[外電] Why MLB suspended Alex Rodriguez 211

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Why MLB suspended Alex Rodriguez 211 games http://ppt.cc/xGOA Major League Baseball acted outside the scope of the league’s drug policy when it suspended Alex Rodriguez 211 games. The league’s drug policy calls for a 50-game suspension for a first violation of the policy; 100-game suspension for the second; and a lifetime ban for a third violation. Rodriguez never failed a drug test, so how did MLB get off suspending the New York Yankees third baseman for the rest of this season and the entire 2014 season? That is what A-Rod is wondering, and why he, with the backing from the players’ union, is appealing the suspension. In his statement, MLB commissioner Bud Selig explained why Rodriguez was suspended. The penalty was for “[Rodriguez's] use and possession of numerous forms of prohibited performance-enhancing substances, including testosterone and human growth hormone over the course of multiple years.” MLB struck a deal with Biogenesis founder Tony Bosch, who provided evidence to them of A-Rod’s use of PEDs. According to ESPN’s T.J. Quinn, Bosch provided MLB with text messages, emails, phone records, other records to show that A-Rod doped since at least 2009. Bosch told MLB what drugs Rodriguez took, when he took them, how often, and where. 50 or even 100 of the 211 games could have been for single or double violations of the league’s drug policy, depending on how MLB evaluated things. But they suspended Rodriguez for much more than that. In addition to the penalty for violating the drug policy, MLB is suspending A-Rod for a violation of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the owners and players’ association. Selig’s statement said Rodriguez’s penalty for violating the labor agreement was “for attempting to cover up his violations of the program by engaging in a course of conduct intended to obstruct and frustrate the office of the commissioner’s investigation.” MLB has evidence that Rodriguez obstructed the case. It’s unclear if MLB believes punishing A-Rod for his attempted coverup is a violation of the best interest of the game clause in the CBA. Here’s what that specific clause (Article XII B of the Basic Agreement) states: “Players may be disciplined for just cause for conduct that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of baseball including, but not limited to, engaging in conduct in violation of federal, state or local law.” It’s unlikely that Rodriguez is objecting to the evidence the league has against him concerning PED use. MLB’s evidence must be accurate, otherwise Ryan Braun, Nelson Cruz, and the dozen other players would not have accepted their punishments without an appeal. Rodriguez and his lawyers will likely attack the extra 100 games or so MLB tacked onto the suspension for a violation of the CBA. That number was arbitrarily determined by Selig and seems like it might not hold up in an arbitration case. -- 剛好Larry Brown Sports有一篇有關於為何A-Rod會是211場禁賽的story, 先貼,等有空來翻... 不過如果Bug Selig的聲明是事實, 那不是禁藥檢驗太廢,就是A-Rod根本就地球最強生物, 長年使用多種禁藥,居然一種都沒被法被驗出來..... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 76.185.28.49 ※ 編輯: hcju 來自: 76.185.28.49 (08/07 18:24)

08/07 18:27, , 1F
驗不出來不是特別的事 按Victor Conte的說法 類固醇代謝
08/07 18:27, 1F

08/07 18:27, , 2F
快 驗不出來很正常 被驗到不是球員太笨就是太衰
08/07 18:27, 2F

08/07 18:33, , 3F
所以還是沒有直接證據?
08/07 18:33, 3F

08/07 18:34, , 4F
他還有用HGH這類的 而且他應該從以前就是重點抽驗對象
08/07 18:34, 4F

08/07 18:36, , 5F
沒記錯的話 HGH要抽血驗才會準
08/07 18:36, 5F

08/07 18:38, , 6F
總之 就是很神奇 這真的要等hearing才會有比較多料爆出來吧
08/07 18:38, 6F

08/07 19:03, , 7F
阿肉都嘛吃最新的產品 才不會被檢驗出來咧
08/07 19:03, 7F

08/07 19:04, , 8F
因為可以用A去掩蓋使用禁藥後體內產生的不正常數字
08/07 19:04, 8F

08/07 19:04, , 9F
還可以用B去蓋過曾經使用A的痕跡...可以一直堆疊上去
08/07 19:04, 9F

08/07 19:05, , 10F
如果按照奧運的標準不只驗禁藥反應 也會驗A/B/C...的反應
08/07 19:05, 10F

08/07 19:05, , 11F
被驗到奧委會就會追回獎牌
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08/07 19:06, , 12F
好幾個月前中廣體育記者陳楷在廣播裡曾經說過這些
08/07 19:06, 12F

