[外絮] 偉大是湖人天賦二人組跟歐布唯一的交集

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Column: Greatness is only thing Lakers’ talented twosome shares with Shaq and Kobe 專欄:偉大是湖人天賦二人組跟歐布唯一的交集 In the wake of the Lakers’ NBA Finals domination, it has become trendy to link the tandem of LeBron James and Anthony Davis to their celebrated predecessors Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal. 在湖人的決賽統治下,把姆斯和AD這個雙人組和他們有名的前雙人組布萊恩和俠客做連結 變成了一種趨勢 Don’t. 不要 Don’t compare them, don’t align them, and certainly don’t romanticize their connection. 不要比較他們,不要並列他們,不要把他們的連結浪漫化 The one and obvious similarity between the twosomes is that they both combined to lead the Lakers to greatness. Yet in every other way they are polar opposites, conducting their relationships in styles as different as AD’ s sweet smile and Shaq’s sweaty scowl. 在兩個雙人組間唯一相似的地方是他們都把湖人帶向了偉大,但在其它們方面他們幾乎是 完全相反,這雙人組彼此間的關係就像是AD甜美的笑容和俠客流汗的皺眉一樣不同 LeBron and AD are a dynamic duo. Kobe and Shaq were a dynamic duel. 姆斯和AD是有活力的二重唱,Kobe和俠客則是有活力的鬥爭 LeBron and AD are tight. Kobe and Shaq were taut. 姆斯和AD很緊密, 但Kobe和俠客關係緊張 LeBron and AD genuinely like each other. Kobe and Shaq genuinely did not. 姆斯和AD真實的喜歡對方,Kobe和俠客真實的不喜歡 The comparisons between the two pairings came into colorful focus Friday night when, during the Lakers’ 124-114 victory over the Miami Heat in Game 2, LeBron and AD became the first Lakers pair to score at least 30 points apiece in an NBA Finals game since Kobe and Shaq did it in 2002. 當姆斯和AD成為歐布在2002之後第一個同時在總冠軍得到30分的雙人組,這兩個雙人組之 間的比較成了焦點 The synergy was striking. The history was undeniable. Even the players themselves were in awe of this glorious association. 這樣的協同作用是令人注目的,歷史是無法否認的,甚至連球員本身也對於這樣光榮的連 結感到敬畏 “I can’t even believe I’m up here talking about myself and AD with Kobe and Shaq,” James said in a rare moment of wonderment. 在少數驚奇的時刻,姆斯說:"我無法相信我在這裡一起談論我自己和AD跟俠客和Kobe" As one who covered that last Kobe-and-Shaq Finals barrage against the New Jersey Nets in 2002, I couldn’t believe it either. That long-ago game was nothing like the shared greatness of Friday night. 當有人提到上次在2002 Kobe和俠客的得分雨的時候,我也無法相信。這個很久以前的比 賽跟週五晚上分享的偉大完全不同。 In a three-point Game 3 victory in 2002, Bryant made two big shots in the final minutes and then walked off the court flexing his biceps in an imitation of O’Neal’s trademark move. He had outscored Shaq by exactly one point — 36-35 — and everybody knew exactly what he meant with the move. 在2002年湖人3分差的勝利中,布萊恩在最後時間連中兩個投籃,之後模仿俠客著名的動 作,彎曲他的二頭肌,走離球場。他剛好得分比俠客多了一分,36分對35分,而大家都知 道kobe做這個動作要表達的意思 “Subconsciously, yeah,” teammate Brian Shaw said at the time. “That’s the way it always is.” "潛意識的"Brian Shaw那時候說:"這總是這樣" Fast-forward to Friday night, when LeBron scored 33, AD added 32 and they both seemed sincerely happy for each other. A midgame argument ended in a postgame hug, with James whispering to Davis through a towel to hide his words. 來到禮拜五晚上,當姆斯拿到33分,AD拿到32分,他們兩個看起來都很真誠的為對方高興 。比賽中間的爭論變成了賽後的擁抱,姆斯在毛巾後偷偷的對AD講話不讓其他人看到他講 什麼。 “We are two guys who want to win no matter the circumstance. We both want to make sure that we do whatever it takes to help our team win,” Davis said. “ When you have two guys that are selfless ... it’s rare you see it. We know we have something special with us two and this team.” 戴維斯說:"我們兩個在任何情況下都想要贏,我們都想要確認為了幫助球隊獲勝,我們 可以做任何事。當你有兩個無私的人,這很罕見。我知道我們兩個和這個球隊之間有很特 別的事" It is, indeed, rare to find two superstars who wait for each other during postgame interviews to walk back to the locker room together amid nudges and quips. That’s how LeBron and AD roll, jokingly playing off each other in ways that they’ve said remind them of the characters in the movie “Step Brothers.” 的確,我們很少看到兩個超級球星,在賽後訪問的時候等著對方,然後一起走回休息室, 彼此間互相碰撞和嘲弄。這是姆斯和AD運作的方式,彼此玩弄,像電影Step brothers一 樣 Meanwhile, Kobe once called Shaq “fat and out of shape” while Shaq once wrote and performed a rap in which he explicitly told Kobe to kiss his butt. 