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[情報] 勇士本來計畫同時拿到PG跟Markkanen

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Inside Mike Dunleavy Jr.’s second season and the Warriors’ chase for the next big fish https://reurl.cc/VMbzan 勇士記者Anthony Slater出了一篇文分系勇士總管 Mike Dunleavy Jr這個暑假的操盤 裡面有一段有講勇士這個暑假交易的變動脈絡 When Dunleavy laid out the blueprint to Curry and Green, Utah Jazz forward Lauri Markkanen wasn’t Plan B. He was a subsection of Plan A. The Warriors wanted both wings — believing George’s opt-out threat would allow them to protect the required assets to entice Utah Jazz CEO Danny Ainge, and Markkanen ’s reasonable $18 million returning salary could make the financials work. “The conversation was always about that possibility,” Green said. “You get both of those guys, you make a huge splash. But the Clippers weren’t really willing to play ball. Then Danny Ainge was being Danny Ainge.” 當Dunleavy對Curry和Green展現他的建隊藍圖時，Lauri Markkanen並不是所謂的計畫B， 而是計畫A的一部分。勇士本來想要同時得到兩名前鋒，他們認為George可能跳出合約的 風險可以讓他們保留需要的資產來與Danny Ainge談交易，並且Lauri Markkanen年薪僅 1800萬的合約也能讓交易運作。 (就是最後會是PG+Markkanen都拿到手) 「對話總是圍繞這種可能性進行」，Green說。「如果得到這兩人，就能造成巨大的影響 ，但快艇並沒有意願合作，而Ainge則是一如往常的很Ainge。」 If George had been in tow, perhaps the Warriors would’ve unloaded everything left in the cupboard for Markkanen — all the first-rounders, second-rounders, swaps and young players the Jazz requested. Contention would ’ve been a reasonable expectation. But without George, it’s clear the Warriors didn’t like the price considering the return on investment. That’s what Dunleavy relayed to Kerr in that pre-free-agency meeting at Casa Del Mar. 如果勇士拿到George，或許勇士會All in他們的首輪、次輪和爵士隊要求的年輕球員，畢 竟在這種情況下拚冠是合理的做法。但沒有George的情況下，勇士隊並不喜歡這筆交易的 投資報酬率，這也是Dunleavy在自由市場會面時告訴Kerr的。 “Mike is very sensible,” Kerr said. “He just said to me, ‘It doesn’t make sense to sell your entire future for a team that you think can be pretty good, but isn’t awesome, right?’ Especially at this stage with the ages of our stars.” 「Mike非常理智」，Kerr說。「他告訴我，為了一個還不錯，但不夠好的球隊賣掉你球隊 的整個未來並不合理，尤其是在你的核心球員年紀已經偏大的情況下。」 Dunleavy put it this way at his pre-camp news conference: “There’s no point in going all in to be slightly above average.” Dunleavy也在訓練營前的新聞發布會上表達了相同的觀點 「為了稍微變好而梭哈，這完全沒有意義。」 Three weeks later, in the same room that Dunleavy delivered that quote, controlling owner Lacob is reminded of the framing. 過了三週後，勇士隊老闆Lacob也提到他有聽到這樣的說法。 “I saw where he said that,” Lacob said. 「我看到了他說的那些話」，Lacob說。 Lacob is perpetually outward about his ambition and optimism, so it isn’t the easiest thing to concede that, even with a large summer swing, this Warriors team still wouldn’t have been good enough. “Well, here’s the issue,” Lacob said. “You’ve heard me say and you’ve heard him say: Making trades is really hard in this league. And often you have to overpay. We know that. But when you say all in, I mean in one of the situations that was a trade that you’re alluding to, ALL IN should have been in capital letters.” All the firsts, seconds, swaps, Brandin Podziemski, Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody. Lacob一向以樂觀的態度表達他對球隊的雄心壯志，因此要承認經過一個夏天的變動後勇 士並不夠好對他來說並不容易。 「問題在這裡」，Lacob說。「你有聽過我說過，也聽過其他人說過，達成交易在這個聯 盟並不容易，並且你常常會被迫付出過高的代價。但當你說要梭哈時，在你提到的其中一 個交易裡，‘梭哈’這個詞應該用大寫來表達。」 “So that term is important,” Lacob said. “It’s not just a term. That was something we tried hard to do. If you’re going to get the guy you want, you can do that. We’ve done it before. We did it with (Kevin Durant). We had to gut half the roster if you recall. So if it’s the right move, we’re willing to go quote ‘capital A capital L capital L’ all in. But you can only do that once, so you’d better be right.” 「因為這個詞非常重要，這不僅僅是一個詞，而是代表我們需要全力以赴去爭取的。如果 你想要得到某個你想要的球員，你可以這樣做（梭哈）。我們之前為了KD做過，我們拆了 一半的球員。