[外絮] 快艇記者認為管理層就是想用Harden取代Russ

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https://theathletic.com/5071460/2023/11/17/clippers-westbrook-bench-lineup/ 作者:Law Murray ...(一些前情提要我就不翻了) But unlike last season, when Westbrook had to prepare for a possible bench role in the preseason with the Los Angeles Lakers while playing with a star who was open to moving on from him, the Clippers spent this preseason building an infrastructure that promoted Westbrook’s strengths. Coach Tyronn Lue embraced and empowered Westbrook consistently, and the team emphasized forcing turnovers, pushing the pace in transition and cutting appropriately off of Westbrook as a primary ball handler. 與上一季不同,Russell Westbrook在開季前就已經要準備在湖人當板凳出發的角色且與一 位想離開他的球星打球,快艇整個休賽季都在建立可以放大Westbrook優勢的結構。教練 Tyronn Lue一貫的支持與賦予Westbrook權力,且球隊都在強調強迫對手失誤、加快節奏與 Westbrook作為主要持球者適時的切入。 Westbrook established himself as a team leader, with George as his biggest advocate. And Leonard said repeatedly that having two point guards in Westbrook and backup Bones Hyland would help himself and George focus on scoring efficiently and leading a top-five defense. Moreover, Westbrook’s competitive nature led the team to have a training camp, preseason and start to the regular season that fostered a more determined approach compared to previous years. Westbrook確立了自己作為球隊領導者的地位並有著Paul George作為他的最大支持者。且 Leonard多次表示擁有Westbrook與替補後衛Bones Hyland能幫助他和George專注於高效的 得分與領導聯盟前5的防守。此外,Westbrook的競爭心讓球隊在訓練營、熱身賽與開季時 培養出了比以往更有決心的態度。 The Harden trade has been comprehensively disruptive. Harden did not have a training camp and did not play in preseason games after requesting a trade out of Philadelphia in June and clashing with the 76ers front office. His statistics have been acceptable through five games (15.0 points, 47.1 percent field goals, 4.4 rebounds, 4.2 assists, 2.2 turnovers, 1.2 steals, 2.0 3s, 37 percent 3s). But Harden’s impact has waned in fourth quarters, where the Clippers have struggled to finish close games both before and during his brief tenure. And Harden’s fit in any lineup has been poor, as the Clippers have been outscored by a team-worst 70 points since Harden’s debut on Nov. 6 against the New York Knicks. The next-worst plus-minus of any Clippers player in that span is in Zubac’s minutes, where the Clippers have been outscored by 36 points. Harden的交易全面性地帶來了混亂。Harden在六月要求離開費城後,沒有參加訓練營,也 沒有在熱身賽中上場,並與76人隊管理層發生衝突。他在五場比賽中的數據還算可以接受 (15.0分、47.1%投籃命中率、4.4籃板、4.2助攻、2.2失誤、1.2抄截、2.0三分球、 37%三分球命中率)。但是,Harden在第四節的影響力有所下降,即使快艇無論在他來之前 來之後一直無法將比分接近的比賽關門。而且Harden在任何陣容中的適應性都很差,自 Harden11月6日對紐約尼克斯的初登板以來,他是快艇隊+/-值最差的,為-70。在該段期間 內,快艇隊其他球員中+/-值最差的是Zubac,他在場上時快艇隊的得失分為-36。 The decision to bring Westbrook off of the bench is not one that the players or coaches would have wanted. Lue wanted to establish Westbrook as the primary ball handler when he shared the floor with Harden, with Harden being the shooting guard. But Harden’s discomfort shooting 3s off of the catch became a recurring theme, along with his passive approach to scoring that led Lue to say Harden was being “too polite” after a bad loss Sunday against the Memphis Grizzlies. Lue decided to have Harden be the primary ball handler in Tuesday’s loss in Denver, and Harden closed the game over Westbrook in a fourth quarter that saw the Clippers lose a 7-point lead and get outscored 19-9 in the final six minutes of the game. 將Westbrook放在替補的決定,並不是任何球員或教練所期望的。