[討論] Reddit兩年前熱議-槍西操控牌局

看板NBA (美國籃球)作者 (問這麼多幹麻)時間4小時前 (2025/10/23 21:36), 4小時前編輯推噓75(77275)
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https://reurl.cc/DOWNom Discussion starts at roughly 22:15 in this podcast from May 16. https://open.spotify.com/episode/7qXLHPnAUr9Lj9qAHOIqPF Can also be found here on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/live/G-TKR5ca5jI?feature=share&t=1635 For context this is a poker-focused podcast by Matthew Berkey (a well-known professional poker player for 20+ years who lives in Vegas) and his close friends with whom he runs a poker coaching company. Transcript in comments. 這是一檔以撲克為主題的Podcast,由 Matthew Berkey(一位居住在拉斯維加斯、擁有 20多年經驗的知名職業撲克玩家)和他的好友們主講,他們共同經營著一家撲克教練公司 文字記錄見評論。 Matt: There are a lot of stories about it. There's one that cropped up, must' ve been like 5 years ago, 2019ish I think? 4 years ago? Where there was this game, it started in LA and then it came to Vegas for a few days, and it was all built around Chauncey Billups. And I had heard about the game, and the person who told me about it was like "Look, I know the game runners, I am telling you 100% this game is on the up-and-up." And I was like "Well, I know a lot of the people that are involved and I am telling you 100% that it is NOT on the up-and-up." Matt: 關於這件事有很多故事。其中有一個,大概發生在五年前吧,我想是2019年?或者 四年前?有一場遊戲,先是在洛杉磯開始,然後來到拉斯維加斯待了幾天,整個遊戲都是 圍繞 Chauncey Billups 的。我有聽說過這場遊戲,而告訴我的那個人說:「你看,我認 識這場遊戲的主辦者,我百分之百保證這場遊戲是公平的。」我當時就說:「好吧,我認 識很多參與的人,我百分之百可以告訴你,這場遊戲一點都不公平。」 Matt: We kind of went back and forth and I agreed that I just wasn't going to go play. But I had some friends who went and played it both in LA and in Vegas , and it obviously was like, for sure confirmed to be cheated. Like people who clearly didn't even understand the rules of No Limit Hold'em are just jamming hundreds of big blinds with a gutty and then just drilling it.1 [laughs] Only the pros are losing... Matt: 我們來來回回討論了一下,我最後同意我就不去玩了。但我有一些朋友去玩了,不 管是在洛杉磯還是拉斯維加斯,結果很明顯,這場遊戲確實是作弊的。那些根本不懂 No Limit Hold'em 規則的人,就隨便用一手「gutty」推入上百個大盲注,然後就這樣贏了 。[笑] 只有專業玩家在輸…… Conrad: How was it figured out? Conrad: 那是怎麼被發現的? Matt: I can't remember if this was the game where... Matt: 我記不清這是不是那場賭局…… Conrad: The loudspeaker? No... that was Pierce [referring to a different cheating story involving Paul Pierce] Conrad: 用擴音器?不……那是 Pierce 的事 [指另一個涉及 Paul Pierce 的作弊事件] Matt: Oh, okay. Well it's still, it's not like Chauncey and Pierce don't know each other [laughs]. I feel like it's probably the same crowd overlapping there, but maybe not. Either way, it was basically confirmed amongst all the pros that the game was cheated but here's just no recourse. And just, you know , they got absolutely flayed. Matt: 喔,好吧。不過其實 Chauncey 和 Pierce 應該是認識的 [笑]。我覺得可能是同 一群人參與,或者也未必。不管怎麼說,所有專業玩家基本上都確認了這場遊戲是作弊的 ,但就是沒有辦法追究。而且,你知道的,他們完全被打得慘兮兮。 Conrad: Yeah, there's no recourse in a lot of these situations. Conrad: 對啊,在很多這種情況下是沒有追究辦法的。 Matt: Well it's tough too whenever you're dealing with someone high profile like that, because they carry a lot of weight and hold a lot of power, so all you can do is unite together and threaten to publicly out him or extort him in some sort of capacity, in which case... good luck. It's like, this guy beat rape charges. You think he cares about you calling him a cheater? Matt: 當你面對這種高知名度的人也很難,因為他們有很大的影響力和權力,所以你唯一 能做的就是聯合起來,威脅要公開揭發他,或者用某種方式敲詐他,但這種情況……祝你 好運吧。這個人都打贏了強姦案,你覺得他會在意你說他作弊嗎? Conrad: Yeah, I mean it's like... most people cheat and come prepared for a situation when it does happen. So you just can't really out them. When they're there, you don't want to call them out in public-- Conrad: 對,我是說……大部分人作弊時通常都已經有準備了。所以你真的很難揭發他們 。當他們在場的時候,你也不想當眾指責他們—— https://x.com/dhookstead/status/1981347049887973588 然後這位說 Chauncey Billups' arrest is tied to an alleged illegal poker scheme involving La Cosa Nostra crime families (the mafia) and "rigged shuffling machines," according to a source with direct knowledge. More arrests expected, though timeline unclear. I’m told Billups’ arrest is separate from Terry Rozier’s arrest, though there may be overlap. 據直接知情人士透露,昌西·比盧普斯的被捕與一樁涉嫌非法撲克陰謀有關,該陰謀涉及 黑手黨犯罪家族和「操縱洗牌機」。 預計會有更多人被捕,但具體時間尚不清楚。 我聽說比盧普斯被捕與特里羅齊爾被捕是分開的,儘管可能有重疊。 :OOOOOOOOO -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 220.129.201.90 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1761226562.A.7D6.html ※ 編輯: ZIDENS (220.129.201.90 臺灣), 10/23/2025 21:37:36

