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[外絮] Ham:我在湖人所做的一切在其他地方都在討論續約了

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https://reurl.cc/ZZ9OoW 節錄他談及湖人的部分 On May 27, 2022, the Lakers hired Ham for his first coaching job after the firing of Frank Vogel. ESPN reported at that time that Lakers were sold by Ham ’s “stature and toughness, his history of coaching star players and championship pedigree as an assistant and player.” The former NBA journeyman forward spent nine seasons under Mike Budenholzer as an assistant coach with the Atlanta Hawks and Milwaukee, including winning the 2021 NBA championship with the Bucks. 在2022年5月27日，湖人在開除Frank Vogel之後雇用了Ham並給他第一份總教練工作。ESPN 報導湖人當時被Ham的個子與堅韌、執教明星球員的經歷以及作為助教與球員的總冠軍經驗 所吸引。這位前NBA浪人在Mike Budenholzer手下作為助理教練在亞特蘭大老鷹與密爾瓦基 公鹿度過了9個球季並贏下了2021NBA總冠軍。 The Lakers were Ham’s first NBA coaching job after being passed over in nine interviews. Upon Ham’s hiring with Los Angeles, James tweeted: “”So damn EXCITED!!!!!!!! Congrats and welcome Coach DHam!!” 湖人是Ham在面試9次失敗後的第一份NBA教練工作。在Ham被洛杉磯雇用之後，James發了推 文"太興奮啦!!!!!!Ham教練恭喜!!" Ham coached James, forward Anthony Davis and the Lakers to a 43-39 record during the 2022-23 season. The Lakers went from a play-in tournament team to the 2023 Western Conference finals. The 2023 NBA champion Denver Nuggets swept the Lakers in those conference finals, but making it there added optimism for the future. Under Ham, the Lakers also won the first NBA Cup championship. 他執教了James、前鋒Anthony Davis並讓湖人在22-23球季打出了43-39的戰績。湖人從附 加賽球隊一路殺到了2023西區決賽。2023年NBA總冠軍丹佛金塊在分區決賽橫掃了湖人，不 過這仍讓湖人的未來看起來更加樂觀。在Ham的執教下，湖人也贏下了第一次NBA盃冠軍。 The Lakers finished the 2023-24 regular season 47-35 and defeated the New Orleans Pelicans in the play-in tournament to land the Western Conference’s seventh spot. The Nuggets, however, foiled the Lakers again, defeating them in the first round of the playoffs in five games. 湖人在23-24球季打出了47-35的戰績並在附加賽打敗了紐奧良鵜鶘並成為第7種子。然而， 金塊再次擊敗了湖人並在第一輪5場之後淘汰了他們。 On May 3, 2024, a stunned Ham was fired by the Lakers. Ham said he was “ disappointed” and that it was “crazy” that he didn’t get an opportunity to grow in the seat. “To do as well as I did, I swear to God, anywhere else I’m probably looking at an extension with what I did,” Ham said. “I’m not talking about feelings. I’m talking actual facts. They go from not making it to the playoffs to the final four in the NBA, the conference finals. And then you win the in-season tournament, navigate through all the injuries and win both of your play-in games to get to the playoffs. “People always talk about us losing to Denver, but they never talk about how we got to Denver. We beat a kick-ass young squad in Memphis and we beat Golden State.” 5/23震驚的Ham被湖人給開除。Ham說他當時感到"失望"且他覺得他沒有獲得機會在那個位 置繼續成長非常"瘋狂"。 "如果做得跟我一樣好，我對天發誓，我達到的成就在任何其他地方應該都在尋求續約。" Ham表示 "我不是在談論感覺。我在談論事實。他們從打不進季後賽一路打到了NBA的四強，分區決 賽。然後我們贏下了季中錦標賽，經歷了各種傷病並贏下附加賽打進季後賽。 "大家只會說我們輸給了丹佛，但他們不討論我們如何抵達了丹佛。我們在曼菲斯打敗了年 輕有活力的球隊又打敗了金州。" “I’m not going through the whole Lakers thing. I thought he got a tough deal there,” Rivers said pregame. Doc Rivers在賽前表示"我不會談論太多湖人的事情。我認為他在那邊的處境相當艱難。" There were questions on social media and from NBA journalists about Ham’s X’ s and O’s, lineups and rotations. Davis questioned Ham’s coaching on both ends during the Nuggets series. ESPN senior writer Ramona Shelburne also previously reported that James lost faith in Ham over the course of last season. 在社群媒體上以及NBA記者都對於Ham的戰術、陣容與輪替有相當多的質疑。Davis在兩次輸 給丹佛金塊後都質疑Ham的執教能力。ESPN資深寫手Ramona Shelburne也曾報導James在上 一季季末的各種事情之後對Ham喪失了信心。 “I’m not a mudslinger and I’m not going to wait until I’m 51 to become one,” Ham said. “You feel like you did enough to sustain in one spot. I felt like I did that. I get it. The franchise I’m working for, the expectations can be unrealistic at certain points in time. To be 33-49 when I was hired, with an unbalanced roster, turn that around, make it to the Western Conference finals. The very next year we were a plus-10 in wins, going from 33-49 to 43-39. And guys got paid on my watch. It went from a lot of unknown scenarios to I think we have a little bit of a core. And then we got hit with the injury bug like crazy last [season]. We might have been Top 5 in games lost to injury. "我不是那種喜歡詆毀別人的人我也不會等到了51歲才變成這種人。"Ham表示。 "你感覺自己做得已經足夠，足以在一個位置上站穩腳跟。我覺得我做到了。我明白，為這 樣一支球隊工作，有時候外界的期待是不切實際的。當我被雇用的時後，我們的戰績是33 勝49負，陣容不平衡，但我扭轉了這個局勢，打進入了西區決賽。接下來的一年，我們的 勝場數多了10場，從33勝49負到43勝39負。而且在我執教期間，有些球員獲得了大合約。 我們從許多未知的情況中走出來，我認為我們形成了一些核心。然後我們上一季遭遇了嚴 重傷病潮，像瘋了一樣。上賽季我們的比賽缺席場次可能排聯盟前五。" “It’s being reported like I’m just throwing some lineups up against the wall to see what sticks. No man, we were really navigating a lot from guys being hurt to having the oldest player in the league [James] to navigating A.D.’s injury history. It was a lot. "有些報導把事情說得像是我隨便把一些陣容丟上去看有什麼效果。不是那樣的，兄弟，我 們真的在處理很多問題，從球員受傷到隊中有聯盟最老的球員(James)，再到應對AD的傷病 史，這真的太多了。 “Some of the s— that was coming out? Wow, bro I don’t know X’s and O’s? I was winging it. Dude, that was the most disappointing stuff, how mean and so much stuff people are saying online. The best thing I could do was block out the outside noise,” Ham said. 有些言論，哇，兄弟，他們說我不懂戰術?說我在混日子?這些話是最讓人失望的。網路 上的言論有多刻薄，真的令人難以置信。我能做的最好的事情就是屏蔽外界的噪音。" Ham表示。 ... 後面是他怎麼加入老河(原本想休息) 他為甚麼拒絕Bud 以及一些他家人的事情 ... Meanwhile, the Lakers are off to a 14-12 record under first-year coach J.J. Redick. Ham said that while he has kept in touch with several of his former players, he has not had a conversation of note with James and Davis since he left. 與此同時，湖人現在正在經歷一個14-12敗的紀錄並由菜鳥總教練JJ Redick所帶領。Ham說 雖然他與一些過去執教過的球員維持聯繫，但他離開後還沒跟James或是Davis講過話。 Even so, Ham says he wishes the Lakers the best and has “no ill will.” The Bucks host the Lakers on March 13, 2025, and visit Los Angeles on March 18, 2025. 即使如此，Ham仍說他祝福湖人一切順利且他對於前東家"沒有任何惡意"。公鹿將在2025年 3月13日在主場對陣湖人並在2025年3月18日作客湖人。 “I haven’t talked to anybody,” Ham said. “When we played them in the preseason, I said hello to a couple of guys. Jaxson [Hayes], Cam [Reddish], DLo [D’Angelo Russell], Gabe [Vincent]. But not really, man. LeBron ran past the bench and we had a little bit of small talk. "我還沒跟任何人說過話"Ham表示"我們在熱身賽與他們對陣時，我跟幾個人打了招呼。 Jaxon Hayes、DLo、Gabe Vincent。但真的不多，LeBron跑過替補席時，我們簡短聊了幾 句。" “There is no ill will for me. Their situation is what it is.” "我對他們沒有任何惡意。他們的情況既然已經發生了就是發生了。" 心得 It is what it is -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 104.176.138.216 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1734558537.A.200.html ※ 編輯: EZ78 (104.176.138.216 美國), 12/19/2024 05:58:03
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12/19 05:53, 4小時前 , 1F
還敢反駁R 小心下一個吸血鬼就是你
12/19 05:53, 1F
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12/19 06:04, 4小時前 , 2F
可憐，在湖人做的事情都要被放大檢視
12/19 06:04, 2F
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12/19 06:05, 4小時前 , 3F
總是有人要背鍋啊，先是德軟龜龜我哥再來是火腿王
12/19 06:05, 3F
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12/19 06:05, 4小時前 , 4F
子，今年會換誰？
12/19 06:05, 4F
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12/19 06:07, 4小時前 , 5F
JJ有料
12/19 06:07, 5F
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12/19 06:07, 4小時前 , 6F
你也不孤單啦 之前還有拿總冠軍照樣被火的
12/19 06:07, 6F
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12/19 06:07, 4小時前 , 7F
所以根本就不是教練的問題
12/19 06:07, 7F
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12/19 06:07, 4小時前 , 8F
只是拿教練開刀來掩蓋最大的問題 懂的就懂
12/19 06:07, 8F
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12/19 06:10, 4小時前 , 9F
都是they的錯 ~
12/19 06:10, 9F
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12/19 06:10, 4小時前 , 10F
但他調度爛跟不會變通也是事實啊