另外一方面,Kobe曾經說俠客胖到爆,而俠客寫了並唱了一首rap來叫kobe去親他的屁屁 It is also rare to find two superstars who empower each other on the court like LeBron and AD, both of them equally enhancing and unselfish. Sometimes it seems like they’re playing a two-man game, sharing the ball, sharing the defensive coverage, heartwarmingly sharing the glory. 我們也很少見到兩個球星會像姆斯和AD一樣在場上互相加強。有時候他們看起來在打兩人 的比賽,彼此分享球,分享防守的範圍,分享榮耀 Meanwhile, Kobe and Shaq facilitated the Lakers’ loss to the Detroit Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals because they could barely stomach passing each other the ball. 另外一方面,Kobe和俠客加速了2004年湖人輸給活塞的速度,因為他們無法忍受把球給對 方 James and Davis have become so close, there is zero chance Davis leaves town this coming winter as a free agent, and a decent chance both men can stay motivated enough to equal Kobe and Shaq’s three championships together. 姆斯和AD是如此的親近,在接下來的自由市場,AD不可能會離開,他們很有可能想要追平 歐布的三冠 Meanwhile, Kobe and Shaq could have won six championships if they wouldn’t have essentially forced owner Jerry Buss to make a choice. Buss chose Kobe, and Shaq was sent to Miami. Only years later did they forge a civil relationship that culminated in O’Neal’s touching eulogy this year at Kobe’ s memorial service. 另外一方向,Kobe和俠客或許有辦法贏得六個冠軍,如果他們不逼老闆Jerry Buss做出選 擇的話。 The Lakers relationship between Kobe and Shaq was filled with many memorable triumphs but also so much angst that the feuding eventually overshadowed the fun. Kobe和俠客的關係充滿了許多值得回憶的記憶,但太多的不安導致最後爭執蓋過了樂趣 The Lakers relationship between LeBron and AD, while still new, has felt so much healthier even from the start. For example, when newly acquired AD attended James’ players-only camp last fall in Las Vegas, despite being a superstar in his own right, he kept his mouth shut. 姆斯和AD的關係,雖然還很新,感覺起來一開始卻健康多了。舉個例子,但新加入的AD參 加姆斯在Vegas的純球員訓練營,僅管他自己是個超級球星,他卻沒有說任何一句話。 “I just tried to follow his lead,” AD said of LeBron in a conversation with The Times’ Tania Ganguli. AD說:"我試著遵遁他的引導" At the same time, James immediately let it be known that he was willing to defer. 在同一時刻,姆斯馬上讓大家知道他願意順從 “If we’re not playing through Anthony Davis while he’s on the floor, then it makes no sense to have him on the floor,” James said. “Because he’s that great.” 姆斯說:"如果當AD在場上的時候不利用AD來發動,那沒有把AD擺在場上的理由,因為他 是如此的棒!" The dynamic was clear. With three rings, LeBron was secure enough to share. With no rings, AD was hungry enough to listen. 這運作很清楚。姆斯,有了三個戒指,可以安全地分享。AD, 沒有戒指,則是飢渴的想要 聽從。 The relationship between Kobe and Shaq never enjoyed that built-in advantage. Shaq was an insecure veteran who had never won a title. Kobe was a brash kid who thought he could win that title on his own. They were an emotional accident waiting to happen. Their friendship was ultimately doomed by, among other things, a dangerous trait that belonged to Shaq, a trait that is noticeably missing from the LeBron and AD equation. Kobe和俠客的關係從來沒有這樣內建的優勢。俠客是一個沒有安全感的老兵,從來沒有拿 到冠軍。Kobe,一個無禮的孩子認為他自己可以拿到冠軍。他們是一場即將發生的情感意 外,他們的友誼最後被俠客這個危險的特點給毀滅,但這個特點卻不存在姆斯和AD之間 “We’re not jealous of each other,” LeBron said in reference to a question about the flourishing of his relationship with AD. “I think that’s the best thing in professional sports — you have guys that join forces to become alpha males.” 談到他跟AD的關係,姆斯說:"我們彼此間不嫉妒,這是在職業運動中最棒的" He added: “I think jealousy creeps in a lot. And that is the absolute contrary of what we are.” 他繼續說:"通常嫉妒會偷偷的產生,但這絕對不會出現在我們之間" It shows in LeBron’s constant looks for the open AD, in AD continually following the energetic lead of LeBron, even to the point of AD always doing his postgame interviews after LeBron. 這可以體現在姆斯在場上總是找AD什麼時候有空檔,而AD總是遵循著姆斯,甚至他的賽後 訪問總是排在姆斯的後面。 As they sit two wins from their first NBA title together, the current Lakers duo might never match the wondrous and enduring era of Kobe and Shaq. But enjoy this new ride and feel free to celebrate the difference. 心得: https://tinyurl.com/y3jtrn7s Dwyane Wade agrees that Anthony Davis complements LeBron James better than he did 偉德同意戴維斯比他更能互補姆斯 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.43.78.79 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1601797531.A.4C4.html ※ 編輯: kyle5241 (114.43.78.79 臺灣), 10/04/2020 15:47:53

