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[花邊] Shaq:04年的我們並不團結

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On the "Straight Game" podcast, Shaq reflected on what went wrong that season. "You know you have to be together to win a championship," he said. "That was the year. I'll let you figure out what that means. But that was the year when a lot of stuff was going on, and we weren't really together. So he [Kobe Bryant] did the right thing, when we lost, he said, 'Hey, we have to get rid of Shaq. Or I'm not coming back.' So they chose a younger guy, and then I was traded a couple of days later." While much has been said about that season, the inside details have always been murky. Years later, Phil Jackson wrote in his book "The Last Season" about Kobe's relentless desire to take over, often breaking away from the system to play hero-ball, which disrupted team chemistry. That dysfunction, more than anything, doomed the Lakers. 在《Straight Game》Podcast節目上，Shaq回顧了那一季出了什麼問題。 「你知道要贏得總冠軍大家必須團結一致，但那一年，我就讓你自己去理解這句話的意思 。那年發生了很多事情，我們其實並不團結所以當我們輸球後，他做了他認為正確的決定 ，他說：『嘿，我們必須把Shaq送走，不然我就不回來了。』所以他們選擇了一個更年輕 的傢伙，然後幾天後我就被交易了。」 雖然關於那個賽季的討論很多，但內部細節始終模糊不清。多年後Phil Jackson在他的書 《The Last Season》中寫道，Kobe不斷渴望接管球隊經常脫離體系去打英雄球，破壞了球 隊的化學反應，這種內部失衡勝過其他任何因素，最終註定了湖人的失敗。 "And if you look up at our relationship, it's the classic tale of The Godfather," he said. "You got the Godfather that came from Orlando, and he's the Godfather. But you have a young capo. And finally [shows gun signals with his hands]. He's Michael [Corleone], I'm the Godfather, 'cuz remember when I came to L.A., I was already established." "I was the biggest thing in the league. So he's there and he f—in' wants it. We win three, we do a lot of deals, and then finally I get assassinated. They thought I was dead, and I relocated to Miami, and then I got to get it back. It's business," he added. Kobe's obsession with stepping into Michael Jordan's shoes ultimately hurt the Lakers. Shaq, admittedly more laid-back at the time, was still dominant and productive. As long as he remained the number one option, he didn't see an issue. Blame can be placed on both sides, but many believe Bryant's determination to prove himself was the decisive factor. The bitter truth is that if the two superstars had found a way to coexist, the Lakers might have won several more championships together. 「如果你回顧我們的關係那就像《教父》中的經典故事，你有一個從奧蘭多來的教父，但 你也有個年輕的幹部，最後──（他用手比出開槍的手勢），他是Michael Corleone而我 是教父，別忘了當我來到洛杉磯時我就已經是個家喻戶曉的大人物了。」 「當時我是整個聯盟最具統治力的存在，他媽的他非常想要得到它。我們聯手拿了三個冠 軍完成無數輝煌成就，然後我就被暗殺了。他們以為我完了，但我搬到邁阿密然後我要重 新奪回一切，這就是生意。」 Kobe想要接班Michael Jordan的執念最終傷害了湖人，當時仍保持巔峰統治力的Shaq則態 度更為隨性，只要他仍是球隊的第一選擇便認為無需改變。 責任雙方都有但許多人認為Kobe渴望證明自己的決心才是關鍵性的因素，殘酷的事實是如 果這兩位超級巨星能找到共存之道，湖人或許能再贏下好幾座總冠軍。 來源:https://reurl.cc/kokjL3 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.231.116.209 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1756905944.A.A26.html
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09/03 21:26, 6小時前 , 1F
活塞就是比較強
09/03 21:26, 1F
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09/03 21:28, 6小時前 , 2F
活塞 肌肉籃球??
09/03 21:28, 2F
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09/03 21:30, 6小時前 , 3F
歐肥如果能4連霸4連FMVP
09/03 21:30, 3F
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09/03 21:31, 5小時前 , 4F
就敗球仔Kobe在那邊敗球啊 不過你歐肥後來狀況那麼
09/03 21:31, 4F
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09/03 21:31, 5小時前 , 5F
歷史地位至少保底前4了
09/03 21:31, 5F
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09/03 21:31, 5小時前 , 6F
差又爆肥 想拿好幾個冠軍也是做夢
09/03 21:31, 6F
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09/03 21:34, 5小時前 , 7F
胖子就沒那個自制力 有的話會被賣？
09/03 21:34, 7F
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09/03 21:34, 5小時前 , 8F
那年輸的主因是馬龍倒下，什麼kobe獨都是shaq跟phil
09/03 21:34, 8F
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09/03 21:34, 5小時前 , 9F
甩鍋而已，過幾年phil還不是回去執教了他口中uncoac
09/03 21:34, 9F
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09/03 21:34, 5小時前 , 10F
記得3連霸3連FMVP只有喬丹 歐肥達成過？
09/03 21:34, 10F
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09/03 21:34, 5小時前 , 11F
hable的kobe
09/03 21:34, 11F
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09/03 21:35, 5小時前 , 12F
歐肥那幾年態度也很爛吧...
