[外絮] 前NFL球星: LBJ不討厭戒指文化 因為贏不了

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https://youtu.be/LOCH5Egv3Bw?&t=87
在podcast上,前NFL球星 Ryan Clark回應LeBron的戒指文化 完整逐字稿 LeBron James doesn't have a problem with ring culture. He has a problem with more rings culture. Because LeBron has curated his career around ring culture. Because if he didn't, LeBron James never goes to South Beach. He went to South Beach because he understood that as individually dominant as he was, he was nothing without those rings. And what's funny also too about LeBron is the fact that he's talking about the accumulation of something when that's the exact argument that all of his fans, all of the people that say he is the greatest, use. His accumulation of points over a certain amount of time, accumulation of assists, accumulation of rebounds. LeBron並不是對「戒指文化」有意見,他有意見的是「更多戒指」的文化。因為 LeBron 的職業生涯就是圍繞著「戒指文化」來打造的。如果不是這樣,他根本不會去熱火隊。 他去邁阿密,因為他知道,儘管他的個人能力再強,但沒有那些冠軍戒,他什麼也不是。 有趣的是,LeBron現在竟然在談論「累積」,而這正是他所有粉絲、所有說他是GOAT的人 ,最常拿來用的論點:他累積的得分、助攻、籃板等等 The reason he's pointing out the more rings culture is because he hasn't accumulated more rings than the person that he's chasing. And so if I can get out and debunk the fact that it's about how many rings you get as long as you have one, or if I can get out and debunk the fact that we're not having a conversation about how much you elevated your team in the most important moment, just about how good you were, right? Because when you bring up Barry Bonds, it's like, let's not think about whether or not he won a championship. Let's say he was the greatest ever, which all baseball players agree to, right? Like he brought up Dan Marino. Yeah, we know Dan Marino could spin it, but Dan Marino never lifted his team to a championship, so we speak about him differently than we talk about Tom Brady. 他會質疑「多戒指文化」,其實就是因為他的戒指比不過他心中那個對手。 所以,如果他能讓大家相信:只要有一枚冠軍戒指就夠了,重點不是拿了幾枚; 或者他能讓大家接受,我們根本不需要討論一個人在關鍵時刻怎麼帶起整支球隊, 而只看他個人打得有多強,這樣他就能掌握話語權,對吧? 因為你一講到 Barry Bonds,大家就會說,「先別管他有沒有拿過冠軍,反正他就是史上 最強」,而這也是所有棒球員都同意的說法,對吧? 再看他提到 Dan Marino,對啦,我們都知道 Marino 傳球超猛,但問題是他從來沒把球 隊帶上冠軍,所以我們在討論他時的語氣,就會跟討論 Tom Brady 的時候不太一樣。 And let's not forget that part of greatness is showing up in the most important moments. The most important moments are playoffs and championships. And that is the reason that you get to be, whether it's in the top five or a top three or a top two, or you get to be the GOAT, is because in the most important moment, as individually great as you were, you were that great or better when it counted most. 別忘了,偉大的一部分就是在最重要的時刻挺身而出。最重要的時刻就是季後賽和總冠軍 賽。只有在這種時候,你還能打得跟平常一樣好、甚至更好,你才有資格被放進 top5 、top3、top2甚至GOAT的討論中。 And so LeBron James is extremely intelligent. He knows that if now he comes out and says, hey, it's not about how many rings you accumulate, it's about how you played individually. Now, all of his fans, his people that say he's the GOAT can point to those numbers as long as you don't point to the amount of rings that somebody won because that's the conversation or argument that he can't win. LeBron 非常聰明。他知道如果他現在跳出來說:「嘿,這不是關於你累積了多少戒指, 而是關於你個人表現如何。」那麼,他所有的粉絲、所有說他是GOAT的球迷,就可 以指向那些個人數據,只要沒人再提起「誰拿過幾枚冠軍戒指」,因為那是LeBron無法贏 的辯論。 And I think for him, right, for him, it's hypocritical because you shaped your career early on around winning championships because you knew championships could make you the GOAT. You even said, when I came back 3-1 against the Warriors, that made me the GOAT because I won that championship. Now, all of a sudden, because maybe there's a fear where you won't win another one, championships or amount of championships don't matter. 我認為對他來說,這就是雙標。因為你早在職業生涯初期就圍繞著贏得總冠軍來塑造你的 事業,因為你知道總冠軍可以讓你成為GOAT 你甚至自己講過:「當我 3–1逆轉勇士,那才是我成為 GOAT的時刻。」 現在,突然之間,是不是因為你也擔心再也拿不到一枚戒指, 所以冠軍數量或冠軍本身就不重要了 備註 還好是在NFL 不然會被皇上... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.248.217.224 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1750417712.A.BE2.html ※ 編輯: usnavyseal (111.248.217.224 臺灣), 06/20/2025 19:10:07 ※ 編輯: usnavyseal (111.248.217.224 臺灣), 06/20/2025 19:10:44

