[外絮] 2013-14球季至今效率最差得分手已回收

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The Worst Shooters So Far 2013-14球季至今效率最差得分手 (部落格好讀版:http://mola79321.pixnet.net/blog/post/344286722) On Wednesday, we looked at the most efficient scoring players in the league. Today, we flip it around and report the bad news. Like Wednesday's list, I limited this list to players with at least 300 field goal attempts, which gets Ricky Rubio and some others off the hook this time, but the season is young and this group will evolve over time. 在前幾天,我們看到現在聯盟中最有效率的得分手。(文章名:2013-14球季至今 效率最佳得分手)今天,我們來和大家講講故事的另一面。就像星期三的名單一樣 ,我將名單的條件設為為至少300次出手。這條件讓Ricky Rubio和一些其他球員在 這次專題中掉出名單外。但球季還長,這名單也會隨著時間變化。 Anyway, this is always a depressing exercise, because every year this list is full of great young talent who, for whatever reason, can’t make shots. This year is no exception. Everyone on this list is under 30 — there are two rookies — and every player here has the potential to be a really good NBA player. And of course, Josh Smith is back. 不管如何,做這項專題一直都讓人沮喪。因為每年一堆年輕有天分的球員都擠進這 份名單,不知為何,他們就是無法投進球。今年也不例外。這名單的每位成員都小 於30歲,而且有兩位菜鳥。同時,裡面每位球員都有潛力成為非常優秀的NBA球員 。沒錯,Josh Smith回到這份名單了。 So, in no particular order: 以下排列沒有特別的順序: Tyreke Evans, ShotScore per 100 shots: -24 Tyreke Evans is one of the most enigmatic players in the league. Anyone with eyeballs can see how gifted he is, but he just can’t shoot ... or can he? Here are two stats about Evans from this season: Tyreke Evans是聯盟中最謎樣的球員之一。任何有長眼的人都看得出他天花板多 高,但他就是沒辦法投進球,或者…其實他能?以下是Evans這季的兩個數據: ‧ Has made 82 percent of his free throws. 他的罰球命中率是82%。 ‧ Has made only 24 percent of his field goal attempts beyond eight feet. 他在八呎外的投籃命中率只有24%。 I have trouble reconciling these two facts; how can a player so smooth at the line look so awful from the field? To his credit, Evans seems to be self-aware enough to not be an active jump shooter, but it is still frustrating. His ability to knock down free throws demonstrates that he has great touch, but something mechanical breaks down when he is shooting off the dribble. It seems like the right shooting coach could make it click, and if he could just convert those jumpers at league-average rates, his overall game would soar. He has all-world attacking skill, but without the threat of the jumper his defenders can sag and overprotect those driving lanes. 我無法將上述兩個事實牽上線。一個在罰球線上投籃這麼順暢的球員,怎麼比賽 中投籃卻能這麼糟?要給他點鼓勵,因為Evans似乎自己意識到不要投太多的跳投 ,但這依然讓人受挫。他能投進罰球的能力代表他有著優異的手感,但一旦運球 後,他投籃機制的某一部分便崩潰了。似乎只要有位對的投球教練便能讓這一切 恢復正軌,而且只要他的投籃命中率達到聯盟平均水準,他的球賽整體內容將會 起飛。他有著世界頂尖的切入技巧,但沒有跳投的威脅,那他的防守者便能沉退 並花更多心思在保護切入路線。 http://ppt.cc/lHE0 Tony Wroten, ShotScore per 100 shots: -21 Speaking of Evans, a player who has been described as the "poor man’s Tyreke Evans" is, unsurprisingly, having a bad year from the field. In some ways, Tony Wroten’s shot chart looks like he should play for the Rockets; he absolutely refuses to shoot in the midrange. But unlike those guys in Houston, Wroten doesn’t make his 3s very often. He’s been pretty active beyond the arc, and he’s been terrible out there. Out of 85 players with at least 100 3-point attempts, Wroten is 84th in efficiency. Spoiler alert: Josh Smith ranks 85th. 談到Evans,一位被稱為「窮人版Tyreke Evans」的球員,不意外的也有著掙扎的 投籃球季。某方面來說,Tony Wroten的投籃圖表似乎表示著他應該為火箭隊打球 。他完全不想要投中距離。但不像火箭隊球員,Wroten無法砍進那些三分球。他 在三分外線表現得相當積極,同時,他在那邊的表現也相當糟。總共有85位球員 本季出手至少100球三分球,Wroten的效率是第84名。有雷!Josh Smith的排名是 85。 http://ppt.cc/TBB7 Victor Oladipo, ShotScore per 100 shots: -18 Oladipo is one of the best rookies in the league. He looks like the kind of player that will get better and savvier each year, and I bet he’ll have a long career in the league. Still, like many young players, he struggles to score. So far this year, Oladipo is a below-average producer everywhere on the court, with one exception: He’s pretty decent near the right elbow, which is encouraging. If he can develop that pull-up move, a lot of other things will fall into place. He has often been compared to Dwyane Wade, but as a scorer, he’s going to have to vastly improve his finishing skills to earn that comparison going forward. Oladipo是聯盟最佳的菜鳥。他看起來會年年成長,而且會更加理解球賽內容。 同時,我敢打賭他在能在聯盟中生存很久。然而,就像許多年輕球員般,得分對 他來說不容易。這季目前為止,Oladipo在球場的任何一處的得分效率都低於平 均。除了一處,他在右邊肘區的表現很不錯,這頗激勵人。如果他可以長出那個 拔起來跳投的招,那很多問題便能解決。他常常被拿來和Dwyane Wade比,但就 一個得分手來說,他還要更努力在加強自己的得分技巧,才能贏得和Wade比較的 權利。 http://ppt.cc/Vevv Michael Carter-Williams, ShotScore per 100 shots: -17 Like Oladipo, the Sixers' Michael Carter-Williams is another very strong rookie performer who is having trouble scoring. In fact, though he is currently the favorite to win the Rookie of the Year award, Carter-Williams is having a very tough debut season as a shooter overall. 