[外電] The numbers behind Miami's new direction

看板MiamiHeat (邁阿密 熱火)作者 (快樂的潛水夫)時間14年前 (2012/07/15 15:00), 編輯推噓39(39051)
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http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/15068 The numbers behind Miami's new direction 熱火新方向背後的數字 By Tom Haberstroh ESPN.com Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Erick Dampier, Mickell Gladness, Joel Anthony, Jamaal Magloire, Juwan Howard and Eddy Curry. During the past two seasons, Heat president Pat Riley has scoured the free-agency pile and brought in a long line of so-so centers to fill an apparent hole in his team's lineup. 以上是兩個球季以來,熱火總管Riley替他球隊內線大洞,補進長長的的中鋒名單,結果盡 皆表現平平。 But none of those hires has worked nearly as well at center as Chris Bosh. 他們甚至於比Chris Bosh扛中鋒打出的效率還低。 And that's why the Heat are fine with not introducing a big-name center Wednesday. 而這也是熱火到目前沒簽到中鋒大物還如此淡定的理由。 During the Heat's championship run, the Heat finally found a solution to their center problem: don't play a center at all. With Bosh starting at the 5, the Heat plowed through the Thunder en route to a title, as the unconventional lineups created mismatches on both ends of the floor. 今年熱火奪冠的歷程中,熱火最終找到了解決中鋒荒的好方法:不派中鋒上陣。Bosh先 發的5場比賽中,熱火勇闖雷霆奪冠的關鍵,就是用非正規的隊形,在場上製造出無數 mismatch來突圍取勝。 This is an important backstory to the Heat's free-agent foray this summer. On Wednesday, the Heat officially introduced Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis at AmericanAirlines Arena, and you'll notice that neither of them plays center. Or point guard. They're primarily shooters with little ability to do much else offensively. 這作為熱火今夏進軍自由市場的一個背景故事,星期三,熱火在美航中心正式簽下 Ray Allen 和 Rashard Lewis,你會發現這兩位既非中鋒也非控衛,皆為三分射手,而除了外 線進攻外也沒其他優勢。 The Heat confirmed something in the Finals that they had already assumed but couldn't fully embrace: They don't need a conventional point guard or center to win a title. They already have those pieces in their superstar trio. 因為今年的總冠軍,讓熱火終於確認了一件他們假設已久但一直未證實的事: 在三王強力掩護之下,他們可以無需依靠傳統控衛或中鋒的贏得冠軍。 So they loaded up elsewhere. 正因如此,球隊才放心先補強其他位置。 Don't be surprised if you see Allen and Lewis play together on the court next season, along with LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Bosh. Playing those two shooters next to the Big Three might not seem like a bankable plan, because that doesn't look like a lineup basketball fans are used to seeing. Who defends the opposing point guard? Who protects the paint? 如果妳下一季看到 Allen、 Lewis 與 LeBron James、Dwyane Wade、Bosh並肩上場時, 別太訝異。兩名射手搭擋三王,聽起來不是一般球迷常見而熟悉的隊形,也許有人會強烈 質疑其成效:誰去貼身跟防對方控衛?又由誰來鎮守禁區? But here's why those concerns don't hold much water. 但其實這些都過慮了,真相並沒那麼嚴重。 In the past two seasons, when the Big Three played with two non-point guard shooters, the Heat outscored the opponent 239 to 150 in about 86 minutes on the court. 過去兩季以來,三王搭配兩名非控衛射手的情況,總共86分鐘的時間裡,勝分取得 239-150大幅領先的優勢。 That translates to a 50-point win margin every 48 minutes. 意味每一場比賽48分鐘,可以贏對手將近50分。 Here are the numbers, courtesy of NBA.com's awesome stats tool, in case you were wondering. 如果你覺得奇怪,別懷疑,數據可都在NBA官網的統計資料庫中。 Who should play next to the Big Three? 到底三王應該和什麼類型的球員合作最有利? 請參考以下表格: 陣容類型 上場時間 己方得分 對手得分 ORtg DRtg Diff ───────────────────────────────── PG + C 2,908 6,079 5,526 107.8 98.0 +9.8 PG + Wing 494 1,214 983 118.7 96.1 +22.6 C + Wing 482 1,036 920 112.4 99.8 +12.6 2 Wings 86 239 150 127.4 79.9 +47.4 Total 3,967 8,568 7,579 110.2 97.5 +12.7 ───────────────────────────────── Source: NBA.com data. 註: ORtg:該球員在場上時,每一百次進中中,球隊可得的分數 DRtg:該球員在場上時,每一百次進攻中,球隊所失的分數 PG :控衛 C :中鋒 Wing:側翼,也翻成搖擺人 When we convert those numbers to a per-100 possessions basis, we find that the Heat have a 127.4 offensive rating with that alignment next to the Big Three. All other lineups next to the Big Three? 109.8. The average team? About 103.0. 三王搭配 2 Wings(雙側翼)這樣隊形,當我們換算每100次持球進攻得到的平均分數,發 現熱火有127.4分得分,球隊其他隊形的平均得分率:109.8分,聯盟平均約103.0分。 