所以如果那是對的決定，我們願意全力拚一次，但你只能拚一次，所以你最 好做對。」 中間有一段講Dunleavy的領導特質，Kerr說他能處理艱難的決定之類的 但有一段是Curry對沒有梭哈這件事情也蠻坦然的 Perhaps the most difficult — or at least most delicate — conversations of Dunleavy’s summer came with Curry. The Warriors indirectly walked Thompson out the door, weren’t able to get Curry the second established scorer he craved and pivoted into a patient approach months before Curry’s 37th birthday, all while convincing him to add an extra year onto his contract. 對Dunleavy來說，這個夏天最困難的就是與Curry的對話。Thompson的離開，無法為Curry 找到他希望的第二得分點，並在Curry的37歲生日前達成了他的續約，並且希望Curry能夠 有耐心。 “He’s just honest,” Curry said of Dunleavy. “The same way Bob was. I always say I just want to see effort and an aggressive nature.” 「他很誠實」，Curry談到Dunleavy時說。「這也是過去Bob的作風，我總是說我只是想看 到努力和積極的態度。」 Dunleavy plotted the George recruitment with Curry. He kept him up to date on any material Markkanen development. They discussed other names that both agreed didn’t move the needle. Curry and Green have always been De’Anthony Melton fans. Melton said the Warriors’ front office was in his agent’s office within 20 minutes of free agency starting. Dunleavy與Curry一起策劃了招募George的計劃，並隨時向他更新Markkanen交易的進展。 他們討論了其他幾個名字，但雙方都同意這些名字無法改變現狀。Curry和Green一直以來 都是De’Anthony Melton的粉絲。Melton說，當自由市場開始20分鐘後，勇士就聯繫了他 的經紀人。 Don’t mistake Curry’s understanding with a lack of urgency. He’s still in a sturdy alliance with the organization because he trusts Dunleavy similar to how he trusted Myers and he’s been led to believe that they will strike — using future picks and other necessary sacrifices — to maximize the next couple of seasons if the right trade materializes. 不要誤以為Curry對球隊的理解代表他缺乏緊迫感。他與球隊的關係仍然很穩固，因為他 信任Dunleavy，就如同他當初信任Myers一樣。而且Curry被告知，如果合適的交易出現， 勇士願意砸選秀權和其他資產來最大化接下來的幾個賽季。 “Yeah, but nobody knows what that means until there’s an opportunity or you assess what this team is,” Curry said. 「是的，但直到出現合適的機會或你可以正確評估球隊的情況時，沒人知道那究竟代表什 麼意思」，Curry說。 In the last couple of months, the Warriors and Minnesota Timberwolves had a conversation about Karl Anthony-Towns, league sources said, but it didn’t go anywhere. The Timberwolves targeted a specific package from the New York Knicks that the Warriors didn’t possess. There’s no other obvious big name immediately available as the regular season arrives. 在過去的幾個月，勇士有與灰狼商討過KAT的交易，但沒進展。灰狼針對尼克提出了明 確的交易包裹，但勇士無法匹配。隨著賽季即將開始，目前暫時沒有其他明星球員可供交 易。 “I just think the biggest thing for me is, as a player, when you’re dealing with a GM, there are material moments throughout the year that you want to have an alignment,” Curry said. “Come New Year, I may have a check-in. Come trade deadline, I might have a check-in. Come offseason, I have a check-in. The rest of the time it’s his job to go maintain relationships and keep an eye on the league. It’s my job to go hoop.” 「我認為對我來說，最重要的是，作為一名球員，當你與GM討論時，會有幾個關鍵時 刻你希望雙方能夠達成共識。當新年到來，我可能會與他交流了解情況；交易截止日前， 我可能會再次確認情況；到了休賽季，我會再次與他討論球隊的狀況。其餘的時間，就是 他的工作去維持球員的關係和關注聯盟的動態，而我的工作就是上場打球。」 總結就是，勇士本來的目標是 PG可以以保留資產的情況下從快艇那邊拿到，然後All in Lauri=組成一個爭冠隊伍 但前者失敗後，總管認為現在梭哈沒意義，縮了也不能爭冠 Curry也暫時可以理解並且願意等待機會，然後他一年會跳下來跟總管談論球隊的情況 3次 新年 交易大限 休賽季，剩下的時間要怎麼維持球員的關係跟聯盟情況的變動如何是總 管的工作 然後這訪問最奇怪的就是交易沒達成是Green跑出來說的XD -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.162.141.2 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1729612623.A.CB0.html
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10/22 23:58, 4小時前 , 1F
夢裡有 阿船收你那臭臭包幹嘛
10/22 23:58, 1F
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10/22 23:59, 4小時前 , 2F
這計劃太過一廂情願了
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10/22 23:59, 4小時前 , 3F
YY大師
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10/23 00:00, 4小時前 , 4F
金州夢想家
10/23 00:00, 4F
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10/23 00:00, 4小時前 , 5F