如Oladipo一般,七六人的Michael Carter-Williams是另一位超級新人,卻有得 分上的問題。即使現在他是新人王的最愛人選,事實上,Carter-Williams以得 分手的角度來說,這菜鳥年並不輕鬆。 http://ppt.cc/412j After a promising start, his efficiency numbers have plummeted. He has made less than a third of his shots outside of eight feet, and has been particularly bad from the top of the arc, where other point guards like Damian Lillard and Jose Calderon excel. More than any other team in the league, the Sixers should go out and find the best shooting coach in the world. Carter-Williams, Wroten, and Nerlens Noel are each potential stars, but their inability to shoot stands in their way. 在充滿前途的開季後,他的效率數據便筆直下滑。他在八呎外的出手命中率不到 33%。在弧頂位置他尤其糟糕,而這位置是像Damian Lillard和Jose Calderon等 後衛最精通的位置。在聯盟中所有球隊,就屬七六人最應該去找全世界最好的投 籃教練。Carter-Wiliiams、Wroten和Nerlens Noel都是潛力新星,但他們無法 投籃的能力卻檔住那條康莊大道。 Does Chip Engelland like cheesesteaks? Sam Hinkie should find out; Brett Brown should already know. Chip Engelland喜歡起司牛排嗎?Sam Hinkie應該要知道。而Brett Brown早該 知道了。(譯按:Sam Hinkie為七六人GM;Brett Brown為七六人總教練。) Josh Smith, ShotScore per 100 shots: -16 If you haven’t seen this, I guess we should start here: 如果你還沒看過下面這影片,我猜我們應該從這影片看起: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LFkpyCdceIk
Sometimes I feel like every column I write about bad shooting is a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert and the part where I rant about Josh Smith is “Free Bird.” Everyone knows it’s coming, but I have to do it anyway. 有時候我覺得每篇我寫關於投籃能力差的專欄,都像是Lynyrd Skynyrd的演唱會 般。而我侃侃而談Josh Smith的部分就像是「Free Bird」這首歌般。大家都知 道他會出現,但我還是得作。 Last summer, I was very excited when Smith entered free agency; I felt that in the proper offense, under the right coach, and alongside the right teammates, something might click and his All-Star potential could finally be unlocked. I have always claimed that if Smith would only focus on offensive rebounding, attacking the basket, and operating on the blocks, he’d be a really great player. 上個夏天,我對於Smith進入自由市場感到非常興奮。我覺得在適當的進攻體系 、正確教練的麾下,同時有著對的隊友,可能會開起某個神奇按鈕,然後他的全 明星潛力終能被解放。我一直主張,如果Smith專注於進攻籃板、進攻籃框,以 及在低位進攻,他會成為一位非常頂級的球員。 I still feel that way, but Detroit is just not the place, at least right now. It’s an unstable situation, the offensive tactics are unclear at best, and with young bigs like Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond clogging up the paint there’s no room in the Pistons frontcourt. As a result, Smith plays the 3 too much, and in turn he’s taking even more jumpers than he did in Atlanta. 我依舊這麼認為,但活塞隊就不是他能當那個角色的球隊,至少現在不會是。現 在活塞隊的狀況不穩定,進攻戰術充其量還在不明朗的階段。而且,有著像Greg Monroe和Andre Drummond這些年輕長人塞在油漆區,活塞前場已經沒空間了。結 果就是Smith打太多小前鋒,這使得他的跳投出手比在老鷹隊還要多。 This is like sending Cookie Monster to a rehab run by the Keebler Elves. What if Smith had landed in a place like Dallas? Something tells me his chart would look different this year. But he’s in Detroit, and I may as well have copied and pasted this chart from his Atlanta days because it feels like a rerun, and this bird has not changed. 這就像是叫餅乾公司的Keebler Elves把愛吃餅乾的Cookie Monster送去餅乾勒戒 所一樣。如果Smith是到小牛隊會怎樣呢?我有感覺他的投籃表會和今年長的不同 。不過他在活塞,所以我大概只要把他在老鷹隊的投籃圖表複製貼上就好。因為 看起來只是悲劇重演,而這隻鳥一點也沒變。 http://ppt.cc/EiIb According to ShotScore, these are the five least-efficient volume shooters in the NBA so far this season. However, they are not alone, and some of these guys may very well shoot their way out of the cellar. If you’re looking for other bricklayers around the league, here are some other guys to watch: Rubio, Ramon Sessions, Cody Zeller, Jeff Teague, Brandon Jennings, and Jeff Taylor, who may actually be the worst shooter in the NBA right now. Although shooting is only one component of offense, it’s a really important one, and although these players all have lots of potential, their inability to convert shots is what's preventing them from turning potential into reality. 這就是根據ShotScore分析的目前聯盟最沒效率的大量得分手。不過,他們並不孤 單,而且這五位球員也很有可能谷底反彈。如果你在尋找聯盟中其他的鐵匠,以下 上需要關注的幾位:Rubio、Ramon Sessions、Cody Zeller、Jeff Teague、 Brandon Jennings和Jeff Taylor。而Jeff Taylor現在真的是NBA中最差的射手。 雖然,投籃只是進攻的一環,但它是相當重要的環節。同時,雖然這些球員有著很 大的潛力,他們無法投籃的問題正是讓潛力無法發揮的原因。 原文網址- http://tinyurl.com/o4lrmf3 心得: 本文介紹的三位年輕球員是在成長的過程中 我也相信他們在正確的訓練下會長出好的投籃機制 不過第一位的TE和第五位的Josh Smith可就沒這麼樂觀了 TE算是在國王養壞了,前幾年在投籃這塊似乎沒有下大功夫 有看他比賽的都知道,他罰球的投籃姿勢問題不大 但跳投卻怎樣都感覺不太對 尤其是三分出手,投籃的節奏很不流暢 這對他來說真的很傷,因為防守者明顯不怕他投籃 現在他身邊的隊友都有頂級外線能力(EG、Holiday、RA,還有Morrow) 希望能對他有幫助 至於Josh的問題是他真的不該投這麼多外線 但活塞的陣容卻迫使他必須要投外線 事實上,他投了這麼多年還長不出外線也是滿神奇的... 他成為這種專欄的常客真的頗令人難過 畢竟天份都擺在那 如果離不開活塞的話 Josh不是找個頂級投籃教練來幫忙 就是減少外線跳投,以別的方法來幫助球隊 -- 新手NBA外電翻譯+數據分析部落格;內有網誌好讀版 http://mola79321.pixnet.net/blog 歡迎來討論!!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 36.231.252.133

