[外絮] 前NFL球星: LBJ不討厭戒指文化 因為贏不了

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https://youtu.be/LOCH5Egv3Bw?&t=87
在podcast上,前NFL球星 Ryan Clark回應LeBron的戒指文化 完整逐字稿 LeBron James doesn't have a problem with ring culture. He has a problem with more rings culture. Because LeBron has curated his career around ring culture. Because if he didn't, LeBron James never goes to South Beach. He went to South Beach because he understood that as individually dominant as he was, he was nothing without those rings. And what's funny also too about LeBron is the fact that he's talking about the accumulation of something when that's the exact argument that all of his fans, all of the people that say he is the greatest, use. His accumulation of points over a certain amount of time, accumulation of assists, accumulation of rebounds. LeBron並不是對「戒指文化」有意見,他有意見的是「更多戒指」的文化。因為 LeBron 的職業生涯就是圍繞著「戒指文化」來打造的。如果不是這樣,他根本不會去熱火隊。 他去邁阿密,因為他知道,儘管他的個人能力再強,但沒有那些冠軍戒,他什麼也不是。 有趣的是,LeBron現在竟然在談論「累積」,而這正是他所有粉絲、所有說他是GOAT的人 ,最常拿來用的論點:他累積的得分、助攻、籃板等等 The reason he's pointing out the more rings culture is because he hasn't accumulated more rings than the person that he's chasing. And so if I can get out and debunk the fact that it's about how many rings you get as long as you have one, or if I can get out and debunk the fact that we're not having a conversation about how much you elevated your team in the most important moment, just about how good you were, right? Because when you bring up Barry Bonds, it's like, let's not think about whether or not he won a championship. Let's say he was the greatest ever, which all baseball players agree to, right? Like he brought up Dan Marino. Yeah, we know Dan Marino could spin it, but Dan Marino never lifted his team to a championship, so we speak about him differently than we talk about Tom Brady. 他會質疑「多戒指文化」,其實就是因為他的戒指比不過他心中那個對手。 所以,如果他能讓大家相信:只要有一枚冠軍戒指就夠了,重點不是拿了幾枚; 或者他能讓大家接受,我們根本不需要討論一個人在關鍵時刻怎麼帶起整支球隊, 而只看他個人打得有多強,這樣他就能掌握話語權,對吧? 因為你一講到 Barry Bonds,大家就會說,「先別管他有沒有拿過冠軍,反正他就是史上 最強」,而這也是所有棒球員都同意的說法,對吧? 再看他提到 Dan Marino,對啦,我們都知道 Marino 傳球超猛,但問題是他從來沒把球 隊帶上冠軍,所以我們在討論他時的語氣,就會跟討論 Tom Brady 的時候不太一樣。 And let's not forget that part of greatness is showing up in the most important moments. The most important moments are playoffs and championships. And that is the reason that you get to be, whether it's in the top five or a top three or a top two, or you get to be the GOAT, is because in the most important moment, as individually great as you were, you were that great or better when it counted most. 別忘了,偉大的一部分就是在最重要的時刻挺身而出。最重要的時刻就是季後賽和總冠軍 賽。只有在這種時候,你還能打得跟平常一樣好、甚至更好,你才有資格被放進 top5 、top3、top2甚至GOAT的討論中。 And so LeBron James is extremely intelligent. He knows that if now he comes out and says, hey, it's not about how many rings you accumulate, it's about how you played individually. Now, all of his fans, his people that say he's the GOAT can point to those numbers as long as you don't point to the amount of rings that somebody won because that's the conversation or argument that he can't win. LeBron 非常聰明。他知道如果他現在跳出來說:「嘿,這不是關於你累積了多少戒指, 而是關於你個人表現如何。」那麼,他所有的粉絲、所有說他是GOAT的球迷,就可 以指向那些個人數據,只要沒人再提起「誰拿過幾枚冠軍戒指」,因為那是LeBron無法贏 的辯論。 And I think for him, right, for him, it's hypocritical because you shaped your career early on around winning championships because you knew championships could make you the GOAT. You even said, when I came back 3-1 against the Warriors, that made me the GOAT because I won that championship. Now, all of a sudden, because maybe there's a fear where you won't win another one, championships or amount of championships don't matter. 我認為對他來說,這就是雙標。因為你早在職業生涯初期就圍繞著贏得總冠軍來塑造你的 事業,因為你知道總冠軍可以讓你成為GOAT 你甚至自己講過:「當我 3–1逆轉勇士,那才是我成為 GOAT的時刻。」 現在,突然之間,是不是因為你也擔心再也拿不到一枚戒指, 所以冠軍數量或冠軍本身就不重要了 備註 還好是在NFL 不然會被皇上... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.248.217.224 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1750417712.A.BE2.html ※ 編輯: usnavyseal (111.248.217.224 臺灣), 06/20/2025 19:10:07 ※ 編輯: usnavyseal (111.248.217.224 臺灣), 06/20/2025 19:10:44

