[外絮] Woj: NBA認真考慮改變賽制

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Sources: NBA considering reseeding conference finalists, postseason play-in NBA認真考慮改變賽制 - 季後賽種子制度改變、季後入圍賽 https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28145944 by Adrian Wojnarowski, Zach Lowe The NBA is engaged in serious discussions with the National Basketball Players Association and broadcast partners on sweeping and dramatic changes to the league calendar that include a reseeding of the four conference finalists, a 30 team in-season tournament, and a postseason play-in, league sources told ESPN. NBA與球員工會、轉播單位正在十分嚴肅的討論劇烈的賽制變動,包含各分區準決賽時 種子的重新排序、30支球隊一起參與的季中錦標賽以及季後入圍賽。 These scenarios include the shortening of the regular season to a minimum of 78 games, league sources said. 以上這些賽制設計中,預計例行賽最少可能縮短到78場。 Discussions are progressing with hopes of bringing a vote to the April meeting of the league's Board of Governors that would introduce some -- if not all of these proposals -- into the NBA's 75th anniversary season of 2021-2022, league sources said. The NBA still has work to do coordinating with constituents on the myriad of implications involving the proposed changes. 目前預計將於四月的理事會中進行投票,就算不是全部,也預計讓至少一部分的提案,在 聯盟75週年,也就是2021-22賽季開始實施。NBA目前還在努力和成員們溝通這些提案的用 意。 The reseeding of teams in the semifinal round -- based upon regular season record -- could give the NBA a championship series that includes its best two teams. The WNBA has been seeding teams in the playoffs without regard to conference for several seasons. 根據例行賽戰績所進行的準決賽種子重新排序,會保證讓NBA冠軍戰會由聯盟最好的兩支 隊伍交手。WNBA的季後賽種子排序就沒在看分區。 Commissioner Adam Silver has been driving this agenda of change -- especially the in-season tournament cup modeled after European soccer -- for years. The NBA is selling the idea of lucrative television and sponsorship revenue that would drive long-term growth and a combat stagnation in a rapidly splintering consumer environment. Adam Silver這些年來一直都在推動這些改變的議程 - 尤其是模仿歐洲足球的季中錦標賽 ,NBA一直想推銷這些改變能帶來的電視轉播以及贊助商機,認為他們能帶來長期的成長 並在分裂的消費者市場中對抗發展的停滯。 The league's working to make sure that the loss of revenue for teams and players with a shortened regular season would be break-even or better initially with significant financial windfalls in the long-term. 聯盟正在努力確保縮短的賽季所造成的收益損失能夠在短期內打平甚至小賺,長期下來能 夠獲得可觀的利益回報。 The NBA cannot implement these changes without an agreement with the NBPA, and those talks have been ongoing between groups led by Silver and NBPA executive director Michele Roberts, league sources said. NBA不能在沒有球員工會的同意下實行這些改變,Adam Silver一直以來都在與工會的執行 長Michele Roberts持續對話中。 In proposals that include adoption of in-season tournaments and post-season play-in, the traditional regular season schedule would be reduced from 82 games -- with most teams charted to play 78 or 79 games. There's an extremely limited possibility of a team playing a maximum of 83 games based on upon possible tournament and play-in scenarios, league sources said. For the in-season tournament, the NBA is focused on 30-team participation that begins with a divisional group stage of scheduled regular-season games. 在季中錦標賽與季後入圍賽的提案中,傳統的82場例行賽縮減,大部分隊伍可能會打78~79 場,非常極端的錦標賽與入圍賽賽程的話有可能打到83場。季中錦標賽的構想是讓30隊都 能參與,由例行賽的分組對決開始打起。 Those pre-knockout round games will be part of the regular season schedule. Six divisional winners -- based on home and away records in the group stage -- and teams with the next best two records would advance to a single-elimination knockout round, league sources said. 這些淘汰賽前的比賽將會包含在例行賽中,根據在分組中的主客場戰績取出六個分組的 龍頭,再取剩下的隊伍中戰績最好的兩隊前進到單淘汰賽階段。 Those teams could each potentially compete in quarterfinals, semifinals and finals. 這些隊伍有機會打到八強賽、準決賽、決賽。 