06/20 19:10, 4小時前 , 1F
為什麼這麼執著於歷史定位
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06/20 19:11, 4小時前 , 2F
追殺名單+1
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06/20 19:12, 4小時前 , 3F
太直接了
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06/20 19:13, 4小時前 , 4F
太精闢了...
06/20 19:13, 4F

06/20 19:13, 4小時前 , 5F
這是那個之前要跟LBJ打MMA的嗎
06/20 19:13, 5F

06/20 19:13, 4小時前 , 6F
這已經是喇叭沾之心 路人皆知 的程度了XD
06/20 19:13, 6F

06/20 19:14, 4小時前 , 7F
只有姆斯還自以為聰明在那邊算計以為大家都看不出來
06/20 19:14, 7F

06/20 19:14, 4小時前 , 8F
第一段直接總結了御用團隊的整個計畫
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06/20 19:15, 4小時前 , 9F
全世界都知道老沾就想捧自己而已,一句話!!噁心!!!
06/20 19:15, 9F

06/20 19:15, 4小時前 , 10F
戒指數加權要降低 這樣就是GOAT了
06/20 19:15, 10F

06/20 19:15, 4小時前 , 11F
Bonds舉例好像不是所有人唷
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06/20 19:15, 4小時前 , 12F
羌擊要犯+1
06/20 19:15, 12F

06/20 19:15, 4小時前 , 13F
瞎說什麼大實話
06/20 19:15, 13F

06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 14F
中肯 精闢
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06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 15F
太粗暴了 根本把老詹的心機都攤在陽光下
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06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 16F
你怎麼以為打NFL就不會被追殺
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06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 17F
為啥美國一堆其他職業球星也是和PTT詹酸一樣言論
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06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 18F
姆斯就雙標仔啊 嘻嘻
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06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 19F
靠客製化數據加現役加權 把名聲衝上歷史第二
06/20 19:16, 19F

06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 20F
之前姆斯濫用自身影響力追殺無辜平民少年
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06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 21F
美國姆咪可是照三餐出征欸
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06/20 19:16, 4小時前 , 22F
拿棒球來舉例真的是急了
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06/20 19:18, 4小時前 , 23F
真的分析的蠻透徹的
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06/20 19:18, 4小時前 , 24F
別人的冠軍加權要降低 但是最純粹的籃球形式要調高
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06/20 19:19, 4小時前 , 25F
姆斯早被看透了
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06/20 19:19, 4小時前 , 26F
說到底LeBron很明顯有意帶起和操作GOAT的議題是不
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06/20 19:19, 4小時前 , 27F
可惜他舉例Bonds了 不然這篇可以滿分
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06/20 19:19, 4小時前 , 28F
笑死
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06/20 19:19, 4小時前 , 29F
爭的事實
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06/20 19:19, 4小時前 , 30F
主要是姆斯自己沒資格講這話題 自己就抱腿求冠王
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06/20 19:19, 4小時前 , 31F
大膽!
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06/20 19:20, 4小時前 , 32F
說什麼大實話呢!這樣會被追殺的。
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06/20 19:21, 4小時前 , 33F
精闢給推
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06/20 19:21, 4小時前 , 34F
True
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06/20 19:22, 4小時前 , 35F
一直打臉一直爽
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06/20 19:22, 4小時前 , 36F
真的是原形畢露
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06/20 19:22, 4小時前 , 37F
從底細菌萬抱腿那刻起他就跟GOAT無關了
06/20 19:22, 37F

06/20 19:23, 4小時前 , 38F
沾酸突然多一位神了
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06/20 19:23, 4小時前 , 39F
大部分人都知道羌哥的意圖,但反正他本人就是臉皮
06/20 19:23, 39F
還有 484 則推文
還有 1 段內文
06/20 22:47, 47分鐘前 , 524F
詹黑:不管啦 反正就是排第20
06/20 22:47, 524F

06/20 22:48, 46分鐘前 , 525F
看投票咖哩還前10勒 就不知道某些人同不同意了
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06/20 22:48, 46分鐘前 , 526F
成就連賈霸都追不上 操作出來的坐二望一很驕傲??
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06/20 22:49, 45分鐘前 , 527F
MJ賈霸屌打姆斯 坐二望一個屁
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06/20 22:49, 45分鐘前 , 528F
Kobe五冠三連霸 姆斯就是個打的比較久的刷子
06/20 22:49, 528F