寧願air也不要臭魚爛蝦好嗎
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10/23 00:01, 4小時前 , 6F
苦命堅持捏在手上就啥都沒囉
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10/23 00:02, 4小時前 , 7F
唬爛 勇士根本沒資產可以換到這兩位
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10/23 00:03, 4小時前 , 8F
這怎湊的
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10/23 00:04, 4小時前 , 9F
夢裡什麼都有
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10/23 00:04, 4小時前 , 10F
這計畫….你勇以爲在玩MyGM是吧
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10/23 00:05, 4小時前 , 11F
錯字有億點點多
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10/23 00:06, 4小時前 , 12F
畫餅喔
10/23 00:06, 12F
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10/23 00:07, 4小時前 , 13F
當初主要是站在快艇不變空氣要換回一些資產的概念
10/23 00:07, 13F
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10/23 00:08, 4小時前 , 14F
但快艇決定走先重組把稅往下降再說
10/23 00:08, 14F
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10/23 00:09, 4小時前 , 15F
喔是喔真的假的
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10/23 00:09, 4小時前 , 16F
要快艇吞那包真的做夢比較快
10/23 00:09, 16F
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10/23 00:09, 4小時前 , 17F
加上勇士的球員真的都沒補上快艇要的
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10/23 00:10, 4小時前 , 18F
組成一個爭冠「對五」
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10/23 00:10, 4小時前 , 19F
湖人大概也有一樣的計畫
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10/23 00:10, 4小時前 , 20F
有夢最美
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10/23 00:12, 4小時前 , 21F
對啊 至少還是理智的
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10/23 00:12, 4小時前 , 22F
我倒覺得小鄧的作法算合理，畢竟要跟歷史三分球王
10/23 00:12, 22F
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10/23 00:12, 4小時前 , 23F
這跟湖人有意XX有87%像
10/23 00:12, 23F
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10/23 00:12, 4小時前 , 24F
還有鉅富老闆有個交代啊
10/23 00:12, 24F
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10/23 00:14, 4小時前 , 25F
爭冠隊伍 勇士隊 勇士 把一些錯字校正會更好
10/23 00:14, 25F
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10/23 00:14, 4小時前 , 26F
不過還是感謝翻譯
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10/23 00:14, 4小時前 , 27F
喔是喔然後勒?=
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10/23 00:14, 4小時前 , 28F
沒發生說什麼都可以阿
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10/23 00:15, 4小時前 , 29F
CP3+圍巾 vs air 我選擇air
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10/23 00:16, 4小時前 , 30F
沒發生怎麼嘴都可以啊
10/23 00:16, 30F
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10/23 00:18, 4小時前 , 31F
反正就是我如果可以搶劫那我就可以拿到所有想要的
10/23 00:18, 31F
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10/23 00:18, 4小時前 , 32F
沒實現就是因為其它隊不讓我搶劫
10/23 00:18, 32F
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10/23 00:20, 4小時前 , 33F
簡單說就是幻想可以搶劫快艇 其實人家根本不鳥你
10/23 00:20, 33F
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10/23 00:20, 4小時前 , 34F
好奇 在PG可能變空氣的情況下 快艇以繳稅為成本
10/23 00:20, 34F
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10/23 00:21, 4小時前 , 35F
變成空氣還比較好的情況說明了這交易如果啟動有多虧
10/23 00:21, 35F
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10/23 00:21, 4小時前 , 36F
預期從勇士那麼得到怎樣的收穫可以算補償
10/23 00:21, 36F
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10/23 00:21, 4小時前 , 37F
全部到期約+簽吧
10/23 00:21, 37F
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10/23 00:22, 4小時前 , 38F
乳摸不是有說了要勇士出Kuminga 還是我記錯
10/23 00:22, 38F
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10/23 00:22, 4小時前 , 39F
那些好的GM哪個不是在搶劫
10/23 00:22, 39F
還有 42 則推文
還有 1 段內文
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10/23 00:46, 3小時前 , 82F
哈 果然我沒記錯 勇士就真的只想出不差包薛人
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10/23 00:47, 3小時前 , 83F
看這篇文章寫的意思應該也是指啥都不給 然後梭馬卡
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10/23 00:48, 3小時前 , 84F
