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[外絮] 金塊總裁透露為什麼會圍繞著阿肥建隊

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Josh Kroenke Reveals Why Nuggets Chose To Build Around Nikola Jokic 金塊總裁Josh Kroenke透露為什麼會選擇圍繞著阿肥建隊 Nuggets President Josh Kroenke broke down how the franchise committed to buildin g around Nikola Jokic in his second season. The Denver Nuggets made an ambitious call in 2015 when they decided to build the ir roster around their second-round pick from the year before, Nikola Jokic. Tea m President Josh Kroenke explained why they decided to build around Jokic instea d of Jusuf Nurkic at the time. 金塊在2015年做了一個大膽的決定，就是要圍繞著他們的第二輪選秀阿肥建隊。球隊總裁Jo sh Kroenke解釋為什麼選擇了阿肥而不是Nurkic "The thing that was unfortunate was the league was trending to small-ball, shoot ing everywhere. It was even more extreme than it is now, everyone was trying to be the Warriors overnight. You couldn't play Nikola and Jusuf together. We had t wo 7-footers who were incredibly skilled and unselfish guys, but trying to play them together, it presented its advantages, but it was tough for them to cover w hen you've got four guards out there moving in sync, it's a tough defensive cove r." 不幸的是當時聯盟流行是打小球、要能在每個地方投射。當時比現在更極端，一夜之間，大 家都想變成勇士。你不能讓阿肥跟Nurkic同時在場上。我們有兩個技巧很好又無私的7呎長 人。讓他們同時在場上有它的優勢，但當有四名後衛同時在場上移動時，協防對他們來說太 難了。 Kroenke then revealed a statistical analysis showed Jokic was outperforming soph omore-season Larry Bird, which ultimately tipped the scales in Jokic's favor. Kroenke隨後透露一份數據分析顯示阿肥的數據比大鳥第二年的數據還好，也因此最終傾向 選擇阿肥 "After Nikola's first season, he made First Team All-Rookie. We were halfway thr ough his second year and we realized we had to choose. They're both starting-lev el centers. Jusuf's contract was coming up in a year, so we had our analytics gr oup run a bunch of numbers of how to compare the two and what to look for... Thi s comparison comes through with Player A and Player B in their second season wit h the only difference being that Player A was two years older at the time of his second season. You could see Player B's numbers were better in every category. I guessed that Player B was Nikola... Player A was Larry Bird." 阿肥第一季後入選了新秀第一隊。第二年中間時，我們發現必須要做出選擇。他們兩個都是 具有先發水準的中鋒。Nurkic的合約一年後到期，所以我們讓我們分析團隊跑數據比較兩個 人跟看下能發現什麼。最後比較是球員A跟球員B在第二年的成績，唯一的差異是球員A在第 二年的年紀比球員B大兩歲。你能看到球員B在每一類的數據都比A好。我猜B是阿肥，A是大 鳥。（這是MPJ podcast的片段，總裁在裡面講的比較清楚，他說他猜B是阿肥，然後分析人 員說他對了，然後他問A是誰，是Nurkic或聯盟中其他人嗎？結果是大鳥） The decision to build around Jokic over Nurkic was controversial at the time, bu t everyone can say that it was the right decision without a doubt. While Nurkic has had a solid NBA career, he never progressed to an All-Star level while Jokic is looking to seal his third MVP in four seasons and hopefully, a back-to-back NBA title. 選阿肥而不是Nurkic的決定在當時是引起爭議的，但大家現在能說那無庸置疑，是個正確的 決定。Nurkic有穩定的NBA生涯，但從未達到全明星程度，而阿肥正要拿下四年中的第三座M VP，且希望能連續兩年奪冠 The statistical comparison that showed Jokic was better than Bird might have bee n more precise, but Kroenke does mention the involvement of PER 36 stats. Sophom ore Larry Bird averaged 19.4 points, 9.9 rebounds, and 5.0 assists per 36 minute s played, while Jokic averaged 21.6 points, 12.7 rebounds, and 6.3 assists as a sophomore. 顯示阿肥比大鳥好的數據分析比較可能會更詳細，但Kroenke有提到PER36。第二年的大鳥PE R 36是19.4分、9.9籃板、5.0助攻，而阿肥是21.6分、12.7籃板、6.3助攻。 Nikola Jokic Looking To Beat The Lakers Once Again 阿肥希望再次打敗湖人 The Nuggets title-defense tour will have to go through Los Angeles, as the Nugge ts face the Lakers in the first round of the playoffs. The Nuggets swept the Lak ers in their 2023 playoff matchup and swept them in the 23-24 regular season. No netheless, Jokic isn't underestimating his opposition given how tough their game s have been. 金塊的衛冕之旅要先過湖人這關，他們將在第一輪就對上湖人。金塊在2023年季後賽橫掃湖 人，且在23-24例行賽也橫掃湖人。僅管如此，阿肥沒低估他的對手，因跟湖人每場都是硬 仗。 "I think every game in the playoff series was really tough, it could have gone e ither way. It was probably the toughest series we had. Yes, we beat them 4-0, bu t they're a really talented team. Well-built, they have a couple of guys. I have huge respect for them and I think it'll be an interesting series/round." 