08/07 19:10, , 13F
MLB本來就有在測masking agent... Manny就是被測到
08/07 19:10, 13F

08/07 19:11, , 14F
所以才遭到禁賽的
08/07 19:11, 14F

08/07 19:12, , 15F
以後抽血吧 對工會強硬一點
08/07 19:12, 15F

08/07 19:12, , 16F
後院就是實驗室
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08/07 19:14, , 17F
很嚴重的指控阿 希望有證據別只是嘴砲
08/07 19:14, 17F

08/07 19:16, , 18F
沒證據哪可能大動作開刀
08/07 19:16, 18F

08/07 19:28, , 19F
原來Manny是被驗到遮蔽 一直以為他是直接被驗到睪酮素爆炸
08/07 19:28, 19F

08/07 19:29, , 20F
多重使用..
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08/07 19:59, , 21F
其實這件事情到最後會很難看的是Selig...
08/07 19:59, 21F

08/07 19:59, , 22F
A-rod 申訴成功機率非常的高
08/07 19:59, 22F

08/07 19:59, , 23F
而如果Selig 要硬幹的話那就準備吃上超大官司了
08/07 19:59, 23F

08/07 20:00, , 24F
到最後MLB 賠A-rod比他薪水還多就好笑了
08/07 20:00, 24F

08/07 20:05, , 25F
他會成為MLB史上薪水最高的男人 順便把罰款加上去
08/07 20:05, 25F

08/07 20:13, , 26F
看來關鍵就是Bosch這個證人 A-Rod不管用藥或是妨礙調查的部分
08/07 20:13, 26F

08/07 20:14, , 27F
都是由這個人提供給MLB的 A-Rod律師一定想辦法證明此人不可信
08/07 20:14, 27F

08/07 20:29, , 28F
這事還有案外案 揭發此事的記者邁阿密時報的Porter Fischer
08/07 20:29, 28F

08/07 20:30, , 29F
部分他查到的資料 放在車上被人竊走 他本人也被威脅 看來擋到
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08/07 20:31, , 30F
部分賣藥者的財路 這部分佛州的檢察官也開始偵查了...
08/07 20:31, 30F

08/07 20:41, , 31F
基本上我是完全相信A-Rod用藥的 我也認為罰他有道理 只是最
08/07 20:41, 31F

08/07 20:42, , 32F
後不管用甚麼指控 都不能再「湊」111場出來 感覺喊買賣喊很
08/07 20:42, 32F

08/07 20:42, , 33F
爽沒錯 我覺得這件事情最後難看的應該是Selig沒錯 賠薪水不
08/07 20:42, 33F

08/07 20:43, , 34F
至於 最後hearing可能就駁回了 如果此例一開 這禁藥條例就真
08/07 20:43, 34F

08/07 20:44, , 35F
的是鬧劇了... 以每次薄弱的證據力 聯盟打官司真的是有去無
08/07 20:44, 35F

08/07 20:57, , 36F
推樓上,現在根本不是用不用藥,而是為什麼要罰到211場
08/07 20:57, 36F

08/07 20:58, , 37F
回 丟臉而已 另外, 類固醇的半衰期的確是很短很難抓 但近年
08/07 20:58, 37F

08/07 20:59, , 38F
也已經有很多配套方法了 不再單純是粗心大意或不好運才抓得
08/07 20:59, 38F

08/07 21:00, , 39F
到了 只是有證據開罰還是硬道理 那怕是Bosch那邊的關鍵證據
08/07 21:00, 39F

08/07 21:10, , 40F
如果仲裁員援引阿姆斯壯的案例 那A-Rod就GG了
08/07 21:10, 40F

08/07 21:14, , 41F
如果仲裁員最後選擇這樣想 那至少是一個系統走完也不算糟糕
08/07 21:14, 41F

08/07 21:14, , 42F
MLB現在就是不清不楚又自己球員兼裁判 好好仲裁員不去找自己
08/07 21:14, 42F

08/07 21:15, , 43F
下手玩...不過看Braun的案例 不容易就是了...
08/07 21:15, 43F

08/07 21:25, , 44F
他就是裁判 何況也沒有先執行仲裁的規定 仲裁就是要平衡雙方
08/07 21:25, 44F

08/07 21:26, , 45F
不過有一點很不合理的是仲裁員是可以被MLB開除的XDXD
08/07 21:26, 45F

08/07 21:27, , 46F
Shyam Das就因為Braun的案子被MLB開除了...
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08/07 21:39, , 47F
所以這就是這件事情最弔詭的地方 我覺得MLB是會玩火自焚 不
08/07 21:39, 47F