Proposals exist that would compensate players and coaches for advancing in and winning the tournament, league sources said. Even with possible passage, the NBA has no illusions that it will get the entire league to make an immediate enthusiastic commitment to the importance of competing for an in-season tournament championship, but does believe that would come with time and tradition. 在提案中有提到會補償晉級錦標賽的球員和教練。儘管這個提案可能會通過,但NBA知 道不太可能馬上讓整個聯盟都對這個季中錦標賽的冠軍馬上燃起熱血,但相信這會隨著時 間慢慢變成一種傳統。 The NBA and NBPA are finding common ground on a post-Thanksgiving tournament window that would extend into mid-December, league sources said. Months ago, the NBA had proposed a late January-February tournament that would culminate with a Final Four on All-Star weekend, sources said. That idea faded fast. Both the union and team executives expressed concern over that idea. The NBPA was resistant to shortening players' All-Star breaks and requiring some to potentially participate in the in-season tournament and All-Star weekend. NBA與球員工會對於這個錦標賽的時程會落在感恩節後到12月中找到了共識。幾個月前, NBA本來提出的是1月底到2月時舉行,讓最後四強的比賽剛好落在全明星週末開打。但這 構想很快就告吹了,球員工會跟球隊都對這方案有疑慮。球員工會反對縮減球員們在全明 星賽的休息時間,而且有些球員很可能同時要打錦標賽跟全明星賽。 Teams were concerned that roster turnover at the early February trade deadline and ensuing buyout/waiver window could compromise the integrity of the tournament. 球隊方擔心的是原本二月的交易大限以及尋求買斷的時間會影響錦標賽的公平性。 As for timing, there was uncertainty that holding the tournament in January would risk losing viewership and media attention to the NFL playoffs. Running into March means competing with college basketball. The post-Thanksgiving window gives the NBA the chance to compete against only conference bowl championships and less consequential early bowl games. 關於時機這件事,在一月舉行錦標賽的話很有可能會因為NFL的季後賽而被搶走目光,而在 三月舉行的話就是跟大學籃球強撞。在感恩節後這時間打的話可以讓NBA只需要跟分區盃賽 搶觀眾。 The league has been hesitant about shoehorning tournament games onto the Christmas Day schedule; they (and their network partners, including ESPN/ABC) want to make sure every Christmas game features elite teams and franchises from the league's biggest markets. 聯盟也避免讓錦標賽與聖誕大戰的賽程重疊,聯盟與轉播媒體都想要保證每場聖誕大戰都 是由強隊以及大市場球隊參與。 The play-in proposal is this: two four-team tournaments featuring the seventh, eighth, ninth, and 10th seeds in each conference. The seventh seed would host the eighth seed, with the winner of that single game earning the seventh spot, league sources said. 至於季後入圍賽的提案是這樣的:由東西區的7~10名參加。第七名先跟第八名打一場,贏 的就用第七種子晉級。 The ninth seed would host the 10th seed, with the winner of that game facing the loser of the 7-versus-8 matchup for the final playoff spot. 第九名跟第十名先打一場,贏的就跟七八名對決中輸的那隊搶季後賽的最後一席。 Roberts and staff have been discussing league proposals extensively at the NBPA level and recently began bringing details of the league's calendar proposals to the broader membership on a team by team basis, sources said. Roberts and union officials meet with all 30 teams over the course of each regular season, these sessions with players are starting to take the shape. As high-ranking source said, "So far, there's been no real pushback." Roberts和職員以球員工會的層級進行了密集的討論,最近開始討論到日程安排上的細節, 並且開始與每一隊交換意見。Roberts和工會官員每一季都會和30支球隊碰面,與球員間 的交流也開始成形。一個高階的情報來源表示:「目前為止,並沒有嚴肅的反對意見。」 For the NBA to achieve its goal of implementation of the proposed changes for the 2021-2022 anniversary season, there's a clock on finding a framework that works for the teams, union and television partners before the April meeting of the Board of Governors, league sources said. Talks are ongoing, but legitimate and serious traction is emerging for dramatic change for the future of the NBA. NBA要在2021-2022球季達成他們所提案的更動的話,必須要在四月的理事會議前找到讓球 隊、工會和轉播商共同合作的架構。對話依然持續中,但是這些更動的可能性已經變得越 來越具體了。 -- tournament翻成錦標賽應該可以吧? 大家覺得季中錦標賽跟季後入圍賽的賽制會比較好嗎? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 61.224.147.174 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1574530305.A.688.html

