[情報] 勇士本來計畫同時拿到PG跟Markkanen

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Inside Mike Dunleavy Jr.’s second season and the Warriors’ chase for the next big fish https://reurl.cc/VMbzan 勇士記者Anthony Slater出了一篇文分系勇士總管 Mike Dunleavy Jr這個暑假的操盤 裡面有一段有講勇士這個暑假交易的變動脈絡 When Dunleavy laid out the blueprint to Curry and Green, Utah Jazz forward Lauri Markkanen wasn’t Plan B. He was a subsection of Plan A. The Warriors wanted both wings — believing George’s opt-out threat would allow them to protect the required assets to entice Utah Jazz CEO Danny Ainge, and Markkanen ’s reasonable $18 million returning salary could make the financials work. “The conversation was always about that possibility,” Green said. “You get both of those guys, you make a huge splash. But the Clippers weren’t really willing to play ball. Then Danny Ainge was being Danny Ainge.” 當Dunleavy對Curry和Green展現他的建隊藍圖時,Lauri Markkanen並不是所謂的計畫B, 而是計畫A的一部分。勇士本來想要同時得到兩名前鋒,他們認為George可能跳出合約的 風險可以讓他們保留需要的資產來與Danny Ainge談交易,並且Lauri Markkanen年薪僅 1800萬的合約也能讓交易運作。 (就是最後會是PG+Markkanen都拿到手) 「對話總是圍繞這種可能性進行」,Green說。「如果得到這兩人,就能造成巨大的影響 ,但快艇並沒有意願合作,而Ainge則是一如往常的很Ainge。」 If George had been in tow, perhaps the Warriors would’ve unloaded everything left in the cupboard for Markkanen — all the first-rounders, second-rounders, swaps and young players the Jazz requested. Contention would ’ve been a reasonable expectation. But without George, it’s clear the Warriors didn’t like the price considering the return on investment. That’s what Dunleavy relayed to Kerr in that pre-free-agency meeting at Casa Del Mar. 如果勇士拿到George,或許勇士會All in他們的首輪、次輪和爵士隊要求的年輕球員,畢 竟在這種情況下拚冠是合理的做法。但沒有George的情況下,勇士隊並不喜歡這筆交易的 投資報酬率,這也是Dunleavy在自由市場會面時告訴Kerr的。 “Mike is very sensible,” Kerr said. “He just said to me, ‘It doesn’t make sense to sell your entire future for a team that you think can be pretty good, but isn’t awesome, right?’ Especially at this stage with the ages of our stars.” 「Mike非常理智」,Kerr說。「他告訴我,為了一個還不錯,但不夠好的球隊賣掉你球隊 的整個未來並不合理,尤其是在你的核心球員年紀已經偏大的情況下。」 Dunleavy put it this way at his pre-camp news conference: “There’s no point in going all in to be slightly above average.” Dunleavy也在訓練營前的新聞發布會上表達了相同的觀點 「為了稍微變好而梭哈,這完全沒有意義。」 Three weeks later, in the same room that Dunleavy delivered that quote, controlling owner Lacob is reminded of the framing. 過了三週後,勇士隊老闆Lacob也提到他有聽到這樣的說法。 “I saw where he said that,” Lacob said. 「我看到了他說的那些話」,Lacob說。 Lacob is perpetually outward about his ambition and optimism, so it isn’t the easiest thing to concede that, even with a large summer swing, this Warriors team still wouldn’t have been good enough. “Well, here’s the issue,” Lacob said. “You’ve heard me say and you’ve heard him say: Making trades is really hard in this league. And often you have to overpay. We know that. But when you say all in, I mean in one of the situations that was a trade that you’re alluding to, ALL IN should have been in capital letters.” All the firsts, seconds, swaps, Brandin Podziemski, Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody. Lacob一向以樂觀的態度表達他對球隊的雄心壯志,因此要承認經過一個夏天的變動後勇 士並不夠好對他來說並不容易。 「問題在這裡」,Lacob說。「你有聽過我說過,也聽過其他人說過,達成交易在這個聯 盟並不容易,並且你常常會被迫付出過高的代價。但當你說要梭哈時,在你提到的其中一 個交易裡,‘梭哈’這個詞應該用大寫來表達。」 “So that term is important,” Lacob said. “It’s not just a term. That was something we tried hard to do. If you’re going to get the guy you want, you can do that. We’ve done it before. We did it with (Kevin Durant). We had to gut half the roster if you recall. So if it’s the right move, we’re willing to go quote ‘capital A capital L capital L’ all in. But you can only do that once, so you’d better be right.” 