Tyronn Lue原本希望讓 Westbrook與Harden同時上場時當主要的控球者,而哈登則擔任得分後衛。但是Harden對於 在三分C&S的不適成為一個反覆出現的場景,再加上Harden被動的得分方式,這讓Lue在周 日對曼菲斯灰熊的慘敗後表示哈登表現“太有禮貌”。在周二對丹佛金塊的失利中,Lue決 定讓Harden擔任主要的控球者,而Harden在比賽的最後一節取代了Westbrook上場,而在最 後6分鐘的比賽中,快艇隊丟掉了原本7分的領先,並在該節被金塊以19-9的比分超前。 The move also comes after a practice where Mann appeared flustered by his ability to impact games more, and after Lue’s assistants had to start practice while Lue met with the media. The team also did not host shootaround availability before Friday’s game. Westbrook had an event Thursday in Los Angeles where a community basketball court was named after him, but Westbrook declined to accept any questions about the team. 這個轉變發生在一次練習後,Mann似乎對於自己在比賽中的影響力感到困惑,且在 Tyronn Lue接受媒體採訪期間,助教們不得不提前開始練習。在週五的比賽前,球隊也沒 有進行投籃練習。Westbrook在週四在洛杉磯參與了一場活動,一個社區籃球場以他的名字 命名,但Westbrook拒絕回答任何關於球隊的問題。 The reality of this move is that Harden was brought in to ultimately replace Westbrook in the case that a partnership between the two players on the floor did not work. While Lue advocated for Westbrook, the Clippers front office has always preferred a point guard who is a theoretical fit with Leonard and George in terms of size and shooting ability. Last year at the trade deadline, the front office identified Eric Gordon as that player and had to be convinced to sign Westbrook after the All-Star Weekend. This offseason, the Clippers attempted to acquire Malcolm Brogdon from the Boston Celtics, even while preparing to bring Westbrook back. The Clippers were interested in trading for Jrue Holiday before the Celtics acquired Holiday from the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for Brogdon. 這個決定的現實情況是,Harden最終是被引進來代替Westbrook的,如果兩位球員在場上的 合作不順利的話。Lue主張支持Westbrook,但快艇隊管理層一直偏好一位在身材和投籃能 力方面理論上適合Leonard和George的控球後衛。去年的交易截止日,管理層將Eric Gordon視為這個角色,並在全明星週末後才被說服簽下Westbrook。今年休賽期,快艇隊曾 試圖從波士頓塞爾提克隊獲得Malcolm Brogdon,即使準備續約Westbrook。在塞爾提克隊 從波特蘭拓荒者隊那裡以Brogdon換來Jrue Holiday之前,快艇隊對交易獲得Jrue Holiday 也感興趣。 Harden fits the front office’s ideals, and they kept players like Mann and Norman Powell out of the trade with Philadelphia, sacrificing the team’s veteran power forwards instead. The Clippers still need to balance the roster out and are expected to continue evaluating the team going forward. That evaluation now includes Harden as the undisputed primary playmaker, Mann as a starter and Westbrook as an increasingly expendable asset who will have to adjust to a new role — which will also cost Hyland a spot in the second unit as well. If the losses continue, there will be more pressure on the front office to consider whether they can keep the four Los Angeles stars together. But the player who has the most to lose is Westbrook, who is already on a much lighter deal than Harden and extension-eligible stars George and Leonard. Harden符合管理層的理念,他們在與費城的交易中沒有將Mann和Norman Powell等球員交易 出去,而是犧牲了球隊的老將大前鋒。快艇隊仍然需要平衡陣容,預計將繼續評估球隊的 情況。這種評估現在包括Harden作為無可爭議的主要控球者,Mann作為先發球員以及 Westbrook作為一個逐漸可以犧牲的資產,且他將不得不適應一個新角色,這也將使Hyland 失去第二陣容的位置。如果失敗持續下去,管理層將面臨更多壓力並需要考慮是否能夠讓 快艇的四位球星繼續合作。但最有可能被放棄的球員是Westbrook,他的薪資比Harden以及 合約有延長資格的球星George和Leonard要低得多。 Westbrook, who signed a two-year deal this offseason that includes a player option, is eligible to be traded Jan. 15. Westbrook這個休賽季才與快艇簽下一紙包含球員選項的2年合約並在1/15後便能被交易。 心得: 無言。 管理層跟Ty Lue理念又發生衝突了 我怎麼會說又呢 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 98.217.185.18 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1700251653.A.0BA.html