06/20 19:10, 3周前 , 1F
為什麼這麼執著於歷史定位
06/20 19:10, 1F

06/20 19:11, 3周前 , 2F
追殺名單+1
06/20 19:11, 2F

06/20 19:12, 3周前 , 3F
太直接了
06/20 19:12, 3F

06/20 19:13, 3周前 , 4F
太精闢了...
06/20 19:13, 4F

06/20 19:13, 3周前 , 5F
這是那個之前要跟LBJ打MMA的嗎
06/20 19:13, 5F

06/20 19:13, 3周前 , 6F
這已經是喇叭沾之心 路人皆知 的程度了XD
06/20 19:13, 6F

06/20 19:14, 3周前 , 7F
只有姆斯還自以為聰明在那邊算計以為大家都看不出來
06/20 19:14, 7F

06/20 19:14, 3周前 , 8F
第一段直接總結了御用團隊的整個計畫
06/20 19:14, 8F

06/20 19:15, 3周前 , 9F
全世界都知道老沾就想捧自己而已,一句話!!噁心!!!
06/20 19:15, 9F

06/20 19:15, 3周前 , 10F
戒指數加權要降低 這樣就是GOAT了
06/20 19:15, 10F

06/20 19:15, 3周前 , 11F
Bonds舉例好像不是所有人唷
06/20 19:15, 11F

06/20 19:15, 3周前 , 12F
羌擊要犯+1
06/20 19:15, 12F

06/20 19:15, 3周前 , 13F
瞎說什麼大實話
06/20 19:15, 13F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 14F
中肯 精闢
06/20 19:16, 14F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 15F
太粗暴了 根本把老詹的心機都攤在陽光下
06/20 19:16, 15F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 16F
你怎麼以為打NFL就不會被追殺
06/20 19:16, 16F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 17F
為啥美國一堆其他職業球星也是和PTT詹酸一樣言論
06/20 19:16, 17F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 18F
姆斯就雙標仔啊 嘻嘻
06/20 19:16, 18F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 19F
靠客製化數據加現役加權 把名聲衝上歷史第二
06/20 19:16, 19F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 20F
之前姆斯濫用自身影響力追殺無辜平民少年
06/20 19:16, 20F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 21F
美國姆咪可是照三餐出征欸
06/20 19:16, 21F

06/20 19:16, 3周前 , 22F
拿棒球來舉例真的是急了
06/20 19:16, 22F

06/20 19:18, 3周前 , 23F
真的分析的蠻透徹的
06/20 19:18, 23F

06/20 19:18, 3周前 , 24F
別人的冠軍加權要降低 但是最純粹的籃球形式要調高
06/20 19:18, 24F

06/20 19:19, 3周前 , 25F
姆斯早被看透了
06/20 19:19, 25F

06/20 19:19, 3周前 , 26F
說到底LeBron很明顯有意帶起和操作GOAT的議題是不
06/20 19:19, 26F

06/20 19:19, 3周前 , 27F
可惜他舉例Bonds了 不然這篇可以滿分
06/20 19:19, 27F

06/20 19:19, 3周前 , 28F
笑死
06/20 19:19, 28F

06/20 19:19, 3周前 , 29F
爭的事實
06/20 19:19, 29F

06/20 19:19, 3周前 , 30F
主要是姆斯自己沒資格講這話題 自己就抱腿求冠王
06/20 19:19, 30F

06/20 19:19, 3周前 , 31F
大膽!
06/20 19:19, 31F

06/20 19:20, 3周前 , 32F
說什麼大實話呢!這樣會被追殺的。
06/20 19:20, 32F

06/20 19:21, 3周前 , 33F
精闢給推
06/20 19:21, 33F

06/20 19:21, 3周前 , 34F
True
06/20 19:21, 34F

06/20 19:22, 3周前 , 35F
一直打臉一直爽
06/20 19:22, 35F

06/20 19:22, 3周前 , 36F
真的是原形畢露
06/20 19:22, 36F

06/20 19:22, 3周前 , 37F
從底細菌萬抱腿那刻起他就跟GOAT無關了
06/20 19:22, 37F

06/20 19:23, 3周前 , 38F
沾酸突然多一位神了
06/20 19:23, 38F

06/20 19:23, 3周前 , 39F
大部分人都知道羌哥的意圖,但反正他本人就是臉皮
06/20 19:23, 39F
還有 854 則推文
還有 1 段內文
06/21 16:25, 3周前 , 894F
真的超中肯...非常有道理!!
06/21 16:25, 894F