11/24 01:32, 6年前 , 1F
不如跟CPBL來個上下半季冠軍阿XDDDDDDD
11/24 01:32, 1F

11/24 01:33, 6年前 , 2F
73勝要更難破了
11/24 01:33, 2F

11/24 01:34, 6年前 , 3F
想讓親兒子變成歷史笑話冠軍
11/24 01:34, 3F

11/24 01:35, 6年前 , 4F
73勝亞軍 這輩子看不到第二次了
11/24 01:35, 4F
※ 編輯: lens82801 (61.224.147.174 臺灣), 11/24/2019 01:40:14

11/24 01:36, 6年前 , 5F
先用開特力聯盟來試看看阿
11/24 01:36, 5F

11/24 01:36, 6年前 , 6F
縮短賽程 => 雷某: 輪休
11/24 01:36, 6F

11/24 01:36, 6年前 , 7F
以後各項累積數據都更難超了
11/24 01:36, 7F

11/24 01:39, 6年前 , 8F
有夠煩 78名敗隊還要跟9 10名打
11/24 01:39, 8F

11/24 01:41, 6年前 , 9F
累積數據還好吧 現在節奏比過去快 大多數一場的數
11/24 01:41, 9F

11/24 01:41, 6年前 , 10F
據也比以前一場還多 變78場不錯
11/24 01:41, 10F

11/24 01:41, 6年前 , 11F
中職領先全(部的)球(類運動)
11/24 01:41, 11F

11/24 01:41, 6年前 , 12F
73亞 永流傳
11/24 01:41, 12F

11/24 01:42, 6年前 , 13F
所以tournament 冠軍可以幹嘛
11/24 01:42, 13F

11/24 01:42, 6年前 , 14F
我記得很多當事人不是希望降到60多場嗎
11/24 01:42, 14F

11/24 01:43, 6年前 , 15F
已經不是親兒子了,不勝唏噓
11/24 01:43, 15F

11/24 01:43, 6年前 , 16F
如果要變成類似歐洲足球(歐冠)的概念
11/24 01:43, 16F

11/24 01:43, 6年前 , 17F
我覺得制度得全盤大改耶
11/24 01:43, 17F

11/24 01:44, 6年前 , 18F
歐冠畢竟是各國的球隊 拉出一個時間踢球
11/24 01:44, 18F

11/24 01:44, 6年前 , 19F
789這些爛隊打來打去還不是要一輪遊==
11/24 01:44, 19F

11/24 01:44, 6年前 , 20F
各國的俱樂部球隊 沒寫好 但NBA不是這樣吧
11/24 01:44, 20F

11/24 01:44, 6年前 , 21F
70場+外卡
11/24 01:44, 21F

