[外絮] 你以為Rondo很不準?那你就錯了!已回收

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Everything You Think You Know About Rondo’s Shooting Is Wrong 你以為Rondo很不準?那你就錯了! (部落格影音圖文好讀板:http://mola79321.pixnet.net/blog/post/348123374) Tonight marks the return of Rajon Rondo, one of the most enigmatic and entertaining players in the league. The Celtics are in desperate need of a boost. So is the Eastern Conference, for that matter. Rondo will hopefully provide that, but big questions remain about his health and his ability to shine in a post-Ubuntu world. Rajon Rondo復出啦!他是聯盟中最謎樣且最能娛樂球迷的球員之一。塞爾迪克 隊急需些動力。東區也一樣。希望Rondo能成為那個推手,但最大的問題在於他 的健康程度以及他是否能在後Pierce時代發光發熱。 Rondo grew up in a point guard’s dream, winning a title and dishing out assists to future Hall of Famers at literally every position on the court (if you count the Shaq era). But those guys are all gone now, and Rondo is left as the chief operating officer of Boston’s fledgling start-up franchise. More than ever, that New England spotlight will shine down upon him. More than ever, he’ll be the subject of Tommy Heinsohn’s grandfatherly praise and Michael Felger’s drive-time trolling. Rondo在控衛的夢想球隊中成長。他奪得總冠軍,並且球隊每個位置都有未來名 人堂球員接他傳的助攻(如果你把Shaq在塞隊的期間也算的話)。但這些名人堂 前輩都離隊了,而Rondo現在是重建中賽隊的指揮官。Rondo將得到比過往更多的 新英格蘭區鎂光燈。他也將比過去生涯任何一刻得到更多的塞爾迪克播報員讚美 。 Whether he wants to be or not, Rondo is now the face of the Celtics organization. 不管他是否願意,Rondo都是現在塞爾迪克隊的看板球星。 Rondo will bear an unfamiliar scoring burden upon his return and, more than ever, his infamous jump shot will be on full display. Since arriving in the league, Rondo has had a reputation as a bad shooter, but is that still a fair characterization? Rondo在回歸球場後,將會擔起不熟悉的得分責任。同時,他會有比過往還要多的 機會展現那惡名昭彰的跳投。自從進入NBA後,Rondo一直都被視為跳投很差的球 員。但他至今依舊保有這個特色嗎? http://ppt.cc/MhaP Rondo and his giant Kentucky hands entered the league in the fall of 2006. For a taste of what the scouts thought of him back then, check out this telling passage from a 2005 DraftExpress scouting report: Rondo和他那雙大手在2006年進入NBA。先來看看過去球探怎麼評價他的,下面是 2005年球探報告中的一段文字: “The biggest concern about his game revolves around his perimeter shooting ability. Much like with what we see with big men at the free throw line, Rondo ’s massive hands prevent him from being comfortable in his shooting mechanics and show any consistency in his release. We saw his shooting mechanics change drastically all season long, and more often than not it looked like he was heaving a bowling ball at the basket both aesthetically and in terms of the end result. He only hit 18 3-pointers all season long and did it on a dreadful 27% accuracy from this range.” 「Rondo的球技最令人擔心的一塊就是外線跳投能力。就像我們觀察到大個子球員 在罰球線的表現般,Rondo的大手掌讓他無法有舒服的投籃機制,而且他出手姿勢 毫無規律可言。我們看到他在整個球季中不斷變換投籃機制。而且很多時候無論在 投籃美感上或是投籃結果,他都像是向籃框丟保齡球般。」 Back in his rookie season, Rondo seemed tentative shooting the ball. Almost two-thirds of his attempts occurred close to the rim, and on the few occasions when he did take jumpers, he met those low scouting expectations. He made just 29 percent of his shots outside of eight feet, including only 21 percent of his 3-point attempts. 在他的菜鳥年,Rondo似乎不太敢投外線。將近三分之二的出手來自於籃框附近。 而當他偶爾投外線跳投時,他的確表現的和看扁他投籃的球探預期一樣。他在八呎 外的跳投命中率只有29%,其中包含悲慘的21%三分命中率。 http://ppt.cc/e38V But things slowly changed, and Rondo has gradually grown more comfortable as a jump-shooter. Comparing his most common shooting locations between his rookie season and his injury-shortened 2012-13 season reveals a stark difference; he has morphed from a timid rookie who was afraid to shoot away from the hoop into a guy more than willing to shoot 17-footers beyond each elbow. 不過隨著時間演進,他的跳投慢慢有了改變。Rondo漸漸習慣外線跳投。比較他在 菜鳥球季和因傷出賽較少的2012-13球季,將會發現兩季的他在出手區域上有顯著 的差異。Rondo從害怕遠離籃框跳投的菜鳥,變成願意在肘區投17呎跳投的球員。 