11/18 04:23, 2年前 , 1F
在三分C&S的不適成為一個反覆出現的場警->場景
11/18 04:23, 1F

11/18 04:24, 2年前 , 2F
鬍子別鬧了
11/18 04:24, 2F

11/18 04:24, 2年前 , 3F
外行又想管內行
11/18 04:24, 3F
※ 編輯: EZ78 (98.217.185.18 美國), 11/18/2023 04:36:07

11/18 04:34, 2年前 , 4F
會跟去年小犢一樣,直接輸到連附加賽都沒有
11/18 04:34, 4F

11/18 04:45, 2年前 , 5F
龜一個底薪哪有什麼放不放掉的問題 他甚至當個薪
11/18 04:45, 5F

11/18 04:45, 2年前 , 6F
資包都不夠
11/18 04:45, 6F

11/18 04:48, 2年前 , 7F
把鬍子賣掉吧,應該值一個首輪吧
11/18 04:48, 7F

11/18 04:49, 2年前 , 8F
管理層有這種想法合理啊,兩個薪水差這麼多
11/18 04:49, 8F

11/18 04:49, 2年前 , 9F
怎麼可能讓低薪去取代高薪,就不是像西門那樣
11/18 04:49, 9F

11/18 04:55, 2年前 , 10F
龜龜真的可憐,佛心續約結果又可能變棄子,唉
11/18 04:55, 10F

11/18 04:55, 2年前 , 11F

11/18 04:58, 2年前 , 12F
湖人不要的當然不能太重視
11/18 04:58, 12F

11/18 05:12, 2年前 , 13F
龜龜替補
11/18 05:12, 13F

11/18 05:18, 2年前 , 14F
我覺得最該去替補反而是PG
11/18 05:18, 14F

11/18 05:18, 2年前 , 15F
根本沒在注意對友又很獨
11/18 05:18, 15F

11/18 05:19, 2年前 , 16F
鬍子去替補幹分吧
11/18 05:19, 16F

11/18 05:25, 2年前 , 17F
這管理層真的來搞事的
11/18 05:25, 17F

11/18 05:26, 2年前 , 18F
鬍正龜副照樣輸
11/18 05:26, 18F

11/18 05:28, 2年前 , 19F
說PG很獨?看到快笑出來
11/18 05:28, 19F

11/18 05:30, 2年前 , 20F
PG的角色就是進攻終結者啊…
11/18 05:30, 20F

11/18 05:34, 2年前 , 21F
氣氛?氣話?
11/18 05:34, 21F

11/18 05:53, 2年前 , 22F
龜龜已經犧牲太多了吧 換鬍子真的沒有比較好
11/18 05:53, 22F

11/18 06:00, 2年前 , 23F
好喔 越亂越好
11/18 06:00, 23F

11/18 06:11, 2年前 , 24F
有在看快艇比賽的,都不會講出PG很讀這種話
11/18 06:11, 24F

11/18 06:13, 2年前 , 25F
他老兄就是為了轉控球前鋒,這幾年才一堆鳥失誤。
11/18 06:13, 25F

11/18 06:13, 2年前 , 26F
現在有控衛,他專職得分還得被雲球迷說很獨= =
11/18 06:13, 26F

11/18 06:15, 2年前 , 27F
還要幫龜說話喔,繼續乖乖背鍋
11/18 06:15, 27F

11/18 06:22, 2年前 , 28F
龜殺隊得一分
11/18 06:22, 28F

11/18 06:23, 2年前 , 29F
龜龜不就很搭快艇了 太不重視他了吧..
11/18 06:23, 29F

11/18 06:24, 2年前 , 30F
我是不太覺得Harden除了三分以外有哪點符合管理者
11/18 06:24, 30F

11/18 06:24, 2年前 , 31F
的理念啦
11/18 06:24, 31F

11/18 06:25, 2年前 , 32F
*管理層
11/18 06:25, 32F

11/18 06:26, 2年前 , 33F
而且..的登跟龜之前就一隊過 兩個就不搭了..又玩一
11/18 06:26, 33F

11/18 06:27, 2年前 , 34F
受傷的總是我龜,大推我龜!
11/18 06:27, 34F

11/18 06:29, 2年前 , 35F
次 不知道在想什麼
11/18 06:29, 35F

11/18 06:30, 2年前 , 36F
管理層看看薪水…好喔
11/18 06:30, 36F

11/18 06:31, 2年前 , 37F
你來之後我們就亂成一鍋粥了
11/18 06:31, 37F

11/18 06:41, 2年前 , 38F
一群腦癱
11/18 06:41, 38F
還有 183 則推文
11/18 10:08, 2年前 , 222F
老闆要的登登 請大家配合他體系了
11/18 10:08, 222F