01/14 21:36, , 1F
MCW開季果然只是意外,他大學就是以跳投爛聞名XD
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有史密斯怎麼沒有丁尺?
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有比盧洨比還要的嗎?
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沒lin 失敗 失真
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JOSH只要乖乖肯往內打 其實根本沒什麼人擋得住
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01/14 21:39, , 7F
可惜JOSH不能往內打 裡面除了對手還有自己人
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01/14 21:39, , 8F
空間太小了
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總不太可能較抓猛去站外線
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01/14 21:40, , 10F
最好是 活塞隊友根本沒人會卡他空間 抓猛只會補籃
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01/14 21:40, , 11F
推~所以說上次阿拓被TE16呎跳投絕殺只能說是命了XDDD
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01/14 21:41, , 12F
有看比賽就知道 抓猛再進攻部分不會要球 只等著抓籃
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01/14 21:41, , 13F
Josh現在看起來像活塞又當冤大頭
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01/14 21:42, , 14F
而monroe也常常鬼隱 站在比較外面 josh自己不往內打
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01/14 21:44, , 15F
小牛禁區空蕩蕩的 JOSH去應該會打得很開心
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.....................
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推個 謝謝
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01/14 21:48, , 18F
Evans數據一年比一年差
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01/14 21:50, , 19F
Josh在小牛打的位置很尷尬,四號有Dirk了
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01/14 21:51, , 20F
Josh本來就不愛往裡打了 現在內線又爆滿
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01/14 21:56, , 21F
怎沒有今年狀元
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Josh以前就不愛往裡打了 2K14裡也一樣...生涯模式選
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兩個老鳥同樣都擁有絕佳的身體素質......
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秀被活塞選到 球給他有空檔就噴了
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01/14 21:57, , 25F
可以借轉嘛?
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01/14 21:57, , 26F
reke的部分今年是因為傷勢加上新球隊的關係 所以導致
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01/14 21:58, , 27F
他在一開始的外圍跳投部分非常的糟糕 而且在鵜鶘他的
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01/14 21:58, , 28F
我的文都可以隨便轉XD 站外就附上原文網址就好了^^
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01/14 21:58, , 29F
定位就是要往裡面衝 因為外圍設定有Morrow和Ryno兩位
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01/14 21:59, , 30F
射手 再加上自信心的問題 才會這麼糟糕 可以相比他去
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01/14 21:59, , 31F
年的成績 那才比較像是他該有的成績 他本來就不需要
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01/14 22:00, , 32F
有急停跳投的能力 能夠有定點投射就很夠用了 前一段
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時間他自信心恢復後 外圍成績回穩(看那一段時間的成
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績才比較準) 所以阿拓被他絕殺也不能說是他塞到的
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01/14 22:01, , 35F
而且這標題有些問題 會讓他以前這些人得分很爛 其實
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01/14 22:02, , 36F
只是外圍跳投部分而已 而且reke這季的PER是生涯新高
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01/14 22:02, , 37F
不要再說什麼新人年就生涯年這種擺明沒關心他的話了
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好聞!
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01/14 22:06, , 39F
LS的Free Bird是代表性作品,和LZ的Stairway to Heave
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還有 53 則推文
還有 1 段內文
01/14 23:11, , 93F
ShotScore有他的道理, 但是在說明誰更有效率上卻
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不是很好
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我是認為這不失一個評判標準 能讓球員了解該在哪裡多
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ShotScore可以找出在每個位置都相對比其他人好的球員
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加強
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01/14 23:12, , 98F
但是卻忽略了, 有些球員是靠合理的出手分配提高效率
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一個例子就是去年的Bosh
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Bosh去年的遠中距離非常威...
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01/14 23:14, , 101F
他中距離準到 把一個沒效率的出手位置 投到算是有
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效率....從這個角度看, 你說他有效率的確說得過去
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但是有效率中距離 仍然比普通的內線差...
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01/14 23:15, , 104F
^的 ^在絕對效率上
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Bosh去年的遠中距離的FG%是0.494, 可以說是神準
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01/14 23:16, , 106F
但是隨便一個只有平均水準的球員的at rim, 都比這個
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高..
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01/14 23:17, , 108F
我懂 以得分期望值的效率來看 同樣的兩分球比較起來
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中距離再準也不會比中庸的籃下命中率高
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01/14 23:18, , 110F
但我得看法是 在球場上 你的籃下進攻是寶貴的
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當你不能放進該放進的籃下出手時 對球隊來說是也算沒
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效率的象徵
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01/14 23:18, , 113F
但是以絕對效率來說 這種看法的確有問題XD
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01/14 23:19, , 114F
at rim的確是寶貴 不過3p就不是了..
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聯盟平均3p%大概是0.340...也是比0.494的遠中距離有
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在絕對效率上要高
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01/14 23:21, , 117F
我是覺得ShotScore有他的道理 但是不適合用來說明
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01/14 23:21, , 118F
效率...他真正說明的是相對的準度
01/14 23:21, 118F