So I know what you're thinking: What about defense? Funny thing, they've performed even better on that side of the ball. How many points do the Heat allow per 100 possessions when they play two wings instead of a center and a point guard? 可能會有人會擔心,防守要怎麼辦?有趣的是,反而他們打的防守也更好。我們來看在三 王+雙側翼,在缺少中鋒+控衛的情況,熱火每百次持球進攻失多少分? That's 79.9 points. The league average, again, is about 103 points. 只有79.9分失分,而聯盟平均失分,一樣是103分 That sound you hear? Yeah, that's the collective gasp of 29 other NBA teams. 你想的沒錯,聯盟其他29支球隊平均分數是103分。 This is powerful stuff, and there's no doubt the statistically inclined Heat organization is aware of the fireworks that those lineups ignite. (For those wondering, the wings are Shane Battier, Mike Miller, James Jones and Eddie House.) 數據會說話,令人很難反駁這強有力的論點,熱火本身也開始意識到這種隊形的威力。 (這兩年側翼球員是Shane Battier、Mike Miller、James Jones和Eddie House) It's here that we must mention the sample size isn't gigantic -- it all amounts to about two full games of basketball. And a lot of those lineups may have been used because the opponent took its dominant big man off the floor (but how many of those are left in the league?). 我們必須附註說明一點,這樣本數量並不大,累加僅僅只有約兩場比賽的時間,而這隊形 派出通常在對手最有統治力的大個子下場的時候。(不過聯盟又有幾個這樣的大個子球員?) Still, an efficiency differential of plus-47.4 is bordering on mercy rule levels, even if it isn't an enormous sample size. If nothing else, it should tell the Heat to try running those lineups out there until the efficiency comes back down to earth. If it ever does. 況且,即使避談樣本不大的問題,勝分差值+47.4也可能是蹂躪低程度的對手所洗出來的。 沒太多的目的,它或只能提醒熱火可多嘗試運作這些隊形上場,直到數值有足夠樣本降回 到常態的統計。如果它回得來的話。 The main takeaway here is that the Heat shouldn't handcuff themselves to convention. Playing a traditional point guard and center might make the lineup card look less funky, but it probably limits their potential. 這數據能點到的附加論述,則是熱火不應把自身被傳統觀念給綁住。擺出具傳統控球後衛 和中鋒的隊形固然讓人心安,但也有可能壓抑球隊的潛能。 Why? 怎麼說? The Heat's big men just haven't been very good. Anthony may be the best option they've had the past two seasons, simply because he can snuff out a pick-and-roll and recover better than almost any big man in the league. He hustles, too, but that doesn't fully compensate for his lack of offensive skill. 首先,熱火沒有一個夠出色的內線球員,JA也許是他們過去兩季最好的選擇,全因為他的 靈活度能破壞對手的檔切戰術。另外,他擁有比聯盟其他大個球員有更好的體能恢復力。 他拚搶意識也積極破表,但這些都還不足以彌補他進攻技巧的貧乏。 Secondly, James and Wade can take turns bringing the ball up the floor. Once that's taken care of, the Heat's offense starts as usual. Sure, Mario Chalmers can guard opposing point guards better than Allen, but one of the longstanding truths of basketball is that guarding a guy such as Russell Westbrook, Derrick Rose or Chris Paul is a five-man operation, not an individual battle. The 79.9 defensive rating hints at that theory. 再說,James和 Wade可輪流控球,只要他們其中一個還在場上,熱火的團隊攻勢仍會一如 往常。當然,Chalmers防守對方控衛或許比 Allen更好,但對籃球長久以來的真理而言, 防守如 Russell Westbrook、Derrick Rose或 Chris Paul如此高水準的球員,一直是場上 五人團隊的共同任務,而非個人的戰鬥。僅僅79.9分的平均失分暗示了這個道理。 The Heat peppered their news conferences Wednesday with assurances that they're planning to play a different brand of basketball than the traditional one. They've taken a gamble by signing two players who will be a combined 70 years old at the start of next season, but it's hard to imagine the Heat getting young talent at a discount like they did with Allen and Lewis. Also, the Heat could probably use another backup center (Ronny Turiaf?) to keep James and Bosh from burning out in their new roles. But they're clearly headed in the direction of a versatile attack without a traditional center. 熱火周三密集發佈這些簽約新聞,等於是開出了預計打與傳統相左的籃球招牌的保證。將 於下賽季登場的這兩名簽約球員,加起來也近70歲了,雖是不小的賭注,不過也很難想像 熱火搶得到擁有 Allen和 Lewis的才能又便宜好用的年輕潛力股。此外,熱火還是可能買 個備胎中鋒(Ronny Turiaf?)頂著,以維持 James和 Bosh在他們的新定位燃燒的能量。 話雖如此,他們還是正引領著無傳統中鋒的多方位攻擊的隊形潮流。 If these numbers are any indication, that direction is probably the right one. 如果說這些數據有任何指引,或許是對目前球隊而言,提出了正確的方向。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 111.243.34.135

