 person in the sport, Rob Manfred, was quoted as complimenting Braun as it suspended him: 他必須向球迷們道歉,向那些支持他的人道歉,因為他們相信了他,他卻騙了他們。他們 買了他的球衣,去他的餐廳用餐,還買了票進場看他打球,因為他是他們的偶像。 他必須私下跟許多人道歉,但也必須公開和許多人道歉。當布朗因為禁藥而被禁賽時,大 聯盟官方在聲明稿裡的內容讓人覺得很不可思議,尤其是對這位運動史上「第二人」。聲 明稿裡為了要輕描淡寫帶過而引用了羅伯.曼福瑞讚賞布朗的言詞: "We commend Ryan Braun for taking responsibility for his past actions. We all agree that it is in the best interests of the game to resolve this matter. When Ryan returns, we look forward to him making positive contributions to Major League Baseball, both on and off the field." 「我們對萊恩.布朗為自己過去負起責任的行為感到讚賞。我們都同意如此解決問題的方 式能帶給球賽最大的利益。當布朗歸隊之時,我們期望他不管在場上或是在場外都能對大 聯盟做出有益之事。」 Are you kidding? In light of all of the money spent by MLB in dealing with Braun’s first appeal, in how much damage has been done to the sport, in how much of a pall Braun’s situation has cast over other players -- Braun is commended? No. The only person who should be talking now is Braun, who should be apologizing to all those he hurt, while embracing the full range of embarrassment with all necessary humility and honesty. He earned it. 你在開玩笑嗎?想想大聯盟官方為了處理布朗第一次上訴時花了一堆錢、這件事對運動所 造成的傷害以及一個黑黑的布朗對其他球員帶來的影響,而你居然說布朗值得讚賞? 錯了!現在該談論的人是布朗,而他必須向被他傷害的人滿腹尷尬、充滿羞辱並且誠實地 道歉。 這是他應得的! ============================================================ Anchorperson: Jayson, your reaction to the Ryan Braun’s being suspended for the remaining of the season? Jayson Stark: Well, it’s a huge story on many levels. The first thing is, Ryan Braun is guy who had always maintained his innocence and betrayed several of times as a victim and what is from “I didn’t do it. I was a victim of the full process. I just talk to the Biogenesis’ people because the lawyers have questioned my lawyers” to” I realize now I have made some mistakes and I’m willing to accept the consequences of those actions.” So clearly, they have a lot of evidence on Ryan Braun. The other thing that is interesting here is that, clearly, originally this has to be a longer suspension. You know major league baseball is going to follow this standard play book and ___ was a first advance and he would got 50 games, but the remainder of season is 65 games. We can only assume that he was told that if he wishes to appeal, the suspension is 100 games, possibly even longer and to essentially, Ryan Braun cut the deal. 主播:傑森,你對萊恩.布朗剩下球季被禁賽這件事情有什麼看法? 傑森.史塔克:嗯,這件事情可以從很多方面來討論。第一件事情是,萊恩.布朗常常裝 無辜並且好幾次以被害者身分上鏡頭。他從「我沒做這件事情。我是整個程序的受害者。 我只是跟創世紀的人談談而已,因為律師跑來問我律師一些相關問題。」到「我現在明白 了我犯了一些錯誤,而我願意為這些錯誤付出代價。」所以很明顯,他們握有很多萊恩. 布朗的把柄。另外一件有趣的事情是,很明顯地,本來被禁賽的場數應該更多。你知道大 聯盟將要依據這些規則來行事,而___是第一步,所以他理論上應該被禁賽50場,但是剩 餘場次是65場。這我們只能假設他被告知說如果他被起訴,那就會被禁賽100場,甚至有 可能更多,所以最中萊恩.布朗跟他們達成了協議。 