12/19 06:10, 10F
※ 編輯: EZ78 (104.176.138.216 美國), 12/19/2024 06:11:13
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12/19 06:11, 4小時前 , 11F
隊上雙星都不滿的教練有哪個坐的穩的啊
12/19 06:11, 11F
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12/19 06:12, 4小時前 , 12F
別忘公鹿前教練怎麼走的 字母哥不滿季中直接滾蛋
12/19 06:12, 12F
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12/19 06:14, 4小時前 , 13F
其實Giannis在公鹿最服的教練就是Ham XD
12/19 06:14, 13F
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12/19 06:14, 4小時前 , 14F
湖人當初也是因為這段關係才找他的
12/19 06:14, 14F
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12/19 06:15, 4小時前 , 15F
只能說在公鹿扮黑臉跟在湖人當總欸還是不太一樣
12/19 06:15, 15F
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12/19 06:16, 4小時前 , 16F
看這發言壞習慣會被火就是嘴AD啊 河流換火腿也是重
12/19 06:16, 16F
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12/19 06:16, 4小時前 , 17F
演嘴字母
12/19 06:16, 17F
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12/19 06:16, 4小時前 , 18F
他光是不挑戰就很有問題了
12/19 06:16, 18F
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12/19 06:17, 4小時前 , 19F
老頭 ad dlo 八村都不滿 主力一半以上都有嫌隙 能
12/19 06:17, 19F
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12/19 06:17, 4小時前 , 20F
續約是見鬼了
12/19 06:17, 20F
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12/19 06:19, 4小時前 , 21F
唬迷繼續嘴別人暫停跟挑戰 好啦 現在換了個迷迷口
12/19 06:19, 21F
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12/19 06:20, 4小時前 , 22F
中很會暫停挑戰的 戰績如何啊xdd
12/19 06:20, 22F
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12/19 06:20, 4小時前 , 23F
看看基德坐爽爽
12/19 06:20, 23F
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12/19 06:21, 4小時前 , 24F
就 他是真的一定要走 但我也同時不覺得他問題真的
12/19 06:21, 24F
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12/19 06:21, 4小時前 , 25F
有這麼大
12/19 06:21, 25F
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12/19 06:21, 4小時前 , 26F
臭老東家
12/19 06:21, 26F
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12/19 06:21, 4小時前 , 27F
講真的 湖人去年真的很差嗎?我倒是覺得湖人去年打
12/19 06:21, 27F
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12/19 06:21, 4小時前 , 28F
的並不算差
12/19 06:21, 28F
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12/19 06:22, 4小時前 , 29F
唬迷當初把別人嘴的一無是處 但事實是他會走的原因
12/19 06:22, 29F
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12/19 06:22, 4小時前 , 30F
就是跟隊上兩個老大哥有嫌隙
12/19 06:22, 30F
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12/19 06:22, 4小時前 , 31F
火腿的AD紮營和外線放投的防守方針讓球員還頗健康
12/19 06:22, 31F
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12/19 06:23, 4小時前 , 32F
47-35絕對不是什麼很糟糕的戰績
12/19 06:23, 32F
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12/19 06:23, 4小時前 , 33F
不然照唬迷說的 季中盃冠軍含金量這麼高 又有季後
12/19 06:23, 33F
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12/19 06:23, 4小時前 , 34F
換教練跟球隊文化也有關係
12/19 06:23, 34F
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12/19 06:23, 4小時前 , 35F
一堆教練都是被火了立刻就找到新工作
12/19 06:23, 35F
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12/19 06:23, 4小時前 , 36F
賽 不是鐵續約的嗎xdd
12/19 06:23, 36F
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12/19 06:23, 4小時前 , 37F
可見也不一定是能力的問題
12/19 06:23, 37F
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12/19 06:23, 4小時前 , 38F
在唬人有問題的永遠是教練不是球員
12/19 06:23, 38F
還有 90 則推文
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12/19 07:01, 3小時前 , 129F
大幅
12/19 07:01, 129F
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12/19 07:02, 3小時前 , 130F
豹紋廚，樓下狂暴化
12/19 07:02, 130F
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12/19 07:05, 3小時前 , 131F
弄到全隊不爽被火很正常吧…
12/19 07:05, 131F
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12/19 07:05, 3小時前 , 132F
77777pupu
12/19 07:05, 132F
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12/19 07:10, 3小時前 , 133F
沒事，人家成績說話，又開一春了，你只能在網路上
12/19 07:10, 133F