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別吧 跪求補中鋒
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能補到C當然是最好> <
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wow
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先推再看,就等這些文!!
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別傻了 狀元歐登跟榜眼米粒快點簽吧
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第6頁是不是有翻錯,應該是三王搭2Wing?
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抱歉,筆誤已修正,感謝~

07/15 15:54, , 9F
不補C根本就太傷BOSH了 根本錯位打法耶 波許打C LBJ打大前
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即便效果很讚 但根本燃燒生命打法QQ
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能簽到Oden和米粒當然最好,因為這些可以大幅增加陣容的
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變化性,但是熱火還是不會將重心放在禁區
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假如明年又是雷火對決,很可能又會出現中鋒一場都沒上
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很有水準的評論,推~
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控球WADE 得分雷槍 中鋒歐等or米粒 小前皇帝 大前霸許
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跪求榜眼快來 順位比WADE高的男人
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打短程衝刺可以,打季賽會死人的 = =,這也是為什麼這種威力
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是所有三王組合裡打最少的,不是沒有道理的
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※ 編輯: l2l 來自: 111.243.34.135 (07/15 16:40)

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看來小米粒因該不會來了
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馬壓 不希望lcd因為這樣的打法而生涯提早結束...
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合體->打久一點 結果因為陣容->提早結束..
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補個米粒或oden 搞不好統計的數據就不是這樣子了
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LCD+2wings 這個季後賽用用還ok 季賽都這樣打會死人的XD
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不看好米粒 光跟Dampier Magloire這些七呎中鋒比 績效還更差
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進攻 籃板 防守 傳球 以長人標準看都很弱 唯一優勢:年輕和名氣
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更別提他的態度問題 當兩年這麼多失敗的案例 還有必要賭米粒?
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至於Oden 先把傷養好再來... 還拄著拐杖談什麼加盟呢?
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kerker米粒沒有名氣的= =
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好文
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Bosh受傷,難不成改派2000萬去頂C,別鬧了
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Bosh頂C,最好不要成為常態,會死人的
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沒辦法這樣都拿到冠軍了,Riley可以明正言順打小球
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小球的定義是啥? 每個位置都比人家矮嗎?
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不是看身高的,雖然有一定的關係
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殘體字,不喜勿入
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這個我有看到 我是想問ignativs 定義的小球啦
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引領潮流往往辛苦
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冠軍證明一切
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相信萊里
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Riley其實也沒承認過自己是打小球,他只是說籃球在變,現在沒
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有位置的打法當道,其實還是有位置,只是簡化成三個而非五個
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他這套思維的確在今年季後賽發揚光大了
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我也查不到小球比較清楚的定義 有的攻防速度快 有的說沒有
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傳統定義的C 就是了 小球戰術最有名 就太陽跟勇士吧 又有人
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他們類型有點差異(勇士是老尼那時) 可是我看這兩隊就直接