Anchorperson: Suspending for the remainder of the season and playoffs if Milwaukee were to make there, how much more time could Braun potentially miss or do you think just the remainder of season is going to be his punishment for first all of this? Jayson Stark: Well, apparently, that was the agreement they came to and exchange for him waiting his right for appeal. I mean I think it’s safe to say that because of what he means to the Brewers or what he has at least meant the past to the Brewers, a team that has basically wrapped its franchise around him, it would’ve been extremely difficult for them to go through the off season, not knowing whether they’re gonna have Ryan Braun for four seasons or half season or something. In between, at this way, they know and he knows, they won’t have this year and they won’t have next year. Now, whether his performance is affected in any way because of this way and his reputation is affected anyway, all that ___to one fall. But it does act as a result the matter of when his punishment begins which is right now and how long it lasts. 主播:既然禁賽時間包含了剩餘球季,甚至假如釀酒人打進季後賽他也不能出場,那你認 為布朗還會缺席多久?還是說你認為布朗只有這個球季會被禁賽? 傑森.史塔克:嗯,很明顯地他們做出了協議以交換他等待上訴的機會。這樣說好了,我 認為他對釀酒人代表的意義或者該說他過去對釀酒人這支把他當作看板球星的球隊所代表 的意義,會使得他們在球季結束後很徬徨,他們不知道布朗還能待四年呢,還是半年呢, 或是其他時間。總而言之,在這方面來說,球團和他都知道,今年布朗無法出場,甚至明 年也可能無法出場。現在不管他的表現是不是會因為這樣受到任何影響,再說他的名聲已 經受損了,這一切都是因為他一時糊塗。不過這的確關乎他現在已經開始執行的禁賽以及 禁賽會執行多久。 Anchorperson: As for Braun’s image is concerned, we’ve seen guys came to step front of this, Andy Pettitte comes to mind, come on and say, “yeah, I did something wrong, I’m sorry for that” and move on. The way Ryan Braun, basically say that he did nothing wrong and almost stunning the nose of the process a couple years ago, how do you think that is going to affect his image going forward? Jayson Stark: You’re exactly right. That doesn’t suppose that has not played the wrong past. Players claims that they’re innocent, they’re innocent, they’re innocent right up to the point which they’re really found guilty, ____ or in newscast basically, plea guilty. I think that over the last several months Ryan Braun’ reputation has taken abnormal scale already. But with this suspension, with this statement, the way he ship his course, it ’s hard for me to believe that even people in Milwaukee would be willing to forgive that unless he goes above and beyond the court duty and how he reaches out the damn and his franchise going forward. 主播:就布朗的形象來看,其實我們也曾看到有人站出來承認自己的錯誤。像我記得安迪 .派提特就曾經站出來說道:「沒錯,我做了些不對的事情,我很抱歉。」然後繼續往前 走。但是萊恩.布朗,其實幾年前他就說過他沒做錯事情,但卻被檢測出吃禁藥。你覺得 這件事情會給他形象帶來多少衝擊? 傑森.史塔克:你說得很對。他今天承認並不代表他過去沒犯錯。球員們總是說他們是無 辜的他們是無辜的他們是無辜的,他們會一直喊到他們小辮子被抓到為止,____用新聞術 語來說就是,判決有罪。我覺得過去這幾個月萊恩.布朗好不容易把名聲拉回來。但現在 隨著這次禁賽、這次聲明以及他做得各種事情,我不太相信密爾瓦基的居民會願意原諒他 。除非他受的處罰超過了該責罰的尺度,還有他必須真正明白他做錯了事情,再加上他球 隊也願意既往不究才行。 Anchorperson: OK, Ryan Braun is suspended without pay for the remaining season and post-season. Jason Stark, thank you very much. 主播:好了!萊恩.布朗剩餘的球季和季後賽都不得上場,而且也拿不到薪水。傑森.史 塔克,非常謝謝你。 -- juicylove:菊花殘 滿地傷 hollysee:你得笑容已泛黃~ Alexi519:花落人灌腸.. alowkey:急診室~靜靜 your135:軍紀~友驊 bmw3633:軍隊謊言扯不完 edleren:毒瘤陳以人 范佐憲成雙 coca7744: <<來賓請掌聲鼓勵>> ψsunrise26sq上色 7/17/2013 #1HvVt5wm (joke)http://ppt.cc/DNUH patrickleeee排版 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 36.226.235.65