「因為這個詞非常重要,這不僅僅是一個詞,而是代表我們需要全力以赴去爭取的。如果 你想要得到某個你想要的球員,你可以這樣做(梭哈)。我們之前為了KD做過,我們拆了 一半的球員。所以如果那是對的決定,我們願意全力拚一次,但你只能拚一次,所以你最 好做對。」 中間有一段講Dunleavy的領導特質,Kerr說他能處理艱難的決定之類的 但有一段是Curry對沒有梭哈這件事情也蠻坦然的 Perhaps the most difficult — or at least most delicate — conversations of Dunleavy’s summer came with Curry. The Warriors indirectly walked Thompson out the door, weren’t able to get Curry the second established scorer he craved and pivoted into a patient approach months before Curry’s 37th birthday, all while convincing him to add an extra year onto his contract. 對Dunleavy來說,這個夏天最困難的就是與Curry的對話。Thompson的離開,無法為Curry 找到他希望的第二得分點,並在Curry的37歲生日前達成了他的續約,並且希望Curry能夠 有耐心。 “He’s just honest,” Curry said of Dunleavy. “The same way Bob was. I always say I just want to see effort and an aggressive nature.” 「他很誠實」,Curry談到Dunleavy時說。「這也是過去Bob的作風,我總是說我只是想看 到努力和積極的態度。」 Dunleavy plotted the George recruitment with Curry. He kept him up to date on any material Markkanen development. They discussed other names that both agreed didn’t move the needle. Curry and Green have always been De’Anthony Melton fans. Melton said the Warriors’ front office was in his agent’s office within 20 minutes of free agency starting. Dunleavy與Curry一起策劃了招募George的計劃,並隨時向他更新Markkanen交易的進展。 他們討論了其他幾個名字,但雙方都同意這些名字無法改變現狀。Curry和Green一直以來 都是De’Anthony Melton的粉絲。Melton說,當自由市場開始20分鐘後,勇士就聯繫了他 的經紀人。 Don’t mistake Curry’s understanding with a lack of urgency. He’s still in a sturdy alliance with the organization because he trusts Dunleavy similar to how he trusted Myers and he’s been led to believe that they will strike — using future picks and other necessary sacrifices — to maximize the next couple of seasons if the right trade materializes. 不要誤以為Curry對球隊的理解代表他缺乏緊迫感。他與球隊的關係仍然很穩固,因為他 信任Dunleavy,就如同他當初信任Myers一樣。而且Curry被告知,如果合適的交易出現, 勇士願意砸選秀權和其他資產來最大化接下來的幾個賽季。 “Yeah, but nobody knows what that means until there’s an opportunity or you assess what this team is,” Curry said. 「是的,但直到出現合適的機會或你可以正確評估球隊的情況時,沒人知道那究竟代表什 麼意思」,Curry說。 In the last couple of months, the Warriors and Minnesota Timberwolves had a conversation about Karl Anthony-Towns, league sources said, but it didn’t go anywhere. The Timberwolves targeted a specific package from the New York Knicks that the Warriors didn’t possess. There’s no other obvious big name immediately available as the regular season arrives. 在過去的幾個月,勇士有與灰狼商討過KAT的交易,但沒進展。灰狼針對尼克提出了明 確的交易包裹,但勇士無法匹配。隨著賽季即將開始,目前暫時沒有其他明星球員可供交 易。 “I just think the biggest thing for me is, as a player, when you’re dealing with a GM, there are material moments throughout the year that you want to have an alignment,” Curry said. “Come New Year, I may have a check-in. Come trade deadline, I might have a check-in. Come offseason, I have a check-in. The rest of the time it’s his job to go maintain relationships and keep an eye on the league. It’s my job to go hoop.” 「我認為對我來說,最重要的是,作為一名球員,當你與GM討論時,會有幾個關鍵時 刻你希望雙方能夠達成共識。當新年到來,我可能會與他交流了解情況;交易截止日前, 我可能會再次確認情況;到了休賽季,我會再次與他討論球隊的狀況。其餘的時間,就是 他的工作去維持球員的關係和關注聯盟的動態,而我的工作就是上場打球。」 總結就是,勇士本來的目標是 PG可以以保留資產的情況下從快艇那邊拿到,然後All in Lauri=組成一個爭冠隊伍 但前者失敗後,總管認為現在梭哈沒意義,縮了也不能爭冠 Curry也暫時可以理解並且願意等待機會,然後他一年會跳下來跟總管談論球隊的情況 3次 新年 交易大限 休賽季,剩下的時間要怎麼維持球員的關係跟聯盟情況的變動如何是總 管的工作 然後這訪問最奇怪的就是交易沒達成是Green跑出來說的XD -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.162.141.2 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1729612623.A.CB0.html