06/20 22:50, 44分鐘前 , 529F
中肯啦
06/20 22:50, 529F

06/20 22:50, 44分鐘前 , 530F
姆斯離二還很遠 在他前面還有賈霸跟Kobe
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06/20 22:50, 44分鐘前 , 531F
講這麼多, 你有詹迷懂籃球嗎
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06/20 22:51, 43分鐘前 , 532F
MJ賈霸魔術俠客Kobe鄧肯都是屌打姆斯的...
06/20 22:51, 532F

06/20 22:51, 43分鐘前 , 533F
刷久了真以為累積出來的4萬分可以抵過冠軍成就喔
06/20 22:51, 533F

06/20 22:51, 43分鐘前 , 534F
所以姆咪看了那些投票認同KOBE超越魔術大鳥賈霸?
06/20 22:51, 534F

06/20 22:51, 43分鐘前 , 535F
去多拿幾個冠軍才有資格上桌好嗎
06/20 22:51, 535F

06/20 22:52, 42分鐘前 , 536F
前幾天不是才在貶低KOBE?
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06/20 22:52, 42分鐘前 , 537F
如果姆咪不認同KOBE第3 那吹姆斯第2的邏輯在哪?
06/20 22:52, 537F

06/20 22:54, 40分鐘前 , 538F
說第二那個經常刷姆斯是GOAT推文,怎第二都接受
06/20 22:54, 538F

06/20 22:54, 40分鐘前 , 539F
第二就不是GOAT了吧,打臉自己?
06/20 22:54, 539F

06/20 22:56, 38分鐘前 , 540F
看來正常人都看得出來,姆斯常常幻覺自己是GOAT吧
06/20 22:56, 540F

06/20 22:56, 38分鐘前 , 541F
賈霸那關都不見得過得了了 還在那邊第二什麼...
06/20 22:56, 541F

06/20 22:57, 37分鐘前 , 542F
至少從2013年就出現幻覺了 算算也有12年了
06/20 22:57, 542F

06/20 23:00, 34分鐘前 , 543F
投票能排到第二是吃了現役跟媒體鼓吹的優勢
06/20 23:00, 543F

06/20 23:00, 34分鐘前 , 544F
等到退休就會開始校正回歸了
06/20 23:00, 544F

06/20 23:01, 33分鐘前 , 545F
那投票還有個問題是選項扣掉MJ的話,那些MJ票不一定
06/20 23:01, 545F

06/20 23:01, 33分鐘前 , 546F
是按照目前比例給後面順位的
06/20 23:01, 546F

06/20 23:03, 31分鐘前 , 547F
難說喔 新世代不少人已經被媒體洗到信以為真了
06/20 23:03, 547F

06/20 23:03, 31分鐘前 , 548F
這不是姆斯是第二的憑據,這只是媒體吹了二十年還
06/20 23:03, 548F

06/20 23:04, 30分鐘前 , 549F
吹不贏喬丹的證據而已
06/20 23:04, 549F

06/20 23:04, 30分鐘前 , 550F
偽君子界的垢特,這點應該沒人有意見吧?
06/20 23:04, 550F

06/20 23:04, 30分鐘前 , 551F
所以扣掉MJ後,LBJ得票比例可能更高,也可能更低
06/20 23:04, 551F

06/20 23:04, 30分鐘前 , 552F
戒指最重要所以Horry大於MJ
06/20 23:04, 552F

06/20 23:04, 30分鐘前 , 553F
好了啦XDD 又要扯HORRY
06/20 23:04, 553F

06/20 23:05, 29分鐘前 , 554F
粗暴
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06/20 23:06, 28分鐘前 , 555F
嘴硬瞎吹的羌咪乖乖的向MJ認輸了,改口成有第二也
06/20 23:06, 555F

06/20 23:07, 27分鐘前 , 556F
很棒,再管訓個幾次就又會改口坐三望二了
06/20 23:07, 556F

06/20 23:07, 27分鐘前 , 557F
姆斯連老大都沒穩贏 更是被TD壓在地上
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06/20 23:07, 27分鐘前 , 558F
確實
06/20 23:07, 558F

06/20 23:08, 26分鐘前 , 559F
以後會有越來越多名人名宿出來戳破姆斯的虛假形象
06/20 23:08, 559F

06/20 23:08, 26分鐘前 , 560F
到時變成坐6望5還差不多
06/20 23:08, 560F

06/20 23:09, 25分鐘前 , 561F
自己的世代都贏不了 到底有甚麼臉挑戰其它世代的王
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06/20 23:09, 25分鐘前 , 562F
對戰直接被TD統治,冠軍還矮人一截,硬吹真的糗
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06/20 23:09, 25分鐘前 , 563F
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