07/23 22:25, , 1F
我以為他要登月球
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07/23 22:26, , 2F
阿姆斯壯至少弄了個抗癌基金 反觀Braun
07/23 22:26, 2F

07/23 22:27, , 3F
話說我有買Braun的球衣...
07/23 22:27, 3F

07/23 22:28, , 4F
幸好我買的是火箭人的球衣
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07/23 22:30, , 5F
火藥人:吃我的一搓火藥吧
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07/23 22:33, , 6F
還是難過...只能靠明年漂白了
07/23 22:33, 6F

07/23 22:34, , 7F
基本上他已經黑掉了
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07/23 22:34, , 8F
無法漂白了吧=_=
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07/23 22:37, , 9F
我覺得 Brewers 真的很可憐 這個球團灑了大錢給他 卻深深傷
07/23 22:37, 9F

07/23 22:37, , 10F
了球迷的感情...
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07/23 22:38, , 11F
我開始相信希特勒了
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07/23 22:39, , 12F
記得當年還有人說Braun要打藥檢員臉 結果是誰被打呢
07/23 22:39, 12F

07/23 22:40, , 13F
只罰這樣的話 根本是變相的鼓勵吧 XD
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07/23 22:41, , 14F
我覺得Braun 最傷害球迷的是 他們因此必須放掉討人喜歡的
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07/23 22:41, , 15F
#1FugWxIw 推文好精彩
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07/23 22:41, , 16F
還拿了一個*MVP Kemp常常受傷以後也不知道拿不拿的到了
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07/23 22:42, , 17F
Prince Fielder, 那時候酒鬼必須要在這兩人中選一個建軍, 沒
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07/23 22:43, , 18F
有這件事情, 連傻蛋都知道得放棄掉 Prince... 現在得到的這
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07/23 22:43, , 19F
傢伙 吃藥老實說真的還是不嚴重的事情 就像這篇文章說的 他
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07/23 22:44, , 20F
是一個非常品德低下的人... 酒鬼實在是可憐...
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07/23 22:44, , 21F
射了
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07/23 22:44, , 22F
#1FugWxIw 一堆人被打臉...
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07/23 22:44, , 23F
他對不起的是千千萬萬FB持有她的人 恨阿!!!!
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07/23 22:46, , 24F
他要跟阿姆斯壯道歉 因為他害阿姆斯壯又被拖出來鞭屍了..
07/23 22:46, 24F

07/23 22:47, , 25F
當初護航的人 臉有沒有腫腫的?
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07/23 22:47, , 26F
可是阿姆斯壯被取消了七屆環法賽冠軍耶,還追繳獎金喔
07/23 22:47, 26F

07/23 22:47, , 27F
我覺得阿姆斯壯的道歉比較誠懇一點,雖然有點太晚了....
07/23 22:47, 27F

07/23 22:48, , 28F
而且阿姆斯壯也付出了沉重的代價,反觀....
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07/23 22:48, , 29F
大聯盟敢這樣做嗎?結局恐怕大不同,禁賽完就沒事了吧
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07/23 22:49, , 30F
我不相信酒鬼當初不知道Braun有問題,他有問題還給
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07/23 22:49, , 31F
會出現這種65場 就表示官方不想讓 Braun 這種事情一直扯下去
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07/23 22:49, , 32F
Braun今年提早放假,而且要少領三百萬薪水....
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07/23 22:49, , 33F
阿姆斯壯沒有工會啊 你要動Braun的title要先跟工會談
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07/23 22:49, , 34F
大合約,代表酒鬼也是這個共犯結構的一員,要說可憐,
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07/23 22:49, , 35F
但賭上今年薪水力挺他的那位好友,損失好像不只三百萬就是了
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07/23 22:50, , 36F
我猜這風聲搭配 A-Rod 那段風聲 加上 A-Rod 急著要復出...
07/23 22:50, 36F