10/04 15:46, 5年前 , 1F
歐布是紫金血統,跟現在雜血軍團是不同的
10/04 15:46, 1F

10/04 15:47, 5年前 , 2F
一個三連霸 一個正要挑戰第一冠 真的太早
10/04 15:47, 2F

10/04 15:47, 5年前 , 3F
奪冠再來說像不像
10/04 15:47, 3F

10/04 15:47, 5年前 , 4F
??? 大歐的球衣可以組成彩虹了,紫金血統?
10/04 15:47, 4F

10/04 15:47, 5年前 , 5F
歐不純 賈不純
10/04 15:47, 5F

10/04 15:49, 5年前 , 6F
大歐一開始不是在魔術隊嗎@@ 哪裡純
10/04 15:49, 6F

10/04 15:50, 5年前 , 7F
歐的血統哪裡純了
10/04 15:50, 7F

10/04 15:50, 5年前 , 8F
大歐一開始是魔術的....
10/04 15:50, 8F

10/04 15:50, 5年前 , 9F
把KOBE放進來 是在羞辱其他人...
10/04 15:50, 9F

10/04 15:51, 5年前 , 10F
是我就翻臉
10/04 15:51, 10F

10/04 15:51, 5年前 , 11F
還沒奪冠說啥
10/04 15:51, 11F

10/04 15:51, 5年前 , 12F
湖人隊史的奪冠禁區長人不都人家養的嗎
10/04 15:51, 12F

10/04 15:51, 5年前 , 13F
?
10/04 15:51, 13F

10/04 15:53, 5年前 , 14F
二連霸再叫我 這組是夠資格跟OK比較了嗎?
10/04 15:53, 14F

10/04 15:53, 5年前 , 15F
一定三連霸 已經三連霸
10/04 15:53, 15F

10/04 15:57, 5年前 , 16F
小菜雞嗆人雜血 沒看過大歐穿魔術球衣?
10/04 15:57, 16F

10/04 15:58, 5年前 , 17F
真的是太早
10/04 15:58, 17F

10/04 16:01, 5年前 , 18F
俠客自己就超雜了...
10/04 16:01, 18F

10/04 16:02, 5年前 , 19F
10/04 16:02, 19F

10/04 16:02, 5年前 , 20F
互相碰撞 彼此玩弄
10/04 16:02, 20F

10/04 16:07, 5年前 , 21F
賈霸魔術強森
10/04 16:07, 21F

10/04 16:08, 5年前 , 22F
大歐在魔術就很猛了..誰在跟你紫金血統XD
10/04 16:08, 22F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 23F
大歐具備紫金血統這件事,還滿值得玩味的。首先他
10/04 16:09, 23F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 24F
不在湖人出道,生涯待過的球隊也高達6支,但他19年
10/04 16:09, 24F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 25F
生涯有8年在湖人,其他最長的也就是生涯初期在魔術
10/04 16:09, 25F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 26F
的4年,只有在湖人時期的一半長。而且他生涯最顛峰
10/04 16:09, 26F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 27F
的時間都在湖人度過,所有要說最能代表大歐的球隊,
10/04 16:09, 27F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 28F
應該可以說是湖人沒問題。
10/04 16:09, 28F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 29F
開始期待三連霸了XDDDD
10/04 16:09, 29F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 30F
老大和俠客如果合得來,老大要挑戰MJ的六冠真的可能
10/04 16:09, 30F

