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https://reurl.cc/DKzNyj 前言還是老樣子 不會看球隊適性 年紀選秀日為準 然後他也一如往常這時間點不會列入超過第50名的大學新鮮人 因為他覺得他們該回學校 (身高我用Excel轉的怪怪的 所以就沒貼) 1 Cooper Flagg Duke W/F 18 2 Dylan Harper Rutgers G 19 3 Ace Bailey Rutgers W 18 4 V.J. Edgecombe Baylor G 19 5 Kasparas Jakucionis Illinois G 19 6 Kon Knueppel Duke W 19 7 Liam McNeeley Connecticut W 19 8 Derik Queen Maryland C 20 9 Collin Murray-Boyles South Carolina W/F 19 10 Tre Johnson Texas G 19 11 Jase Richardson Michigan State G 19 12 Khaman Maluach Duke C 19 13 Asa Newell Georgia F/C 19 14 Nolan Traore Saint-Quentin G 19 15 Ben Saraf Ratiopharm Ulm G 19 16 Thomas Sorber Georgetown C 19 17 Jeremiah Fears Oklahoma G 18 18 Hugo Gonzalez Real Madrid W 19 19 Carter Bryant Arizona W/F 19 20 Rasheer Fleming St. Joseph's F 20 21 Egor Demin BYU G 19 22 Noah Penda Le Mans F 20 23 Joan Beringer Cedevita C 18 24 Miles Byrd San Diego State W 20 25 Danny Wolf Michigan F/C 21 26 Johni Broome Auburn C 22 27 Noa Essengue Ratiopharm Ulm F 18 28 Kam Jones Marquette G 23 29 Labaron Philon Alabama G 19 30 Alex Karaban Connecticut W/F 22 31 Alex Toohey Sydney W/F 21 32 Sergio De Larrea Valencia W 19 33 Bogoljub Markovic Mega F 19 34 Adou Thiero Arkansas W 20 35 Nique Clifford Colorado State W 22 36 JoJo Tugler Houston F/C 20 37 Tyrese Proctor Duke G 21 38 Braden Smith Purdue G 21 39 Ryan Kalkbrenner Creighton C 23 40 Max Shulga VCU W 22 41 Isaiah Evans Duke W 19 42 Ian Jackson North Carolina G 20 43 Boogie Fland Arkansas G 18 44 Cedric Coward Washington State F 22 45 Milos Uzan Houston G 22 46 Tahaad Pettiford Auburn G 19 47 Walter Clayton Jr. Florida G 22 48 K.J. Lewis Arizona G 20 49 Will Riley Illinois W 19 50 Alex Condon Florida F/C 20 51 Rocco Zikarsky Brisbane C 18 52 Jamir Watkins Florida State W 23 53 Chaz Lanier Tennessee G 23 54 Wesley Yates III USC G 20 55 Josh Dix Iowa W 21 56 Tomislav Ivisic Illinois C 21 57 Hunter Sallis Wake Forest G 22 58 Ben Henshall Perth G 21 59 Dink Pate Mexico City Capitanes G 19 60 Darrion Williams Texas Tech W/F 22 61 Ryan Conwell Xavier G 21 62 Yaxel Lendeborg UAB W/F 22 63 Sion James Duke G 22 64 Maxime Raynaud Stanford C 22 65 Alijah Martin Florida G 23 66 Terrance Arceneaux Houston W 21 67 Anthony Robinson Missouri G 20 68 Johann Grunloh Rasta Vechta F/C 19 69 Michael Ruzic Joventut F 18 70 Kadary Richmond St. John's G 23 71 J.T. Toppin Texas Tech F/C 20 72 