我想季後賽每場都很困難，輸贏都有可能。去年跟湖人可能是我們最難打的系列賽。是的， 我們4-0打敗他們，但他們是很有天份的球隊，陣容堅強，對其中幾人有很大的敬意。我想 會是很有趣的系列賽 Jokic averaged 27.8 points, 14.5 rebounds, and 11.8 assists against the Lakers o v er the 2023 series. He's averaging 29.3 points, 12.0 rebounds, and 9.0 assists i n three games this season, which should worry the Lakers if they hope to get ove r the hump and pull off a massive upset in the first round. 阿肥在2023年對湖人場均27.8分、14.5籃板跟11.8助攻。今年例行賽三場則是29.3分、12.0 籃板跟9.0助攻。如果湖人想克服困難，在首輪爆冷，阿肥的確是他們該擔心的 https://reurl.cc/WxLQy9 金塊選阿肥可以算是隊史最好的選擇吧 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 101.136.6.71 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1713437411.A.713.html
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04/18 18:51, 1周前 , 1F
簡單4：0
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04/18 18:52, 1周前 , 2F
對有敬意的對手就是使出全力
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04/18 18:53, 1周前 , 3F
想看金塊12連勝湖人！
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04/18 18:54, 1周前 , 4F
LBJ又要被按在地上磨擦了
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04/18 18:55, 1周前 , 5F
去年不是說灰狼最硬？
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04/18 18:55, 1周前 , 6F
場均7.8分?
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04/18 18:55, 1周前 , 7F
阿肥前兩年是有聽過拿Brad Daugherty來比
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04/18 18:55, 1周前 , 8F
阿肥：用盡全力只是想趕快回去騎馬
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04/18 18:55, 1周前 , 9F
瓜哥表示
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04/18 18:55, 1周前 , 10F
所以是跑數據 不是看一些精神心態面的東西
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04/18 18:56, 1周前 , 11F
看了一下原文 你少了個2啊老哥
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04/18 18:56, 1周前 , 12F
2輪41順位當建隊核心 看得真遠
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04/18 18:56, 1周前 , 13F
連續MVP的聯盟第一好手差距很明顯，阿肥也回應期待
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04/18 18:57, 1周前 , 14F
27.8
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04/18 18:58, 1周前 , 15F
準備4:0不要不信
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04/18 18:59, 1周前 , 16F
應該順便問問灰狼GM 當年他才是GM頭頭 現在金塊跟
04/18 18:59, 16F
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04/18 18:59, 1周前 , 17F
公牛GM當時都在他底下
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04/18 19:01, 1周前 , 18F
金塊在役情時對過湖人，小丑之後再也沒輸過
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04/18 19:02, 1周前 , 19F
金塊陣容真的蠻克湖人的 湖人雙星在內線 金塊都能
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04/18 19:03, 1周前 , 20F
壓制甚至還有優勢
04/18 19:03, 20F
※ 編輯: Skyblueway (101.136.6.71 臺灣), 04/18/2024 19:03:09
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04/18 19:04, 1周前 , 21F
抱歉 不知道為什麼copy原文少了2
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04/18 19:04, 1周前 , 22F
一定還會有人說泡泡那個系列賽啦 湖人最強的一年也
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04/18 19:04, 1周前 , 23F
只贏得了阿肥1.0
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04/18 19:05, 1周前 , 24F
隊內練習，兩人不同隊的話，差異也應看的出來
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04/18 19:05, 1周前 , 25F
有眼光超欣賞阿肥，手下留情阿
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04/18 19:07, 1周前 , 26F
講的好像金塊會贏湖人似的,看不起球商隊？
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04/18 19:07, 1周前 , 27F
金塊選阿肥可能是史上最好的決策
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04/18 19:08, 1周前 , 28F
打敗湖人(X 打敗裁判(O
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04/18 19:08, 1周前 , 29F
金塊真的是沒在低估對手 灰狼也說難打 湖人也說難打
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04/18 19:08, 1周前 , 30F
其他方面不說，光是出勤率小丑就比Nurk高太多了
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04/18 19:08, 1周前 , 31F
穩4:0，金塊：會贏哦
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04/18 19:09, 1周前 , 32F
阿肥應該是金塊隊史最強了
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※ 編輯: Skyblueway (203.217.122.40 臺灣), 04/18/2024 19:09:21
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04/18 19:11, 1周前 , 33F
要對抗對面8個人 真是太困難了
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04/18 19:11, 1周前 , 34F
自信點 把 可能 拿掉
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04/18 19:11, 1周前 , 35F