10/04 16:09, 5年前 , 31F
但是就沒有這種但是了,性格的問題
10/04 16:09, 31F

10/04 16:10, 5年前 , 32F
就像談到半神最具代表性的會是暴龍一樣,講到大歐大
10/04 16:10, 32F

10/04 16:10, 5年前 , 33F
部分也會說是湖人吧
10/04 16:10, 33F

10/04 16:11, 5年前 , 34F
太早啦 至少先連霸一次
10/04 16:11, 34F

10/04 16:11, 5年前 , 35F
上面那張圖太屌
10/04 16:11, 35F

10/04 16:13, 5年前 , 36F
不要說大歐往自己臉上貼紫金 湖人也想往大歐臉上貼
10/04 16:13, 36F

10/04 16:13, 5年前 , 37F
紫金吧 不然幹嘛幫他弄雕像
10/04 16:13, 37F

10/04 16:16, 5年前 , 38F
姆斯和AD 與其說是歐布
10/04 16:16, 38F

10/04 16:16, 5年前 , 39F
不如說是肌肉版penny + 纖細版歐瘦
10/04 16:16, 39F

10/04 16:18, 5年前 , 40F
就看你怎麼定義血統歸屬啊,大歐生涯有42%的時間在
10/04 16:18, 40F

10/04 16:18, 5年前 , 41F
湖人,巔峰時期大部分時間也都在湖人啊
10/04 16:18, 41F

10/04 16:20, 5年前 , 42F
歐布的球衣被湖人退休掛在球館上方,紫金血統認證
10/04 16:20, 42F

10/04 16:21, 5年前 , 43F
所以屌在照樣連霸 球員夠猛 化學效應都可隨便
10/04 16:21, 43F

10/04 16:24, 5年前 , 44F
紫金血統....笑 沒有歐肥湖人就直接少三冠
10/04 16:24, 44F

10/04 16:26, 5年前 , 45F
那賈霸歐肥都買來的是不是也沒有紫金血統
10/04 16:26, 45F

10/04 16:27, 5年前 , 46F
只要能奪冠就都有紫金血統啦 沒奪冠就是雜血
10/04 16:27, 46F

10/04 16:27, 5年前 , 47F
純血中鋒只有麥肯吧?
10/04 16:27, 47F

10/04 16:30, 5年前 , 48F
不合可以三連霸 想學的可以試看看啊XD
10/04 16:30, 48F

10/04 16:35, 5年前 , 49F
歐布三連霸欸 太早了吧...
10/04 16:35, 49F

10/04 16:38, 5年前 , 50F
說到麥肯也是有點慘,幫湖人拿到的一堆冠軍算在16冠
10/04 16:38, 50F

10/04 16:38, 5年前 , 51F
裡,但是退休球衣又變成「那時候湖人還不在洛杉磯」
10/04 16:38, 51F

10/04 16:40, 5年前 , 52F
LD組和OK組不相上下
10/04 16:40, 52F

10/04 16:40, 5年前 , 53F
所以沒退休他的99號
10/04 16:40, 53F

10/04 16:45, 5年前 , 54F
喇叭跟AD比較像Magic跟賈霸吧
10/04 16:45, 54F

10/04 16:47, 5年前 , 55F
太雲了吧 還在凹是在講退休球衣
10/04 16:47, 55F

10/04 17:00, 5年前 , 56F
歐肥真厲害
10/04 17:00, 56F