01/14 23:24, , 119F
我覺得Wrost Shooters跟Best Shooters用ShotScore還
01/14 23:24, 119F

01/14 23:24, , 120F
ok..但是most efficient scoring players就不適合用
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01/14 23:24, , 121F
ShotScore這個數據去辨識
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01/14 23:25, , 122F
又推了一大篇 ...真是XD
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01/14 23:27, , 123F
我跟我女友到現在還沒分
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01/14 23:29, , 124F
I大說得很有道理阿 以絕對效率來說這數據的確有瑕疵
01/14 23:29, 124F

01/14 23:50, , 125F
TE QQ. 很喜歡他的切入 不過中遠距離真的是罩門
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01/14 23:52, , 126F
MCW真的只是用高出手換得分 比KI還毒
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01/14 23:58, , 127F
Wroten最慘的是罰球吧...命中率在後衛裡幾乎墊底了
01/14 23:58, 127F

01/15 00:07, , 128F
原來TE的跳投這麼鳥喔
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01/15 00:15, , 129F
OLA的確很多球自己有機會就投了 反正他目前的組織...
01/15 00:15, 129F

01/15 00:16, , 130F
我還希望趁AA傷際 可以讓OLA的得分解放
01/15 00:16, 130F

01/15 01:02, , 131F
TO eliczone : TE的PER生涯最高是第一年
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01/15 05:18, , 132F
Evans年年下滑到一定程度後被熱火吸收復活?^^
01/15 05:18, 132F
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