10/23 21:37, 4小時前 , 1F
運動員這麼愛打德州撲克喔
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更多人被捕 是指球員的話就刺激了
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哇靠 更嚴重了 越來越大條 笑死
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He is done
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NBA Toyz
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繼續轉移
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他打牌都作弊了 他籃球真的會那麼乾淨嗎?
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丁特的局
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10/23 21:40, 4小時前 , 9F
跟黑手黨勾結 非法詐賭 聽起來蠻嚴重的
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乾不乾淨不知道,但這內容就代表他跟開賭場的一夥。
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而且時間從兩年前開始的話,不知道坑了多少錢。
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10/23 21:42, 4小時前 , 12F
FBI逮捕31人
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等等 強姦案是怎麼回事 槍西還有著出版?
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10/23 21:43, 4小時前 , 14F
還有這齣嗎
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10/23 21:43, 4小時前 , 15F
有阿
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10/23 21:44, 4小時前 , 16F
那個反而更多人知道吧...
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10/23 21:45, 4小時前 , 17F
槍西性醜聞是在新人年 當時他根本不在活塞 更不用
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10/23 21:45, 4小時前 , 18F
說成為一線球星了
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10/23 21:45, 4小時前 , 19F
看來槍西這輩子就這樣了
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10/23 21:46, 4小時前 , 20F
1997年 阿拓聘任他的時候我記得還有被挖出來過
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10/23 21:47, 4小時前 , 21F
對阿,剛找他接阿拓教練的時候被挖出來鞭。
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跟黑道聯手詐賭也是很厲害表示關係很好
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10/23 21:48, 4小時前 , 23F
他其實是兩年前被爆料四年前做局
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槍西:開個二給他,讓他贏莊家一百元 (X
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所以時間線可能更長
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10/23 21:50, 4小時前 , 26F
小平叔玩橋牌都要靠他
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這貨是偷到FMVP才有退休背號
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NBA toyz
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等等 老皮又是什麼故事
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窩不知道
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神射手 特哥
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是球員就巴比哭了
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FBI LIVE開始 有畫面了
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真假 有這種東西
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我也想看
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聯合莊家嗎 NBA瓜哥 欸?
10/23 22:01, 36F

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FBI開直播了 刺激喔
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Damon Jones也被抓了 沒人發
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直播哪看啊
10/23 22:03, 39F
還有 75 則推文
10/23 22:34, 3小時前 , 115F
檢察官說four more nba player?
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Special Agent 帥
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他是說前NBA球員
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喔 former
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former
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詐賭
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名人堂操盤手?
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講完了 發問時間
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小時候以為只有海珊才會操縱牌局,沒想到中年可以
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看到槍西表演
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原來一開始爆的就是有名的 沒聽到認識的其他人
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悲哀,FMVP搞成這樣
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這個已經不是詐欺,他就是犯罪集團一份子了
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結果社會瓜反而乾乾淨淨的......
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不勝唏噓
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10/23 22:52, 3小時前 , 130F
瓜哥從小到大看的多了,反而知道很多東西不能碰。
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10/23 22:52, 3小時前 , 131F
所以真的別怪中職和球迷這麼敏感
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10/23 22:53, 3小時前 , 132F
真的這些籃球員去聽聽瓜哥進名人堂那段話...
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10/23 22:53, 3小時前 , 133F
社會瓜是混兄弟情的 這種下場搞錢他才不會做
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10/23 22:54, 3小時前 , 134F
德撲這種就是跟賭錢有掛勾的,自己在家玩一玩就得了
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10/23 22:55, 3小時前 , 135F
運動員想碰等退休大把時間讓你玩
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瓜哥談的是人脈,不是什麼地下收入
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10/23 22:55, 3小時前 , 137F
瓜哥自己賺就很多錢了 知道不能搞這些旁門左道賺
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10/23 22:58, 3小時前 , 138F
不是不能玩,是不能非法
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10/23 22:59, 3小時前 , 139F
西河都直接辦慈善撲克大賽了,吉巴上直播桌還bluff
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10/23 23:10, 3小時前 , 140F
NBA劉偉健
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10/23 23:14, 3小時前 , 141F
跟Toyz一樣菜雞啊 什麼技巧都不會 又穩穩贏
10/23 23:14, 141F

10/23 23:21, 3小時前 , 142F
但台灣就沒合法的啊
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10/23 23:22, 3小時前 , 143F
台灣不是有法院判例 錦標賽合法嗎
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10/23 23:28, 3小時前 , 144F
Berkey很強欸
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10/23 23:40, 2小時前 , 145F
在美國去非法賭場玩就是犯罪,像老巴跟喬神都是去
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合法賭場
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10/23 23:45, 2小時前 , 147F
美國賭場故事很多,拍成電影會比威漫宇宙更多
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NBA閻總?
10/23 23:55, 148F

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原來槍西是聯合非法賭場搞高科技詐賭
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10/23 23:59, 2小時前 , 150F
瓜哥不需要搞這個 瓜哥的guts沒這麼low
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10/24 00:15, 2小時前 , 151F
詐賭跟非法賭場哪個重?
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10/24 00:15, 2小時前 , 152F
他是非法賭場詐賭 不用分
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10/24 01:27, 1小時前 , 153F
槍西太扯了吧
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10/24 02:21, 8分鐘前 , 154F
好扯
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