10/04 17:03, 5年前 , 57F
四連霸應該沒問題
10/04 17:03, 57F

10/04 17:11, 5年前 , 58F
當時歐肥團隊要大長約,湖人管理層最後留布棄歐
10/04 17:11, 58F

10/04 17:19, 5年前 , 59F
現在的雙人組叫LA連線才對吧LD聽起來很路人哈哈哈
10/04 17:19, 59F

10/04 17:30, 5年前 , 60F
真實喜歡對方 偉德快氣死了吧
10/04 17:30, 60F

10/04 17:52, 5年前 , 61F
湖人的歷史等級C 不都是砸大錢/花重本去賭大的嗎
10/04 17:52, 61F

10/04 17:56, 5年前 , 62F
雲粉絲 大歐哪裡純了?
10/04 17:56, 62F

10/04 17:59, 5年前 , 63F
湖人一堆不是自己養的好嗎
10/04 17:59, 63F

10/04 18:02, 5年前 , 64F
第一冠都還沒到手 大旱 但是可以期待未來性
10/04 18:02, 64F

10/04 18:06, 5年前 , 65F
叫JD二人組也是可以 (等等
10/04 18:06, 65F

10/04 18:18, 5年前 , 66F
終究不被愛的那個才是小三
10/04 18:18, 66F

10/04 18:19, 5年前 , 67F
LA連線 連暱稱都超正統
10/04 18:19, 67F

10/04 18:19, 5年前 , 68F
1F的邏輯...你現在回來看講大歐是湖人人沒有問題
10/04 18:19, 68F

10/04 18:19, 5年前 , 69F
可是當時奪冠當下,大歐就跟現在AD是一樣的啊
10/04 18:19, 69F

10/04 18:20, 5年前 , 70F
你可以說大歐紫金血,但沒有任何理由把現在的人說
10/04 18:20, 70F

10/04 18:21, 5年前 , 71F
成雜血.... 不過跟這樣的人談邏輯太過認真了QQ
10/04 18:21, 71F

10/04 18:29, 5年前 , 72F
三連霸的話 可相提並論 現在太早
10/04 18:29, 72F

10/04 18:55, 5年前 , 73F
歐布:還是要靠我(哼) 詹眉:有你真好(心)
10/04 18:55, 73F

10/04 19:24, 5年前 , 74F
甲味十足
10/04 19:24, 74F

10/04 19:30, 5年前 , 75F
同時得30分是限定湖人吧
10/04 19:30, 75F

10/04 20:05, 5年前 , 76F
一冠都可以吹自己綠血,三冠的哪裡不純了?
10/04 20:05, 76F

10/04 20:18, 5年前 , 77F
一樓就是故意那樣講來分化的 可別再上當
10/04 20:18, 77F

10/04 20:55, 5年前 , 78F
1樓??? 純?
10/04 20:55, 78F

10/04 20:59, 5年前 , 79F
最好kobe放進來羞辱其他人 在怎樣也遠大於Ad好嗎
10/04 20:59, 79F

10/05 02:49, 5年前 , 80F
歐尼爾沒有被氣跑不會有熱火第一年的積極 kobe沒有
10/05 02:49, 80F

10/05 02:49, 5年前 , 81F
經過trade me 沒有後來的領導力
10/05 02:49, 81F
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