講講而已啦！快艇根本就寧願丟掉！提到安吉根本就
10/23 00:48, 84F
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10/23 00:48, 3小時前 , 85F
是你籌碼不夠。在那邊豪洨這兩個
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10/23 00:50, 3小時前 , 86F
做夢勇
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10/23 00:50, 3小時前 , 87F
整天想組大團有夠噁
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10/23 00:52, 3小時前 , 88F
Dunleavey是理智的(X)Frank跟Ainge沒失去理智(O)
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10/23 00:56, 3小時前 , 89F
笑死 交易kat 好像只有wiggines能匹配薪資
10/23 00:56, 89F
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10/23 00:59, 3小時前 , 90F
梭哈（X) 把別人當盤子再安慰自己有梭哈（O)
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10/23 00:59, 3小時前 , 91F
拿到玻璃寶僑也不可能爭冠 算了吧
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10/23 00:59, 3小時前 , 92F
安吉也不可能讓你佔便宜 所以都只是講講而已
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10/23 01:02, 3小時前 , 93F
嘴綠+咖哩就8000萬了再湊2大咖剩下只能搭底薪戰隊有
10/23 01:02, 93F
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10/23 01:02, 3小時前 , 94F
用嗎 還不如培養新人吧
10/23 01:02, 94F
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10/23 01:03, 3小時前 , 95F
All in換一個我都覺得在做夢了
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10/23 01:03, 3小時前 , 96F
夢裡什麼都有啦 還計畫咧
10/23 01:03, 96F
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10/23 01:04, 3小時前 , 97F
不止吧 還有阿肥，字母哥，77，斑馬，姆斯，KD
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10/23 01:04, 3小時前 , 98F
這個GM不太行啊，居然沒有想到這步
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10/23 01:05, 3小時前 , 99F
聽你在唬爛
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GM:我真的想認真做大事 只是別人不配合
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湖人GM:要不要出來說一下他的目標
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10/23 01:12, 3小時前 , 102F
當意淫仔也要適可而止吧？
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10/23 01:13, 3小時前 , 103F
那五顆零？ 甘阿捏？
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10/23 01:13, 3小時前 , 104F
不夠大團不會打球？
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10/23 01:13, 3小時前 , 105F
還有LBJ AD SGA 假日哥 77 Jokic
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10/23 01:16, 3小時前 , 106F
做夢吧
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10/23 01:16, 3小時前 , 107F
以為全世界都繞著勇士轉嗎?
10/23 01:16, 107F
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10/23 01:24, 3小時前 , 108F
夢裡什麼都有
10/23 01:24, 108F
噓
10/23 01:46, 2小時前 , 109F
GM講一堆幹話 其實根本沒有籌碼 嘻嘻
10/23 01:46, 109F
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10/23 01:46, 2小時前 , 110F
我本來也計畫同時和林志玲、周子瑜結婚 嘻嘻
10/23 01:46, 110F
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10/23 02:03, 2小時前 , 111F
這記者水準比臺灣的還低
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10/23 02:05, 2小時前 , 112F
Slater算很好的記者了啦
10/23 02:05, 112F
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10/23 02:07, 2小時前 , 113F
這唬爛藍圖跟裝忙有啥兩樣
10/23 02:07, 113F
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10/23 02:31, 2小時前 , 114F
還好不是跟湖人那隊一樣 難怪被眼紅嘻嘻
10/23 02:31, 114F
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10/23 02:32, 2小時前 , 115F
少算一百萬鎂那才叫裝忙差低
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10/23 02:45, 1小時前 , 116F
哈哈 夢裡什麼都有
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10/23 03:06, 1小時前 , 117F
不是你要拿什麼弄到這兩個…
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10/23 03:20, 1小時前 , 118F
想搶劫
10/23 03:20, 118F
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10/23 03:23, 1小時前 , 119F
我本來也計畫打NBA
10/23 03:23, 119F
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10/23 03:33, 1小時前 , 120F
感覺只是安撫咖哩說我GM有做事捏 組不起來也沒辦法
10/23 03:33, 120F
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10/23 03:50, 54分鐘前 , 121F
這不是在做夢是什麼
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