10/22 23:58, 2月前 , 1F
夢裡有 阿船收你那臭臭包幹嘛
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10/22 23:59, 2月前 , 2F
這計劃太過一廂情願了
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10/22 23:59, 2月前 , 3F
YY大師
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10/23 00:00, 2月前 , 4F
金州夢想家
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10/23 00:00, 2月前 , 5F
寧願air也不要臭魚爛蝦好嗎
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10/23 00:01, 2月前 , 6F
苦命堅持捏在手上就啥都沒囉
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10/23 00:02, 2月前 , 7F
唬爛 勇士根本沒資產可以換到這兩位
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10/23 00:03, 2月前 , 8F
這怎湊的
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10/23 00:04, 2月前 , 9F
夢裡什麼都有
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10/23 00:04, 2月前 , 10F
這計畫….你勇以爲在玩MyGM是吧
10/23 00:04, 10F

10/23 00:05, 2月前 , 11F
錯字有億點點多
10/23 00:05, 11F

10/23 00:06, 2月前 , 12F
畫餅喔
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10/23 00:07, 2月前 , 13F
當初主要是站在快艇不變空氣要換回一些資產的概念
10/23 00:07, 13F

10/23 00:08, 2月前 , 14F
但快艇決定走先重組把稅往下降再說
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10/23 00:09, 2月前 , 15F
喔是喔真的假的
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10/23 00:09, 2月前 , 16F
要快艇吞那包真的做夢比較快
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10/23 00:09, 2月前 , 17F
加上勇士的球員真的都沒補上快艇要的
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10/23 00:10, 2月前 , 18F
組成一個爭冠「對五」
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10/23 00:10, 2月前 , 19F
湖人大概也有一樣的計畫
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10/23 00:10, 2月前 , 20F
有夢最美
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10/23 00:12, 2月前 , 21F
對啊 至少還是理智的
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10/23 00:12, 2月前 , 22F
我倒覺得小鄧的作法算合理,畢竟要跟歷史三分球王
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10/23 00:12, 2月前 , 23F
這跟湖人有意XX有87%像
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10/23 00:12, 2月前 , 24F
還有鉅富老闆有個交代啊
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10/23 00:14, 2月前 , 25F
爭冠隊伍 勇士隊 勇士 把一些錯字校正會更好
10/23 00:14, 25F

10/23 00:14, 2月前 , 26F
不過還是感謝翻譯
10/23 00:14, 26F

10/23 00:14, 2月前 , 27F
喔是喔然後勒?=
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10/23 00:14, 2月前 , 28F
沒發生說什麼都可以阿
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10/23 00:15, 2月前 , 29F
CP3+圍巾 vs air 我選擇air
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10/23 00:16, 2月前 , 30F
沒發生怎麼嘴都可以啊
10/23 00:16, 30F

10/23 00:18, 2月前 , 31F
反正就是我如果可以搶劫那我就可以拿到所有想要的
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10/23 00:18, 2月前 , 32F
沒實現就是因為其它隊不讓我搶劫
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10/23 00:20, 2月前 , 33F
簡單說就是幻想可以搶劫快艇 其實人家根本不鳥你
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10/23 00:20, 2月前 , 34F
好奇 在PG可能變空氣的情況下 快艇以繳稅為成本
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10/23 00:21, 2月前 , 35F
變成空氣還比較好的情況說明了這交易如果啟動有多虧
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10/23 00:21, 2月前 , 36F
預期從勇士那麼得到怎樣的收穫可以算補償
10/23 00:21, 36F

10/23 00:21, 2月前 , 37F
全部到期約+簽吧
10/23 00:21, 37F

10/23 00:22, 2月前 , 38F
乳摸不是有說了要勇士出Kuminga 還是我記錯
10/23 00:22, 38F

10/23 00:22, 2月前 , 39F
那些好的GM哪個不是在搶劫
10/23 00:22, 39F
還有 81 則推文
還有 1 段內文
10/23 03:50, 2月前 , 121F
這不是在做夢是什麼
10/23 03:50, 121F