Micah Peavy Georgetown W 23 73 Eric Dailey Jr. UCLA W/F 21 74 Chase Hunter Clemson G 24 75 Mark Sears Alabama G 23 76 Jaland Lowe Pittsburgh G 20 77 Xaivian Lee Princeton G 21 78 Dailyn Swain Xavier W 19 79 Vladislav Goldin Michigan C 24 80 Hansen Yang Qingdao C 19 81 Donovan Dent New Mexico G 21 82 John Tonje Wisconsin W/F 24 83 Andrej Stojakovic California W 20 84 Nolan Winter Wisconsin C 20 85 Brooks Barnhizer Northwestern W 23 86 Amari Williams Kentucky C 23 87 Joshua Jefferson Iowa State W/F 21 88 R.J. Luis St. Johns W 22 89 Koby Brea Kentucky W/F 22 90 Izan Almansa G League Ignite F 20 91 Thomas Haugh Florida W/F 20 92 Zvonimir Ivisic Arkansas C 21 93 Otega Oweh Kentucky W 22 94 Ryan Nembhard Gonzaga G 22 95 Eric Dixon Villanova F 24 96 Neoklis Avdalas Peristeri W/F 19 97 Desmond Claude USC G 22 98 John Poulakidas Yale W 23 99 Jaxson Robinson Kentucky W 22 100 Payton Sandfort Iowa W 21 Cooper Flagg | 6-9 freshman wing | Duke | 18 years old | No. 1 It’s hard to overemphasize how dominant Flagg has been in ACC play. The youngest draft prospect in the class, Flagg would be my current pick for national player of the year at just 18 years old. In conference play, he’s averaging 22 points, seven rebounds and four assists with a two-to-one assist-to-turnover ratio. He’s shooting 53 percent from the field, 44 percent from 3 and 85 percent from the line. He’s still one of the best defensive players in the country, and his competitive fire showcases itself at every moment possible. With all due respect to Auburn and Flagg’s primary competition for national player of the year, Johni Broome, Duke is the team I would pick to win the title if I had to choose one today. 你很難再去放大Flagg在ACC的比賽表現多麼有統治力。雖然本屆最年輕的新秀之一,但18 歲的Flagg已經是我今年全國最佳球員的人選了。在聯盟內的比賽,他場均22分7籃板4助攻 還有著2:1的助攻失誤比。他投籃命中率53%三分球命中率44%並罰球命中率85%。他還是全 國最佳的防守球員之一且他的熾熱的競爭心在每一個時刻都嶄露無遺。雖然我對Auburn大 學及與Flagg全國最佳球員的主要競爭者Johni Broome表示敬意,但Duke才是如果我今天非 要選擇一支球隊贏下冠軍的那支球隊。 We’ve never seen a player this young dominate college basketball quite like this, with this ruthless efficiency, sharp passing and dominant shot creation from all three levels as a wing. Zion Williamson was unstoppable going to the rim, and Anthony Davis was as good defensively as a prospect has ever been in college hoops. But Flagg’s ability to combine all of this into one player who can get to his spots from all three levels is unfathomable. The absurd thing is that he keeps getting better as the season goes on. 