http://ppt.cc/dKun Before his knee injury last year, Rondo was essentially scoring from four distinct areas: near the hoop (where he’s crafty and effective for his size), beyond the arc along the left wing (where he’s not good), and off both elbows (where he is really good). 去年在他膝蓋受傷前,Rondo主要在四個區域得分:籃框附近(以他的身材來說, 他既刁鑽效率又高)、左邊側翼三分(表現不好),還有兩塊肘區(表現非常優 異)。 http://ppt.cc/pNov Rondo was actually one of the best elbow shooters in the league last season. Out of 141 NBA players who attempted at least 100 shots from the elbows, Rondo ranked fourth in field goal percentage in that zone — trailing only Jason Smith, Steve Nash, and Jose Calderon. Those are pretty good numbers for a guy who can’t shoot. Per Synergy Sports, he also earned a “very good” rating for shots off the dribble, and an “excellent” rating for long 2-point jumpers. 上個球季,Rondo甚至是聯盟中最優秀的肘區射手之一。141位在肘區出手超過100 次的球員中,Rondo的命中率排在第四。只輸給Jason Smith、Steve Nash和Jose Calderon。這對被評為「無法投籃」的人來說,這數據挺不賴的。根據Synergy Sports,他的運球後投籃被評為「非常好」,而長距離兩分球亦被評為「傑出」。 The NBA remains a pick-and-roll league, and Rondo has become a pick-and-roll demigod in part because he has worked to develop that reliable midrange jumper. But as of last year, lots of defenders were still sagging off him, or going under the picks, and as a result many of those elbow shots were uncontested. So, while he has put up really efficient numbers, they are arguably inflated. Unlike many of his “elite” point guard peers, some opponents still dare Rondo to shoot — nobody dares to dare Tony Parker or Chris Paul to shoot. Moreover, last season the Celtics were still decorating the perimeter with dangerous shooters including Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, and it remains to be seen if defenders will be as spatially generous with Rondo in the absence of those guys. NBA現在是個檔拆盛行的聯盟,而Rondo成長為檔拆神手。某部分的原因就在於他 花心力練出值得依賴的中距離跳投。但就去年來說,大多數的防守者依然不去貼 身防守他、或者是在防檔拆時繞過檔人者。所以多數的Rondo肘區跳投都是空檔出 手。因此,雖然他的跳投數據非常有效率,但那些數字可能有些誇大他的能力。 不像其他的幾位「頂尖」控衛,防守者依然放給Rondo投外線。而沒人敢Tony Parker或Chris Paul投。此外,上季塞爾迪克隊依然有著Kevin Garnett和Paul Pierce等幾位殺手級射手散布在場上。所以依然要觀察少了這幾位隊友後,防守 者是否還是像之前一樣放給Rondo投籃空間。 Still, in a league full of bad shooting point guards, I think it’s time to take Rondo off our “can’t shoot” list, and maybe redirect our brick-laying scorn toward the point guards in Charlotte, Minneapolis, or Oklahoma City. Rondo has limited range, but as Parker has demonstrated, you don’t need to shoot 3s to dominate at the point guard position. 儘管如此,在這充滿爛跳投控衛的聯盟中,我認為是時候把Rondo從「無法投籃」 的名單中刪除掉了。然後應該把打鐵的標籤貼到山貓、灰狼或是雷霆這幾隊的控衛 身上。Rondo的射程不遠,但如同Parker展現給眾人看,你不需要投三分球也可以 成為有統治力的控衛。 原文網址- http://tinyurl.com/mtzrq6c 心得: 不去特別注意的話,還真不會想到Rondo的中距離跳投命中率這麼高,對吧? 不過就像文內所說,去年很多防守者都習慣放給他投,同時塞隊陣容今非昔比。 因此,等Rondo慢慢找回比賽感覺後,可以好好來審視他是否有令人害怕的中距 離能力了。 此外,我覺得上季投籃數據雖然漂亮,但畢竟不是完整賽季。所以對Rondo來講, 嚴苛的考驗正等著他。 無論如何,我想其他球隊也會認真防守Rondo跳投了吧! -- 新手NBA外電翻譯+數據分析部落格;內有網誌好讀版 http://mola79321.pixnet.net/blog 歡迎來討論!!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.161.247.74

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偷酸金童
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Rondo這才叫做會得分但專注在助攻
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生涯130,看我刷助攻
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表的漂亮XD
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軟豆才剛回來, 還有得觀察
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還有待觀察是真的 不過去年的肘區表現真的不容小覷
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等明天對雷霆拿個20分以上再來說嘴吧~
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他可能還要個十幾場才能恢復身手吧
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酸酸只会酸
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我是覺得再怎麼樣還是要有中距離,現在已經不差了
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山貓灰狼雷霆:躺著也中槍
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我覺得他復出後都在慢跑XD
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希望他趕快恢復身手
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Harden也是超準~XD
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手大就不好投球的說法真的成立嗎?