11/24 01:45, 6年前 , 22F
一直覺得季後賽的球隊太多
11/24 01:45, 22F

11/24 01:45, 6年前 , 23F
73亞將成絕響
11/24 01:45, 23F

11/24 01:45, 6年前 , 24F
對呀 挑戰賽要有個限度 7 8 9 10 勝出之後呢 打1 2
11/24 01:45, 24F

11/24 01:46, 6年前 , 25F
73亞軍不會有第二次吧 通常這個勝率應該是冠軍
11/24 01:46, 25F

11/24 01:46, 6年前 , 26F
要學歐洲足球 那乾脆也搞升降制好不好
11/24 01:46, 26F

11/24 01:49, 6年前 , 27F
73勝 亞軍 史無前例
11/24 01:49, 27F

11/24 01:49, 6年前 , 28F
覺得季後賽東西區都四個名額就好 最多4、5名打一下
11/24 01:49, 28F

11/24 01:49, 6年前 , 29F
贏的進去 但這樣可能怕大家開坦(?
11/24 01:49, 29F
我也覺得後段班的挑戰賽有點沒意義,季後賽後段班都是陪打的居多,但如果說要砍季後 賽席次的話可能球團老闆們會有意見吧?季後賽的收入好像蠻多的 MLB季末狀態很好的話有可能一路逆襲上去,但是NBA的強弱隊差距通常都蠻明顯的,至少 我沒聽說過有後段班打上去奪冠的案例,有的話再請版友補充了 @@ ※ 編輯: lens82801 (61.224.147.174 臺灣), 11/24/2019 01:56:09

11/24 01:50, 6年前 , 30F
季後賽名額越少 越多隊伍想坦吧
11/24 01:50, 30F

11/24 01:51, 6年前 , 31F
季中打到一半發現沒機會就坦了
11/24 01:51, 31F

11/24 01:51, 6年前 , 32F
這樣改還是16支隊伍進季後賽啊 依然超過半數
11/24 01:51, 32F

11/24 01:51, 6年前 , 33F
改季後賽賽制給推 但在那邊學足球辦錦標賽就不推
11/24 01:51, 33F

11/24 01:51, 6年前 , 34F
若大家都坦 變相來說也不好當坦王啊 也是有風險的
11/24 01:51, 34F

11/24 01:52, 6年前 , 35F
78場加上現代負載管理 長期來看不會對數據太大影響
11/24 01:52, 35F

11/24 01:53, 6年前 , 36F
如果改成這賽制是讓9 10名的隊伍有機會進季後賽
11/24 01:53, 36F

11/24 01:54, 6年前 , 37F
比較不會吃虧 又有門票賺
11/24 01:54, 37F
還有 141 則推文
11/24 10:23, 6年前 , 179F
有實質的數據跟相關證明研究 比賽強度拉高的統計??
11/24 10:23, 179F