我們從未見過一名像他如此年輕並能統治大學籃球的球員,有如此無情的效率、敏銳的傳 球與在三個層級(投籃、三分、罰球)有統治力的投籃創造能力。Zion Williamson在衝擊籃 框方面無人能擋,Anthony Davis則是有史以來防守最好的新秀。但Flagg能夠將所有這些 特質融合到一個球員身上, 他可以從三個層面到達他的位置,這種能力令人難以置信。無 理的是,隨著賽季的進行,他的表現卻越來越好。 I wrote at length earlier this month about Flagg. Those thoughts remain true. He’s the clear No. 1 pick in the draft, and there will be no competition. The NBA Draft Lottery on May 12 is officially the Capture the Flagg sweepstakes, and whoever gets that pick is getting a franchise-altering talent whose presence will change the trajectory of their organization. He’s elite on the court, but beyond that, his competitive character, toughness and sole desire to win basketball games will give you a culture to build your organization around for the coming decade. 這個月初我寫了關於Flagg的長文。那些想法依然維持正確。他是本屆選秀顯而易見的狀元 ,而且他將不會有任何競爭。5/12的NBA樂透抽籤正式成為一個"奪旗"的抽獎活動,而無論 誰取得第一順位都將獲得一位能夠改變球隊命運的天才球員,他的存在將改變球隊的發展 路線。他在球場上表現出色,但除此之外,他的競爭性格、堅韌不拔的精神以及對贏得籃 球比賽的唯一渴望將為你在未來十年建立球隊提供一種文化。 V.J. Edgecombe | 6-5 freshman guard | Baylor | 20 years old | No. 4 Edgecombe has figured things out in Big 12 play even as Baylor stumbles as one of the more disappointing teams in the country. Over his last 13 games, he ’s averaging 17.5 points, 4.5 rebounds and 3.6 assists while playing tough defense and shooting 47 percent from the field, 39 percent from 3 and 87 percent from the line. As Edgecombe’s shot has started to fall at a more consistent level — he was a 40 percent shooter off the catch in high school from 3 in both of his seasons at Long Island Lutheran — the rest of his game has blossomed. He’s become more consistent attacking the rim and finding different little ways into successful paint touches and scores. 雖然Baylor是全國最令人失望的球隊之一,但Edgecombe卻越打越好並適應Big 12聯盟。在 他過去的13場比賽中,他場均17.5分4.5籃板3.6助攻同時打著強硬的防守並有著47%的投籃 命中率39%的三分命中率及87%的罰球命中率。雖然Edgecombe的投射冷卻了下來--他在Long Island Lutheran高中時2季僅是是個40%的C&S三分射手--他比賽中其餘的部分開花結果。 他攻擊籃框方面變得更加穩定並能找出一些小縫隙造出成功的禁區觸球與得分。 That, along with the rest of the class continuing to live down to relative expectations, has vaulted him to the clear No. 4 spot. But questions persist about his game. Scouts are very interested to see how he’ll measure in Chicago at the NBA Draft Combine. Listed at 6-foot-5, most evaluators have a degree of skepticism that he hits that mark. On top of that, most of Edgecombe ’s consistent sources of success this year have come off the ball as opposed to being the primary playmaker. Questions remain about his left hand off the bounce. He also hasn’t dealt particularly well with heavy ball pressure when acting as a primary option. 