06/21 16:34, 3周前 , 895F
中肯
06/21 16:34, 895F

06/21 16:35, 3周前 , 896F
你知道的太多了 追殺名單+1
06/21 16:35, 896F

06/21 17:07, 3周前 , 897F
數量當然不重要,不然你想詹迷會覺得Horry比LBJ更偉
06/21 17:07, 897F

06/21 17:07, 3周前 , 898F
大嗎?
06/21 17:07, 898F

06/21 17:16, 3周前 , 899F
真的是心理分析師等級的
06/21 17:16, 899F

06/21 17:26, 3周前 , 900F
只有姆咪裝睡叫不醒還裝夢遊跟大家吵架
06/21 17:26, 900F

06/21 17:27, 3周前 , 901F
真正的超巨,就是對得起這項運動,每年把自己準備好
06/21 17:27, 901F

06/21 17:28, 3周前 , 902F
每年努力爭冠,讓別人跟後世來評價,作為不爭之爭
06/21 17:28, 902F

06/21 17:28, 3周前 , 903F
姆斯努力搞陣容、換教練,換球隊,已經比那些待在母
06/21 17:28, 903F

06/21 17:29, 3周前 , 904F
隊,陪在母隊高低起伏的超巨,省下很多培養時間了
06/21 17:29, 904F

06/21 17:30, 3周前 , 905F
加上你長年待在弱區,在整個生涯的奪冠進程上,具有
06/21 17:30, 905F

06/21 17:31, 3周前 , 906F
絕對優勢。偏偏強度跟統治力不足,還要自己敲鑼打鼓
06/21 17:31, 906F

06/21 17:31, 3周前 , 907F
來創造歷史地位的話題。
06/21 17:31, 907F

06/21 19:49, 3周前 , 908F
大Z沒辦法帶LBJ進季後賽還要加上Huges 可見姆殼之重
06/21 19:49, 908F

06/21 21:54, 3周前 , 909F
以後的孩子一定會對姆斯不熟啊 但一定知道Jordan
06/21 21:54, 909F

06/21 22:07, 3周前 , 910F
對..LBJ就只會贏縮水賽季..
06/21 22:07, 910F

06/21 22:39, 3周前 , 911F
不知道在講啥 姆斯明明也在替艾佛森那些打抱不平
06/21 22:39, 911F

06/21 22:39, 3周前 , 912F
姆斯都4冠了還說贏不了XD
06/21 22:39, 912F

06/21 22:59, 3周前 , 913F
巔峰組到老,贏少輸多而已
06/21 22:59, 913F

06/21 23:15, 3周前 , 914F
姆斯就硬要碰喬丹山羊的位子才搬這套歪理出來啊
06/21 23:15, 914F

06/21 23:37, 3周前 , 915F
這麼直接要羌迷如何護駕
06/21 23:37, 915F

06/22 00:11, 3周前 , 916F
門面球員不比戒指要比啥 比誰懶覺比較大嗎
06/22 00:11, 916F

06/22 00:12, 3周前 , 917F
給你洗到>TD就要偷笑了 生涯被人家虐幾次了
06/22 00:12, 917F

06/22 00:33, 3周前 , 918F
這麼粗暴大可不必,尊重很難嗎?咩咩
06/22 00:33, 918F

06/22 01:36, 3周前 , 919F
母斯的歷史地位真的越來越低…
06/22 01:36, 919F

06/22 07:32, 3周前 , 920F
很中肯 哈哈
06/22 07:32, 920F

06/22 07:32, 3周前 , 921F
就因為戒指比不上,LBJ狂刷一些邊角的數據、紀錄
06/22 07:32, 921F

06/22 07:40, 3周前 , 922F
我覺得姆斯自己弄個潮牌打敗Air Jordan機會還比較大
06/22 07:40, 922F

06/22 07:40, 3周前 , 923F
雖然難度非常高
06/22 07:40, 923F

06/22 07:42, 3周前 , 924F
姆斯也可以換個套路去執教 執教也是有冠的 嘿嘿
06/22 07:42, 924F

06/22 07:49, 3周前 , 925F
而且教練可以當到七八十歲 姆斯還可以繼續洗紀錄
06/22 07:49, 925F

06/22 10:58, 2周前 , 926F
說的太好了
06/22 10:58, 926F

06/22 13:02, 2周前 , 927F
姆斯打球並不好看,球鞋也不好看,是要怎麼在品牌上
06/22 13:02, 927F

06/22 13:02, 2周前 , 928F
打敗AJ?
06/22 13:02, 928F

06/22 13:18, 2周前 , 929F
拜託盜帳號集團別再拿horry救援了 只會讓姆斯更可笑
06/22 13:18, 929F

06/22 19:02, 2周前 , 930F
奈許聽母獅講戒指文化那段的表情,經典啊
06/22 19:02, 930F

06/23 02:33, 2周前 , 931F
又蹭..
06/23 02:33, 931F

06/23 08:24, 2周前 , 932F
想當羊錯了嗎XD
06/23 08:24, 932F

06/23 16:41, 2周前 , 933F
全世界都知道
06/23 16:41, 933F
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