11/24 10:24, 6年前 , 180F
何謂比賽強度阿= = 有人貼個文或官方資料來看一下
11/24 10:24, 180F

11/24 10:25, 6年前 , 181F
玻璃就玻璃講nba你就扯足球,怎不拿拳擊出來比
11/24 10:25, 181F

11/24 10:25, 6年前 , 182F
把1980 1990 2000 2010 2019 這些年限的強度來
11/24 10:25, 182F

11/24 10:26, 6年前 , 183F
比是用什麼方法定義出強度的??? 能說明嗎
11/24 10:26, 183F

11/24 10:46, 6年前 , 184F
節奏變快回合變多 一群上百公斤的壯漢來回跑動
11/24 10:46, 184F

11/24 10:46, 6年前 , 185F
你以為的強度只有古代那種守不住就無恥犯掉的球風?
11/24 10:46, 185F

11/24 10:47, 6年前 , 186F
這樣勇士73勝幾乎破不了欸
11/24 10:47, 186F

11/24 10:48, 6年前 , 187F
算是減少擺爛概率的嘗試之一吧,而且整體來看也是稍
11/24 10:48, 187F

11/24 10:48, 6年前 , 188F
微減少了些比賽
11/24 10:48, 188F

11/24 10:49, 6年前 , 189F
73勝亞軍應該更不會出現了XD
11/24 10:49, 189F

11/24 10:53, 6年前 , 190F
首輪順便改回五戰三勝啦
11/24 10:53, 190F

11/24 10:54, 6年前 , 191F
無恥犯掉是裁判容忍下的產物跟空氣哨還有哈登哨一樣
11/24 10:54, 191F

11/24 11:04, 6年前 , 192F
背景就不一樣兩個世代的不知道在吵心酸的,以前的
11/24 11:04, 192F

11/24 11:04, 6年前 , 193F
規則就是給hand check給碰撞,速度還沒推起來就被
11/24 11:04, 193F

11/24 11:04, 6年前 , 194F
拉掉了pace也快不起來,現在保護進攻,速度是快起
11/24 11:04, 194F

11/24 11:04, 6年前 , 195F
來了,對抗碰撞少了但自爆比例大幅上升。現在這種
11/24 11:04, 195F

11/24 11:04, 6年前 , 196F
快來快去碰撞少的要說可能就對抗強度低,但對身體
11/24 11:04, 196F

11/24 11:04, 6年前 , 197F
負擔應該提高不少。如果是武天師傅的案例另外討論
11/24 11:04, 197F

11/24 11:04, 6年前 , 198F
,那不是常態。
11/24 11:04, 198F

11/24 11:11, 6年前 , 199F
鑽石恆久遠 73勇流傳
11/24 11:11, 199F

11/24 11:17, 6年前 , 200F
78就算了.9,10真的賽進季後也很難贏下去吧...
11/24 11:17, 200F

11/24 11:23, 6年前 , 201F
末四隊搶狀元比78910搶季後賽刺激多了,贏的拿狀元
11/24 11:23, 201F

11/24 11:23, 6年前 , 202F
11/24 11:23, 202F

11/24 12:01, 6年前 , 203F
狀元爭奪賽+1 這樣誰在例行賽故意要坦馬上被看破
11/24 12:01, 203F

11/24 12:03, 6年前 , 204F
73勝亞軍--->73敗爐主
11/24 12:03, 204F

11/24 12:09, 6年前 , 205F
先改裁判啦 改啥小賽制 裁判爛得要死
11/24 12:09, 205F

11/24 12:11, 6年前 , 206F
以後很難在弱區刷亞軍了
11/24 12:11, 206F

11/24 12:16, 6年前 , 207F
立意良善 大推 不然都在輪休是三小
11/24 12:16, 207F

11/24 12:19, 6年前 , 208F
好險LBJ生的比較早,如果是讓聯盟最好的兩支球隊打
11/24 12:19, 208F

11/24 12:19, 6年前 , 209F
總決賽,連續X年進總決賽的結論應該沒辦法達成
11/24 12:19, 209F

11/24 12:20, 6年前 , 210F
*紀錄
11/24 12:20, 210F

11/24 13:00, 6年前 , 211F
目前賽制OK啊 MLB才該改吧
11/24 13:00, 211F

11/24 13:07, 6年前 , 212F
少一點B2B比較重要吧
11/24 13:07, 212F

11/24 13:18, 6年前 , 213F
乾脆各聯盟45名打外卡賽比較刺激
11/24 13:18, 213F

11/24 19:12, 6年前 , 214F
那這樣呢,除了前三順位一樣抽籤,第四順位的樂透
11/24 19:12, 214F

11/24 19:12, 6年前 , 215F
簽從東西區78910被淘汰的四隊中來比,戰績最好第四
11/24 19:12, 215F

11/24 19:12, 6年前 , 216F
順位,依序排序
11/24 19:12, 216F

11/25 09:36, 6年前 , 217F
隊中球員不見得每個人都希望球隊拿到狀元籤吧
11/25 09:36, 217F

11/25 09:36, 6年前 , 218F
狀元進來結果壓縮到自己表現空間
11/25 09:36, 218F
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