隨著同屆其他人相對不符一開始的期望(Jakucionis及一些其他人),他也一躍成為當之無 愧的第4名。但他的球賽中仍存在一些疑問。球探們非常有興趣看看他在芝加哥的NBA選秀 聯合試訓中會表現如何。他的身高表列6'5",但大多數評估者對他是否真的有這身高存在 一定的疑問。除此之外,Edgecombe本季目前的成功都來自無球而非作為主要的Playmaker 。對於他左手運球能力仍有許多疑問。面對高強度防守時,作為主攻點的表現也並不理想 。 Still, it’s hard to see Edgecombe as anything other than fairly safe in this class. He’s a terrific defender with all sorts of athleticism and quickness. He’s a serious playmaker on that end, averaging two steals per game to go with nearly one block per game on the season. He’s also extremely tough on the ball because of his athleticism and strength. It’s hard to go through his chest even though he’s not enormous. The jumper doesn’t always look consistent, but the ball goes in the hoop, and he’s an awesome free-throw shooter for being a freshman. It’s easy to envision Edgecombe getting early minutes just as a 3-and-D style guard, then allowing him to use that as a base to build the rest of the on-ball skills. Even if those need work, sources across basketball rave about his work ethic and effort levels. 儘管如此,你很難不認為Edgecombe在這屆是相對安全的。他是個出色的防守者並擁有出色 的體能與敏捷度。他在防守端是個真正的Playmaker,本紀場均2抄截並接近1火鍋。由於他 的運動能力和力量他也可以對球造成很大的壓力。雖然他並不大隻,但你很難穿越他的胸 膛。他的跳投看起來並不總是那麼穩定,但球確實能進得了籃筐,作為一名新生,他的罰 球命中率非常出色。很容易想像Edgecombe會以3D型後衛的身份早早獲得上場時間,然後以 此為基礎培養其他對球技巧。儘管這些還需要改進,但籃球界對他的職業道德和努力程度 讚不絕口。 Maybe he ends up just being a super high-end athlete who is a 3-and-D guard. If that’s the case, he probably wouldn’t return the commensurate value with the No. 4 pick. But if that’s really the worst-case scenario (and I think it is), with his upside for more given his truly elite athleticism that will place him in the top 5 percent of all NBA players, it’s probably worth going for it within the top five. I don’t expect Edgecombe to fall outside of that range on my final board given his successful close to the season. 或許他最終只會成為一個高運動能力的3-D後衛。如果是這樣的話他可能無法回報第4順位 的價值。但如果是最糟糕的情況(我認為是這樣),考慮到他真正優秀的運動能力,他的潛 力將使他躋身所有NBA球員的前5%,所以進入前五名可能還是值得的。考慮到Edgecombe在 本賽季末取得的成功,我預計他的最終排名不會超出這個範圍。 (剩下的我看情況要不要翻XD) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 104.176.138.216 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1740710020.A.22A.html