10/23 04:38, 2月前 , 122F
真假
10/23 04:38, 122F

10/23 05:12, 2月前 , 123F
殺小啊 幻想文喔
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10/23 05:30, 2月前 , 124F
公園阿北:我本來也想一次打十個
10/23 05:30, 124F

10/23 06:08, 2月前 , 125F
沒交易就沒交易還要放廢文摸頭==
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10/23 06:17, 2月前 , 126F
請問怎麼搶的 把不公平交易關掉嗎
10/23 06:17, 126F

10/23 06:25, 2月前 , 127F
喔是喔真的假的555555555
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10/23 07:02, 2月前 , 128F
怎麼不乾脆連小丑和字母也試試看?
10/23 07:02, 128F

10/23 07:06, 2月前 , 129F
當別人都笨蛋
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10/23 07:21, 2月前 , 130F
早睡早起啦
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10/23 07:23, 2月前 , 131F
小丑蟻人一起
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10/23 07:37, 2月前 , 132F
真的以為自家球員都是寶,隨便換球星
10/23 07:37, 132F

10/23 07:43, 2月前 , 133F
柯瑞軟手?看看這次美國隊吧
10/23 07:43, 133F

10/23 07:44, 2月前 , 134F
果然也有談KAT XD
10/23 07:44, 134F

10/23 07:56, 2月前 , 135F
太猛了!
10/23 07:56, 135F

10/23 08:01, 2月前 , 136F
阿當初苦命直接丟出去換就好了,基石什麼都是騙人
10/23 08:01, 136F

10/23 08:01, 2月前 , 137F
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10/23 08:35, 2月前 , 138F
要同時拿這2隻你不出咖哩怎麼可能拿的到?
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10/23 08:38, 2月前 , 139F
自己幻想然後尻得很爽 再出來說本來要幹大事
10/23 08:38, 139F

10/23 08:46, 2月前 , 140F
咖啡差點保底五冠 可惜
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10/23 08:47, 2月前 , 141F
字母哥不順便一起嗎
10/23 08:47, 141F

10/23 08:55, 2月前 , 142F
湖人也是
10/23 08:55, 142F

10/23 08:57, 2月前 , 143F
....哪來的錢啦
10/23 08:57, 143F

10/23 09:13, 2月前 , 144F
夢裡什麼都有
10/23 09:13, 144F

10/23 09:25, 2月前 , 145F
你出咖哩人家也不會換啦 咖哩只剩勇士敝帚自珍了
10/23 09:25, 145F

10/23 09:39, 2月前 , 146F
我原本也計劃跟艾瑪華森結婚欸
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10/23 10:03, 2月前 , 147F
XDDDDDDDDDD 夢裡什麼都有
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10/23 10:32, 2月前 , 148F
本來還想拿到AD KD PG 書人 最後底薪簽腿詹來溫板凳
10/23 10:32, 148F

10/23 10:47, 2月前 , 149F
好險沒簽 pg根本不打球
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10/23 11:35, 2月前 , 150F
樓下小粉紅也想同時擁抱迪麗熱巴和范冰冰。
10/23 11:35, 150F

10/23 11:39, 2月前 , 151F
看起來很多人都被嚇到了 XDDD
10/23 11:39, 151F

10/23 13:05, 2月前 , 152F
不差包
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10/23 13:30, 2月前 , 153F
:勇士最注重養成了
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10/23 16:11, 2月前 , 154F
其實也算合理,PG痛痛人而且上一季打得普通的場次
10/23 16:11, 154F

10/23 16:11, 2月前 , 155F
也比較多然後年紀也偏大,馬凱南則是還沒在季後賽
10/23 16:11, 155F

10/23 16:11, 2月前 , 156F
證明過自己也有痛痛人嫌疑
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10/23 16:15, 2月前 , 157F
樓上觀察力不錯,苦命穆迪有慢慢打出來了
10/23 16:15, 157F

10/24 00:28, 2月前 , 158F
這篇換湖人 一堆勇寶開始嗨了
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10/24 07:54, 2月前 , 159F
勇士湖人狀況又不一樣 勇士資產比較多
10/24 07:54, 159F
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