08/07 21:39, , 48F
過老話一句 如果今天他們有心改變 那也不壞 如果還是這種心
08/07 21:39, 48F

08/07 21:39, , 49F
態 被人婊是死好...
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08/07 21:40, , 50F
MLB禁藥的關注度是四大裡最高的 官方最好的打算應該就是
08/07 21:40, 50F

08/07 21:41, , 51F
一次解決 畢竟現在風氣不比當年 拖愈久死愈慘
08/07 21:41, 51F

08/07 21:43, , 52F
同意abc的看法 不過話說我真不懂,NFL用藥風氣這麼盛 抓到也
08/07 21:43, 52F

08/07 21:43, , 53F
沒事 也沒見多大反彈 我在美國待也沒聽到有人真的哭么這事
08/07 21:43, 53F

08/07 22:01, , 54F
因為NFL新聞比較大的是球員拿槍殺別人殺自己 所以禁藥看起來
08/07 22:01, 54F

08/07 22:01, , 55F
不被反彈 就像中職也有人藥檢不過 但放水假球還是最大議題
08/07 22:01, 55F

08/07 22:04, , 56F
應該說的精確一點NFL的問題是暴力 不管是設獎金傷人 鬥狗 開
08/07 22:04, 56F

08/07 22:04, , 57F
NFL: 聽過 Aaron Hernandez 嗎
08/07 22:04, 57F

08/07 22:05, , 58F
槍殺老婆殺朋友還是自殺 引發的暴力問題都比較被關注...
08/07 22:05, 58F

08/07 22:16, , 59F
Aaron Hernandez那檔事情有夠大...XD
08/07 22:16, 59F

08/07 22:17, , 60F
不過也的確,每次談論到NFL 都是談論到誰又幹了甚麼場外暴力
08/07 22:17, 60F

08/07 22:17, , 61F
用藥的確是小case...
08/07 22:17, 61F

08/07 22:23, , 62F
WWE的Chris Beniot好像也是因為禁藥引起了腦部的病變...
08/07 22:23, 62F

08/07 22:23, , 63F
雖然這個說法後來有遭到否認,但也令人懷疑就是..
08/07 22:23, 63F

08/07 23:33, , 64F
NFL那種衝擊力道 不吃藥有幾個挺得住 當然見怪不怪啦
08/07 23:33, 64F

08/07 23:36, , 65F
這就是話語最詭異的地方了,沒有吃藥怎麼打70發?沒有吃藥
08/07 23:36, 65F

08/07 23:39, , 66F
NFL那來的這種衝撞力道? 這些防守球員大家都吃 那根本扯平
08/07 23:39, 66F

08/07 23:40, , 67F
嘛~ 就像大家最愛說投手跟打者都吃了就扯平了XD
08/07 23:40, 67F

08/08 00:10, , 68F
他可能吃藥配啤酒~排放比較快(誤)
08/08 00:10, 68F

08/08 03:09, , 69F
Aaron Hernandez 大學就已經亂七八糟...Pats選了也是很冒險
08/08 03:09, 69F

08/08 03:10, , 70F
下一個就是Johnny Manziel
08/08 03:10, 70F

08/08 09:29, , 71F
Aaron Hernandez 大家沒料想到的只是他會嚴重到這種地步XD
08/08 09:29, 71F

08/08 09:31, , 72F
draft的時候, 有報告說AaronH的 "social maturity"是最低分
08/08 09:31, 72F

08/08 09:32, , 73F
沒想到25歲了還...
08/08 09:32, 73F

08/08 10:47, , 74F
為什麼要全禁2014年 感覺就是為了全年的薪水作打算
08/08 10:47, 74F

08/08 10:48, , 75F
不然「211」場這數字實在太鳥了 以後在回顧禁藥禁賽歷史
08/08 10:48, 75F

08/08 10:49, , 76F
別人就50、100 結果一個乾兒子65 另一個居然是211
08/08 10:49, 76F

08/11 10:57, , 77F
其實就是從宣布到明年結束啊 至於比別人多你仔細看他罪
08/11 10:57, 77F

08/11 10:58, , 78F
很明顯教主已經要給台階下了 結果只有一個人不收
08/11 10:58, 78F

08/11 10:59, , 79F
不過如果他是想拖時間 失敗就立刻退休 那去抵抗就算合
08/11 10:59, 79F
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