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12/19 07:10, 3小時前 , 134F
說人家鷹爪門云云
12/19 07:10, 134F
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12/19 07:11, 3小時前 , 135F
只要制服組開綠燈，總教練用信任的人是非常常見
12/19 07:11, 135F
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12/19 07:12, 3小時前 , 136F
反倒是像溜馬前任Nate Bjorkgren自己組不起來更危險
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12/19 07:13, 3小時前 , 137F
Bjorkgren好懷念的名字 看過翻車翻最大的總欸
12/19 07:13, 137F
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12/19 07:13, 3小時前 , 138F
針對助教團的資歷去評斷，會是比較公平的方式
12/19 07:13, 138F
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12/19 07:13, 3小時前 , 139F
我記得跟他吵最兇的好像是Goga 然後全隊都不服他
12/19 07:13, 139F
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12/19 07:16, 3小時前 , 140F
就像當初Udoka賽提也是組波特蘭親友團，還帶去火箭
12/19 07:16, 140F
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12/19 07:17, 3小時前 , 141F
但當他成功策反Will Hardy當首席時，我就墊墊了XD
12/19 07:17, 141F
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12/19 07:17, 3小時前 , 142F
確實
12/19 07:17, 142F
噓
12/19 07:22, 3小時前 , 143F
説啥調度爛，戰績還是比JJ好才是事實
12/19 07:22, 143F
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12/19 07:23, 3小時前 , 144F
這個成績確實不差
12/19 07:23, 144F
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12/19 07:25, 3小時前 , 145F
當山羌教練就是這樣囉，這就是一個過程，人家還會
12/19 07:25, 145F
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12/19 07:25, 3小時前 , 146F
拍紀錄片噁心你呢
12/19 07:25, 146F
噓
12/19 07:29, 3小時前 , 147F
姆咪一直說JJ調度戰術比火腿強，結果現在戰績？？
12/19 07:29, 147F
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12/19 07:31, 3小時前 , 148F
山羌真是教練殺手
12/19 07:31, 148F
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12/19 07:31, 3小時前 , 149F
湖人都換幾個教練了 還戰術跟調度咧 明明就是政治
12/19 07:31, 149F
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12/19 07:31, 3小時前 , 150F
問題遠大於籃球本身
12/19 07:31, 150F
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12/19 07:33, 3小時前 , 152F
總覺得好像有很多人忘了公鹿總教練是老河？
12/19 07:33, 152F
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12/19 07:35, 3小時前 , 153F
協尋臉被火腿打爛的某族群，嘻
12/19 07:35, 153F
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12/19 07:37, 3小時前 , 154F
當總教練要顧的不是只有戰績而已，要坐得穩人和也是
12/19 07:37, 154F
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12/19 07:37, 3小時前 , 155F
重點，不管球員還是管理層都要安撫到位
12/19 07:37, 155F
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12/19 07:38, 3小時前 , 156F
火腿光帶湖人那聯盟最爛後防打好幾次季後賽就算不差
12/19 07:38, 156F
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12/19 07:39, 3小時前 , 157F
了 完全是被球員甩鍋而已
12/19 07:39, 157F
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12/19 07:39, 3小時前 , 158F
NBA總教練就是用來扛責的 賣票的不能動當然動你 少
12/19 07:39, 158F
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12/19 07:39, 3小時前 , 159F
數像馬刺波波就是總裁 濕婆由總裁特別提拔的 有人相
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12/19 07:39, 3小時前 , 160F
挺另當別論
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12/19 07:39, 3小時前 , 161F
拿冠的都會被開了
12/19 07:39, 161F
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12/19 07:40, 3小時前 , 162F
火腿助教跟火腿總教練需要的能力完全不一樣啊
12/19 07:40, 162F
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12/19 07:41, 2小時前 , 163F
不過火腿表露這樣的想法心態是還在助教的角色思考
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12/19 07:41, 2小時前 , 164F
像這場王子才打20分鐘，如果火腿是總教練大概+10~15
12/19 07:41, 164F
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12/19 07:42, 2小時前 , 165F
然後火腿是個好助教，全聯盟應該都肯定這件事。
12/19 07:42, 165F
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12/19 07:42, 2小時前 , 166F
但他總教練的功力，就看還有沒有別隊敢給他執教吧。
12/19 07:42, 166F
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12/19 07:44, 2小時前 , 167F
坐等LBJ退休看好戲
12/19 07:44, 167F
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12/19 07:46, 2小時前 , 168F
看這篇我以為火腿是公鹿的總教練勒
12/19 07:46, 168F
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