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01/24 17:42, , 16F
軟豆手大再怎麼大也不會到不好投球的大小,再說,你
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樓上可以想想為何大個子的三分大部分都不準
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看看老喬,你還會相信手大一定不好投籃嗎?
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j大你可以想想大個子花多少時間練三分再來說吧
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可能不是絕對,但應該有關係
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商品展示囉~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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ZZ到底要不要好好討論啊
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手大不會不好投球 要大的誇張才會影響到吧
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像大歐 我相信他手真的大到影響他投球了
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籃球在他手上像是小孩子的玩具籃球
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01/24 17:53, , 26F
只要空檔會進就有價值,就算這命中率是人家放給你的
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01/24 17:54, , 27F
他投籃在這兩年真的有變準
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有朝一日大家不再認為送你投的時候,你就要多猜一種
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進攻模式了
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以他的切入能力,能好好利用換防或一定要繞前的空隙
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感覺是很不錯的
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喬丹的生涯三分命中率33%,普通水準,但他一開始的三
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分命中率其實很慘淡
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01/24 17:58, , 34F
就像DampierFor3一樣嗎?
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第一年三分命中率不到兩成,算是慢慢練起來的
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現在是DH for 3的時代了,我早就讓腎了..
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我也是想到MJ據說手很大,但中距離跳投準得要命
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歐肥自己懶得練習 老大也說过的
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中鋒等級的罰球
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不是說越小的球越好掌握嗎 像桌球就比網球好控
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不覺得長人不會投球跟手有關
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因為他們根本沒必要跑到外線啊...
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長人沒必要跑到外線,可是長人平常在進攻中比較容易要
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到罰球,其實投中距離也要掌握才對..
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一般做完檔拆或是上高位導球其實可以做出很多中距離
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出手的機會
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我只是在回應上面j大啦 :D 我認為跟練習量比較有關
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記得某年季後賽隊VS熱火,賽隊球傳到三分線喇叭詹正要
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補防,結果看到是軟豆就退回去了
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看到都笑了
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印象軟豆的罰球很杯具
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公牛老喬扣掉三分線縮短的那兩季多 命中率是29%
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罰球不好的原因有很多就是了,像馬刺隊有陣子主力那票
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罰球命中率很囧..
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小孩子的玩具籃球我可以連進350顆!so easy?
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看到標題就知道是誰PO文了
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阿豆的中距離...傑出!?嗯,我覺得魔獸的罰球很超群
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,甜瓜領導能力出眾
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有次季後賽 結束前對手要犯規..結果他拿著球往後跑
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追都追不到 比賽結束 XDD 這人真是聰明
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DH和RONDO一度在前幾年的季後賽 分別練出"中距離"
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DH不只罰球高達.600 就連罰球線跳投也敢投 也進得了
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但隔年受傷 準星就回不來了
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RONDO是在季後賽三分突然準起來 忘記對哪隊 最後關鍵
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連砍三分
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剛回來 準度卻時不如之前"磨出來"的手感 但相信大部
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份NBA球員私下練習都很準 場上有防守者跟勝負壓力
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就像之前Howard說他練習罰球有80%一樣吧 RR之前也有
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跟KD比3分的影片 也是很準(KD更不用說) 網路上也找的
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到RR練習跳投 其實準度都是OK的 希望他能找回球感
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稜上說的是2012打76人頭進關鍵3分吧 那時候我就覺得
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RR要跟老皮交接了 誰知到後來受傷 (那場是G6還G7?)
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軟豆是中二...可是真的蠻強的...
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我一直覺得他沒跳投沒關係, 沒罰球很傷
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Asik+Lin <-> Rondo
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好文推! 期待他快點復出
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除非他能把場均得分拉到15~20分,而且大部份靠跳投
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,不然還是容易被放外線
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Kidd以前也被說3分不準 結果命中數史上第3...
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KIDD算是少數前期比較偏靠體能 中後期三分還可以越來
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越準 甚至到關鍵也不可以放的人
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2010年東區決賽G5,神一般的演出
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G4
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KIDD真的很妙啊 年輕時三分超不準 老了超準
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他之前是真的滿準的
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說他手沒大的誇張的人 知道他手跟7呎以上的長人一樣
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大嗎
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魔獸練罰球八成,其他球員練習時可能是九成五之類的阿
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拿躲避球當籃球投投看阿 掌握度一定會有差距
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但是可以透過練習來減少影響
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喬單手大被說優勢,換成其他大個子罰球變劣勢…
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手小更難打籃球吧 感覺手大控球穩 反而更好= =
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躲避球難的點應該在太輕吧,如果是躲避球大小籃球重量
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應該不會比較難
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喬丹沒大到會影響的程度吧。。
01/25 04:04, 96F

01/25 06:14, , 97F
我記得受傷前的跳投都是前面防守球員放投不給切阿!
01/25 06:14, 97F

01/25 10:30, , 98F
我記得有KD跟軟豆pk三分的影片 軟豆很準阿
01/25 10:30, 98F
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