02/28 10:35, 8小時前 , 1F
希望巫師能奪旗成功
02/28 10:35, 1F

02/28 10:36, 8小時前 , 2F
爵士該拿第一個屬於自己的狀元吧
02/28 10:36, 2F

02/28 10:37, 8小時前 , 3F
爵士不是應該等明年BYU的Dybantsa嗎 今年選個Demin
02/28 10:37, 3F

02/28 10:37, 8小時前 , 4F
XD
02/28 10:37, 4F

02/28 10:38, 8小時前 , 5F
NCAA天才很多,真的有打出來的不多,尤其是狀元XD
02/28 10:38, 5F

02/28 10:38, 8小時前 , 6F
德明掉得不少啊XD用狼籤就能選
02/28 10:38, 6F

02/28 10:40, 8小時前 , 7F
天才很多 進NBA才blah blah blah=廢話
02/28 10:40, 7F

02/28 10:40, 8小時前 , 8F
想請教W是哪個位子啊?
02/28 10:40, 8F

02/28 10:40, 8小時前 , 9F
話說AJD也不一定是狀元就是了,如果進了大學沒什麼
02/28 10:40, 9F

02/28 10:41, 7小時前 , 10F
W=Wing 側翼 大部分就是2-3號位搖擺人
02/28 10:41, 10F

02/28 10:41, 7小時前 , 11F
爵士順位選demin很浪費吧 根本不是樂透的料
02/28 10:41, 11F

02/28 10:41, 7小時前 , 12F
進步,被Peterson甚至boozer超越也不是沒可能
02/28 10:41, 12F

02/28 10:41, 7小時前 , 13F
沒啦 我純粹是玩一下BYU直升爵士而已
02/28 10:41, 13F

02/28 10:42, 7小時前 , 14F
大部分nba主力不都ncaa的天才 奇葩言論
02/28 10:42, 14F

02/28 10:42, 7小時前 , 15F
Peterson雖然身材較AJD劣勢,但我看他對自己的要求
02/28 10:42, 15F

02/28 10:42, 7小時前 , 16F
Demin是真的 不太優
02/28 10:42, 16F

02/28 10:42, 7小時前 , 17F
還有自律超強的
02/28 10:42, 17F

02/28 10:43, 7小時前 , 18F
今年選秀狀況:flagg | | harper | 其他
02/28 10:43, 18F

02/28 10:45, 7小時前 , 19F
will riley不知道會不會選 挺喜歡他
02/28 10:45, 19F

02/28 10:45, 7小時前 , 20F
我直到現在都沒很喜歡Bailey 但其他人掉更兇
02/28 10:45, 20F

02/28 10:45, 7小時前 , 21F
我自己(有私心)是覺得他有機會首輪末
02/28 10:45, 21F

02/28 10:45, 7小時前 , 22F
找機會的能力有隨著賽季進行變好
02/28 10:45, 22F

02/28 10:46, 7小時前 , 23F
bailey在大部分媒體榜單還在前三 代表大眾對這種類
02/28 10:46, 23F

02/28 10:46, 7小時前 , 24F
型還是很迷戀
02/28 10:46, 24F

02/28 10:46, 7小時前 , 25F
那我私心更重 我排18~24 lol
02/28 10:46, 25F

02/28 10:47, 7小時前 , 26F
現在我追蹤byu的比賽,都覺得學長Richie Saunders
02/28 10:47, 26F

02/28 10:48, 7小時前 , 27F
表現得還比Demin像個待選新秀.......
02/28 10:48, 27F

02/28 10:48, 7小時前 , 28F
畢竟開季太慘了XD 三分也都不太穩定 投的量也不大
02/28 10:48, 28F

02/28 10:49, 7小時前 , 29F
但考量他也是跳級生就 也沒辦法
02/28 10:49, 29F

02/28 10:50, 7小時前 , 30F
Demin就季中那波投籃大撞牆之後我就沒信心了
02/28 10:50, 30F
※ 編輯: EZ78 (104.176.138.216 美國), 02/28/2025 10:51:57

02/28 10:55, 7小時前 , 31F
"只會成為一個高運動能力的3-D後衛"
02/28 10:55, 31F

02/28 10:55, 7小時前 , 32F
就算只是這樣也對得起第四順位了吧
02/28 10:55, 32F

02/28 10:56, 7小時前 , 33F
就是個 大部分人期望還是那種未來核心
02/28 10:56, 33F

02/28 10:56, 7小時前 , 34F
普通強度的年份能出幾個明星
02/28 10:56, 34F

02/28 10:57, 7小時前 , 35F
VJ相較於季初也是愈打愈好了,感覺得到進步,我覺得
02/28 10:57, 35F

02/28 10:57, 7小時前 , 36F
但可能最終他就變成Okoro plus那種感覺
02/28 10:57, 36F

02/28 10:57, 7小時前 , 37F
即使這樣其實也沒愧對順位就是了
02/28 10:57, 37F

02/28 10:57, 7小時前 , 38F
最後也不是沒機會變探花,他就是控球待加強
02/28 10:57, 38F
還有 43 則推文
02/28 11:17, 7小時前 , 82F
覺得他與順位能力不符
02/28 11:17, 82F