07/23 22:50, , 37F
賭上薪水的是?
07/23 22:50, 37F

07/23 22:50, , 38F
藥檢員最可憐,酒鬼的球迷也很可憐。
07/23 22:50, 38F

07/23 22:50, , 39F
我想大家已經講好就是拿A-Rod 來解決問題了吧?...
07/23 22:50, 39F
還有 195 則推文
07/24 00:27, , 235F
NCAA最大就是學校付錢買學生球員 然後學生球員拿了錢亂搞
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07/24 00:50, , 236F
NCAA的問題真的是一大堆~ 過度商業絕對是很小的事情 XD
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07/24 00:57, , 237F
還以為是登陸月球那個...
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07/24 00:57, , 238F
先跟Matt kemp道歉!
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07/24 02:04, , 239F
看來MLB未來十年投手宰制能力會越來越明顯
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07/24 03:43, , 240F
原來阿姆斯壯在美國人心中評價這麼糟糕啊!
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07/24 04:49, , 241F
美國人太重誠實和對下一代的教育,所以阿姆斯壯和Bonds爬的
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07/24 04:50, , 242F
越高的榜樣, 現在都變黑歷史了...幾乎都閉口不提了
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07/24 04:52, , 243F
就像Bonds, 我在舊金山這麼多年到現在,幾乎沒聽人提過他..
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07/24 05:16, , 244F
前面幾篇還有人在幫他護航啊 很死忠的
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07/24 06:19, , 245F
相信我Armstrong 比他壞100倍
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07/24 08:07, , 246F
謝謝原PO
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07/24 08:37, , 247F
Armstrong不只吃藥、換血,他為了掩蓋事實,做了更多不該
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07/24 08:38, , 248F
做的事
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07/24 08:49, , 249F
就以吃藥來說,我是覺得Braun的立場比Armstrong還更不應
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07/24 08:49, , 250F
該。
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07/24 11:09, , 251F
其實這是那門子重視誠實?只是集體漠視過去裝作沒看到事情
07/24 11:09, 251F

07/24 11:10, , 252F
而已 美國的核心價值早就崩壞得差不多了 這幾年一堆沒誠信的
07/24 11:10, 252F

07/24 11:11, , 253F
核心價值叫作"別被抓到"
07/24 11:11, 253F

07/24 11:11, , 254F
政治人員也是紛紛回籠, 說穿了還不就眼不見為淨的阿Q勝利法
07/24 11:11, 254F

07/24 11:12, , 255F
哈哈 樓上很壞 回頭來看 美國的核心精神真的是別被抓到XD
07/24 11:12, 255F

07/24 13:10, , 256F
台灣是"你拿我沒辦法",比"別被抓到"還慘啊......
07/24 13:10, 256F

07/24 13:16, , 257F
答對了!兩個都是垃圾
07/24 13:16, 257F

07/24 16:21, , 258F
我還蠻期待看A-ROD的結果的
07/24 16:21, 258F

07/24 20:19, , 259F
人品低下的傢伙 敢用藥就該坦白從寬+乖乖接受處罰 用說謊或
07/24 20:19, 259F

07/24 20:20, , 260F
上訴硬凹等方式妨礙真相調查只能說死好!
07/24 20:20, 260F

07/24 20:38, , 261F
道歉名單怎麼沒有Kemp
07/24 20:38, 261F

07/24 21:13, , 262F
真正人品低下的點是當初還再那邊影射藥檢員陷害他啊
07/24 21:13, 262F

07/24 22:01, , 263F
其實Braun那時候贏了程序正義最該做的就是裝裝無辜 說甚麼不
07/24 22:01, 263F

07/24 22:01, , 264F
知道發生甚麼意外狀況導致的 打打迷糊帳過去就好了 還跑出來
07/24 22:01, 264F

07/24 22:02, , 265F
一副自己是正義的一方 真的是找死... 難怪官方覺得顏面無光
07/24 22:02, 265F

07/25 01:35, , 266F
也不能說美國核心價值崩壞,別被抓到這樣的想法全世界都有,
07/25 01:35, 266F

07/25 01:36, , 267F
不過美國就是很確定你一旦被抓到,付出的代價就會很大...
07/25 01:36, 267F

07/25 01:36, , 268F
當然, 所有的事情一旦扯上政治,那又是另一回事了..shrug
07/25 01:36, 268F

07/25 02:21, , 269F
沒啊~ 監控人民的事情抓到也沒啥代價:p 遇到政治會轉彎就代
07/25 02:21, 269F

07/25 02:21, , 270F
表只是利益不夠大而已 簡單說不就是眼不見為淨嘛? 至少以前
07/25 02:21, 270F

07/25 02:21, , 271F
大家曾經信仰過的美國不是這樣子的嘛 XD
07/25 02:21, 271F

07/25 14:29, , 272F
4好~當初還敢酸藥檢員..真噁心 還有當初一起護航的咧?
07/25 14:29, 272F

07/26 02:26, , 273F
幸好我當初就是很不爽布朗的
07/26 02:26, 273F

07/28 13:55, , 274F
不過MIL 11年就把15年到期的約延長五年...hmm
07/28 13:55, 274F
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