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想到 小球是指不防守的嗎XD 只是拼命的進攻
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但是 我今天剛好看到某期 Slam Bosh 說道 熱火的基礎是D
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Defence 即便他們沒有所謂的大個 進攻失常時 還是能倚靠D
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MIA's D 就是油頭一直為熱火建軍以來的信念吧
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當然現在有LCD 這三個強大的進攻手在 不過MIA's D 更恐怖
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因為這三個防守 LD就不用說了 Bosh也是不錯的
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還是只要打非陣地戰 就是小球 0.0a? LBJ太逆天了 除了對到C
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(高的那種)基本上防守都不會太吃虧
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油頭也說不是打小球 說打的速度型 不過多數人還是認為是小
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球吧 所以才好奇 小球定義QQ
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這一切還是因為有怪物全能LBJ吧XD
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基本上這套理念要有的球員就是都能守傳統上2-3個位置以上的
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LBJ能守五個位置太誇張算是王牌,不過即使沒有他,也是有機會
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打這套戰術,只是能否如此成功,就要看球員磨合程度了
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小球大部分也是暗示放棄防守以攻代守,可是熱火的防守
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我覺得因為有LBJ,所以讓油頭這個新思維提早被大家注視
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不是之前那些快速小球球隊能比擬的
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LBJ 可以守1-5 Wade也能守1-3 不過守到甜瓜 PP那種容易被吃
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傳統的小球根本是放棄防守阿XD 體力全用在進攻 QQ 熱火的
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防守可是聯盟數一數二的(至少是防守兩分球部份) 感覺體力
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分配跟傳統小球不一樣 還有可能跟生化人體力太恐怖有關-.-
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勇士的小球感覺就是亂刀流..太陽就是Nash快打攻守轉換
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至於熱火應該只是身高矮被迫打快XDD
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熱火應該只有C身高吃虧 其他位置應該都還好吧?
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今年有看過一篇訪問老手套的報導
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他說在他眼中現在nba有在玩防守的只有兩隊:公牛還有
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熱火
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同意,再補個超賽,全NBA真的有成功"防守體系"的球隊
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三王都是可以打多位置的球員 Bosh能投三分加上過臭臉像過
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木樁一樣 WADE和LBJ能守的範圍都很大
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以前太陽小球核心是Marion這全能球員 LBJ又比他高不只一檔
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太陽小球核心絕對是Nash...Marion只是跳跳人
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應該說Marion是骨 Nash是腦 無傳統中鋒應該可以稱為小球
07/16 09:37, 79F

07/16 09:42, , 80F
小球還是需要內線衝擊力的 所以尼爾森教練會需要偉柏
07/16 09:42, 80F

07/16 09:43, , 81F
因為3.4號球員在NBA差距過大 要以3號身材可以扛4號又能以
07/16 09:43, 81F

07/16 09:45, , 82F
速度打爆對方4號 太陽的攻守轉換是靠Marion的籃板+nash
07/16 09:45, 82F

07/16 09:46, , 83F
的傳球 熱火是用生化人跑出來 當然那兩隻生化人傳球也好
07/16 09:46, 83F

07/16 09:47, , 84F
熱火解決了太陽小球的缺點 現在補兩支外線可以確定更往
07/16 09:47, 84F

07/16 09:49, , 85F
當時太陽小球的優點前進當時前鷹王跟阿Q都飆約200顆三分
07/16 09:49, 85F

07/16 11:11, , 86F
我不認為Marion是骨,因為太陽沒有Marion後小球一樣打的起來
07/16 11:11, 86F

07/16 11:11, , 87F
說他是太陽小球戰術的骨還滿怪的,來來去去,只要Nash在,他
07/16 11:11, 87F

07/16 11:12, , 88F
們的小球就都打的還不錯,有點大看Marion了
07/16 11:12, 88F

07/16 12:25, , 89F
太陽的小球戰術核心在Nash吧
07/16 12:25, 89F

07/16 13:06, , 90F
一個命中率驚人的控衛 整支球隊就贏一半了
07/16 13:06, 90F
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