02/28 11:18, 7小時前 , 83F
大部分的年份 #10~#14 至少會有一個射手位置
02/28 11:18, 83F

02/28 11:18, 7小時前 , 84F
但到這屆他可能就不是那種1X順位了
02/28 11:18, 84F

02/28 11:18, 7小時前 , 85F
大眾把潛力看太高了
02/28 11:18, 85F

02/28 11:19, 7小時前 , 86F
所以這屆 前10你擺3個可能是射手的我會覺得有點那個
02/28 11:19, 86F

02/28 11:19, 7小時前 , 87F
hollinger有統計平均一屆整個生涯貢獻高於可替代水
02/28 11:19, 87F

02/28 11:19, 7小時前 , 88F
準的大約20人而已
02/28 11:19, 88F

02/28 11:19, 7小時前 , 89F
Bane 年齡 和 TCU 小學校 多少影響了身價
02/28 11:19, 89F

02/28 11:19, 7小時前 , 90F
我覺得這屆本來就小年 多了Flagg+幾個跳級才沒那麼
02/28 11:19, 90F

02/28 11:20, 7小時前 , 91F
難看
02/28 11:20, 91F

02/28 11:21, 7小時前 , 92F
對 我主要是想幫bane平反而已
02/28 11:21, 92F

02/28 11:21, 7小時前 , 93F
flagg沒跳 那明年真的要歷史級大年
02/28 11:21, 93F

02/28 11:22, 7小時前 , 94F
可惜他跳了 stokes也沒意願跳
02/28 11:22, 94F

02/28 11:24, 7小時前 , 95F
Miikka Muurinen 不知道要不要跳 他2007的 可以跳
02/28 11:24, 95F

02/28 11:25, 7小時前 , 96F
歐洲人比較沒有跳級的問題吧我記得
02/28 11:25, 96F

02/28 11:26, 7小時前 , 97F
主要還是他們想不想早點來
02/28 11:26, 97F

02/28 11:26, 7小時前 , 98F
他在美國打球
02/28 11:26, 98F

02/28 11:27, 7小時前 , 99F
他在美國啊 AZ Compass Prep
02/28 11:27, 99F

02/28 11:27, 7小時前 , 100F
喔 居然 我看到歐洲名字我以為是青年隊的
02/28 11:27, 100F

02/28 11:27, 7小時前 , 101F
C/o 2026 No.4
02/28 11:27, 101F

02/28 11:27, 7小時前 , 102F
我關注基本上最多到高四那屆XD
02/28 11:27, 102F

02/28 11:28, 7小時前 , 103F
mccoy其實也07的 但沒很看好他
02/28 11:28, 103F

02/28 11:28, 7小時前 , 104F
芬蘭人
02/28 11:28, 104F

02/28 11:30, 7小時前 , 105F
NCAA最近要幹走一堆歐洲人 意大利U18要被挖走三隻了
02/28 11:30, 105F

02/28 11:30, 7小時前 , 106F
其中 7'3" 的 Luigi Suigo 是你家 illinois 的目標
02/28 11:30, 106F

02/28 11:31, 7小時前 , 107F
義大利不是有個確定要去Illinois了
02/28 11:31, 107F

02/28 11:31, 7小時前 , 108F
另一個剛探訪完 不過高機率也是會去
02/28 11:31, 108F

02/28 11:31, 7小時前 , 109F
前幾天剛拿意甲青年盃MVP
02/28 11:31, 109F

02/28 11:32, 7小時前 , 110F
其實先來ncaa也不錯 提早認知適不適合美國球風
02/28 11:32, 110F

02/28 11:32, 7小時前 , 111F
也不會浪費彼此時間
02/28 11:32, 111F

02/28 11:33, 7小時前 , 112F
現在NCAA半職業化之後歐洲人來過水的意願變高很多
02/28 11:33, 112F

02/28 11:33, 7小時前 , 113F
Illinois算是其中的佼佼者吧 我們已經沒那麼認真在
02/28 11:33, 113F

02/28 11:33, 7小時前 , 114F
挖美國國內的高潛力了 轉往海外+轉學生居多
02/28 11:33, 114F

02/28 11:35, 7小時前 , 115F
去年的國際新生死了一票 今年好一點
02/28 11:35, 115F

02/28 11:45, 6小時前 , 116F
能撿個Johni Broome 也不錯,感覺可以隨插即用
02/28 11:45, 116F

02/28 11:52, 6小時前 , 117F
Demin就是需要練,可能是這屆的福袋,就看被哪隊選
02/28 11:52, 117F

02/28 11:52, 6小時前 , 118F
走會差很多
02/28 11:52, 118F

02/28 12:11, 6小時前 , 119F
Michigan 壓哨絕殺 Rutgers
02/28 12:11, 119F

02/28 12:20, 6小時前 , 120F
哇喔,最後居然追上了嗎
02/28 12:20, 120F

02/28 12:48, 5小時前 , 121F
第一射手這個論點挺有趣的
02/28 12:48, 121F
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