11/18 10:08, 2年前 , 223F
底薪咖就要有底薪咖的樣子,自己認份一點
11/18 10:08, 223F

11/18 10:11, 2年前 , 224F
冰桌啦
11/18 10:11, 224F

11/18 10:16, 2年前 , 225F
看完這文龜龜自請去打替補是在幫助盧總解決跟管理層
11/18 10:16, 225F

11/18 10:16, 2年前 , 226F
之間的矛盾,他對盧總是真愛阿!
11/18 10:16, 226F

11/18 10:17, 2年前 , 227F
完了 又是這種新聞 龜龜又要承受壓力
11/18 10:17, 227F

11/18 10:24, 2年前 , 228F
哈登符合管理者理念?這記者在說笑嗎
11/18 10:24, 228F

11/18 10:27, 2年前 , 229F
放棄底薪也不能換什麼啊
11/18 10:27, 229F

11/18 10:31, 2年前 , 230F
你就知道雙院長遮羞布有多好用 完全忽略這管理層其
11/18 10:31, 230F

11/18 10:31, 2年前 , 231F
實也爛到流湯的事實
11/18 10:31, 231F

11/18 10:32, 2年前 , 232F
龜真的是很倒霉 遇到這樣的管理層
11/18 10:32, 232F

11/18 10:33, 2年前 , 233F
所以到底Frontdesk是不爽龜還是Lue?
11/18 10:33, 233F

11/18 10:44, 2年前 , 234F
自帶有問題的體系
11/18 10:44, 234F

11/18 10:46, 2年前 , 235F
照前四段看球員教練都挺龜,管理層活在自己的世界嗎
11/18 10:46, 235F

11/18 10:56, 2年前 , 236F
這管理層該準備下臺了吧
11/18 10:56, 236F

11/18 10:57, 2年前 , 237F
幹嘛一直遷就登登= =
11/18 10:57, 237F

11/18 10:58, 2年前 , 238F
光專業態度龜龜就贏好幾條街了
11/18 10:58, 238F

11/18 11:00, 2年前 , 239F
是 Lue 太有禮貌嗎
11/18 11:00, 239F

11/18 11:02, 2年前 , 240F
鬍來之前明明就打很順 不要欺負龜龜==
11/18 11:02, 240F

11/18 11:07, 2年前 , 241F
可憐的龜龜 底薪續約還要擔心被取代
11/18 11:07, 241F

11/18 11:30, 2年前 , 242F
不意外 跟董事會一樣
11/18 11:30, 242F

11/18 11:36, 2年前 , 243F
管理層真的找死
11/18 11:36, 243F

11/18 11:36, 2年前 , 244F
哈登是不是有管理層把柄
11/18 11:36, 244F

11/18 12:05, 2年前 , 245F
這篇+板友分析聽起來很像是換教練比較實際點XD老闆
11/18 12:05, 245F

11/18 12:05, 2年前 , 246F
跟教練不在同條線上
11/18 12:05, 246F

11/18 12:13, 2年前 , 247F
跑喬跟龜一起去帶替補比較實際
11/18 12:13, 247F

11/18 12:17, 2年前 , 248F
看就知道是慣老闆腦殘啊
11/18 12:17, 248F

11/18 12:39, 2年前 , 249F
智障制服組.....
11/18 12:39, 249F

11/18 13:04, 2年前 , 250F
究竟
11/18 13:04, 250F

11/18 14:26, 2年前 , 251F
老闆是對的
11/18 14:26, 251F

11/18 14:58, 2年前 , 252F
不是吧 感覺就是想湊球星 不是要取代 只是合不起來
11/18 14:58, 252F

11/18 14:58, 2年前 , 253F
只好一個去板凳
11/18 14:58, 253F

11/18 18:49, 2年前 , 254F
洛杉磯鬍人隊~
11/18 18:49, 254F

11/18 19:18, 2年前 , 255F
底薪悲歌 可割可棄
11/18 19:18, 255F

11/18 20:10, 2年前 , 256F
感覺快艇已經沒救了
11/18 20:10, 256F

11/18 22:23, 2年前 , 257F
還是要練龜鬍啦 在火箭搭很好 而且另外那兩個什麼
11/18 22:23, 257F

11/18 22:23, 2年前 , 258F
時候又躺了誰知道
11/18 22:23, 258F

11/19 00:50, 2年前 , 259F
老闆當年把微軟搞得一塌糊塗 講真的這輩子最厲害的
11/19 00:50, 259F

11/19 00:50, 2年前 , 260F
事就是跟蓋茲當室友
11/19 00:50, 260F

11/19 09:49, 2年前 , 261F
管理層拉不下臉來畢竟人是他們交易來的
11/19 09:49, 261F
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