兒子湖人又要被橫掃了
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04/18 19:12, 1周前 , 36F
今年金塊的不安要素只有板凳跟Murray的健康
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04/18 19:12, 1周前 , 37F
伯樂無誤 沒有慧眼識阿肥的話 可能要多熬幾年
04/18 19:12, 37F
還有 60 則推文
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04/18 20:18, 1周前 , 98F
好奇為甚麼會選大鳥去比？
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04/18 20:26, 1周前 , 99F
心態就認真上班的NBA社畜 沒有很難理解吧
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04/18 20:29, 1周前 , 100F
之前有看過類似文章,金塊選肥肥建隊當時確實是逆風
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04/18 20:35, 1周前 , 101F
歷史性的分歧點 當初看到Nurkic被放棄我很驚訝
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04/18 20:36, 1周前 , 102F
後來知道阿肥這麼厲害才知道原來是要2選1
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04/18 20:36, 1周前 , 103F
Nurkic 阿肥選一個確實有吵過
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04/18 20:41, 1周前 , 104F
奴機其實當時也受傷才被阿肥篡位
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04/18 20:44, 1周前 , 105F
其實覺得狗蛋轉型成重型防守者才讓金塊應對各方毫無
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04/18 20:44, 1周前 , 106F
破綻吧，KCP還是主追防輕型後衛...
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04/18 20:50, 1周前 , 107F
丹佛勇士隊上陣啦
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04/18 21:02, 1周前 , 108F
總之就是賭對了 賭錯的話就會一直坦下去
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04/18 21:02, 1周前 , 109F
二輪選秀長成這樣真的意想不到
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04/18 21:08, 1周前 , 110F
太痛了 根本當不了核心
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04/18 21:10, 1周前 , 111F
是怎麼數據分析的啊，應該不是單純比較傳統或進階數
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04/18 21:10, 1周前 , 112F
據吧
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04/18 21:11, 1周前 , 113F
我記得當年不只是2選1 是不但選了阿肥還要每球都要
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04/18 21:11, 1周前 , 114F
盡量先傳給他 過他手 讓他組織= = 當時根本異類
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04/18 21:21, 1周前 , 115F
教練馬龍真的很棒
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04/18 21:24, 1周前 , 116F
酸民有夠無聊，通篇沒瓜硬要提melo 出來酸，人品可
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04/18 21:24, 1周前 , 117F
見一般。
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04/18 21:33, 1周前 , 118F
因為數據拉一拉就跑出大鳥 所以跟大鳥比阿
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04/18 21:49, 1周前 , 119F
超猛
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04/18 21:52, 1周前 , 120F
裁判吹久也進化 不要不信邪 ALLIN湖人了
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04/18 22:08, 1周前 , 121F
雞塊要吹也只能趁現在 等被完全體湖人虐爆
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04/18 22:28, 1周前 , 122F
肥肥王者
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04/18 23:18, 1周前 , 123F
小丑光是隊史首冠就價值連城了吧
04/18 23:18, 123F
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04/18 23:25, 1周前 , 124F
阿肥現在成就就是金塊史上最強無誤 恐怕也是史上最
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04/18 23:25, 1周前 , 125F
強歐洲球員
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04/18 23:32, 1周前 , 126F
史上最全能的中鋒阿肥！可以拼歷史前十超巨啦！
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04/19 00:07, 1周前 , 127F
誰跟湖人打不是硬仗5打8誰看都是硬仗
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04/19 00:07, 1周前 , 128F
如果MVP拿第三座 那整個歷史就沒幾個人有了阿
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04/19 00:19, 1周前 , 129F
阿肥那麼強但討論度真的蠻低的
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04/19 00:44, 1周前 , 130F
說看阿肥胖胖可愛的是不是不知道他瘦過而且還蠻帥
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04/19 05:57, 1周前 , 131F
我也要寄生
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04/19 06:33, 1周前 , 132F
阿肥本來應該MVP 4連霸的............
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04/19 07:16, 1周前 , 133F
沒什麼好選的16-17怎麼看都是阿肥比較強了
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04/19 09:19, 1周前 , 134F
提數據的那個數據分析師之後應該會很搶手,想要低價
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04/19 09:20, 1周前 , 135F
挖寶的球隊應該會趨之若鶩
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04/19 09:21, 1周前 , 136F
不過現在有AI分析可能會更準?
04/19 09:21, 136F
噓
04/19 12:14, 1周前 , 137F
湖人到底是什麼難關==
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