09/03 21:35, 12F
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09/03 21:35, 5小時前 , 13F
還能打到冠軍賽不簡單
09/03 21:35, 13F
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09/03 21:35, 5小時前 , 14F
明明就是04年替補根本上不了
09/03 21:35, 14F
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09/03 21:35, 5小時前 , 15F
還是古早時代還有誰？
09/03 21:35, 15F
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09/03 21:36, 5小時前 , 16F
我也覺得馬龍傷退影響最大 再怎樣都打到冠軍賽了
09/03 21:36, 16F
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09/03 21:36, 5小時前 , 17F
休賽季休息，開季才去開刀養傷的是誰，shaq是以為大
09/03 21:36, 17F
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09/03 21:36, 5小時前 , 18F
家忘了？
09/03 21:36, 18F
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09/03 21:36, 5小時前 , 19F
其實是馬刺斷掉湖人連霸，不是活塞
09/03 21:36, 19F
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09/03 21:38, 5小時前 , 20F
少了郵差兩人的矛盾直接在場上爆發吧
09/03 21:38, 20F
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09/03 21:38, 5小時前 , 21F
記得西區馬龍連扛姚明、TD跟KG
09/03 21:38, 21F
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09/03 21:39, 5小時前 , 22F
雖然我不喜歡馬龍 但我印象當年也是靠馬龍撐到總決
09/03 21:39, 22F
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09/03 21:39, 5小時前 , 23F
沒郵差扛可能TD和KG都過不了
09/03 21:39, 23F
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09/03 21:39, 5小時前 , 24F
俠客如果四連FMVP將會一舉超越喬丹
09/03 21:39, 24F
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09/03 21:40, 5小時前 , 25F
老馬龍能過KD跟TD真的鬼神
09/03 21:40, 25F
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09/03 21:40, 5小時前 , 26F
KG
09/03 21:40, 26F
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09/03 21:41, 5小時前 , 27F
馬刺照理說可是比去年更強呢！
09/03 21:41, 27F
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09/03 21:41, 5小時前 , 28F
那時光歐布就薪資爆炸，fox又嚴重退化
09/03 21:41, 28F
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09/03 21:41, 5小時前 , 29F
為什麼是馬刺 我印象西冠老馬受傷 對手是灰狼啊？
09/03 21:41, 29F
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09/03 21:42, 5小時前 , 30F
Shaq有提自己體態不自律 季前開刀例行賽養傷嗎？
09/03 21:42, 30F
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09/03 21:43, 5小時前 , 31F
馬龍傷退影響比較大吧
09/03 21:43, 31F
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09/03 21:43, 5小時前 , 32F
槍西：我們防守策略很簡單 不讓Kobe拿到球 讓歐肥
09/03 21:43, 32F
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09/03 21:43, 5小時前 , 33F
一直打 看到歐肥一直得分Kobe就會很不爽
09/03 21:43, 33F
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09/03 21:43, 5小時前 , 34F
遇到事情就說我們 按慣例是要被噴爆的
09/03 21:43, 34F
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09/03 21:44, 5小時前 , 35F
03馬刺:…hello?
09/03 21:44, 35F
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09/03 21:44, 5小時前 , 36F
球隊老大那麼懶惰 是我也想當老大啦
09/03 21:44, 36F
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09/03 21:49, 5小時前 , 37F
03TD表示：哈嘍？
09/03 21:49, 37F
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09/03 21:49, 5小時前 , 38F
那年真的是老馬龍在季後賽力扛姚明TD跟KG
09/03 21:49, 38F
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09/03 21:50, 5小時前 , 39F
也是啦 那時好像就已經不爽Kobe了
09/03 21:50, 39F
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09/03 21:51, 5小時前 , 40F
湖人三連霸前後年冠軍都是馬刺
09/03 21:51, 40F
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09/03 22:06, 5小時前 , 41F
不對，當他們輸給活塞就註定要拆了，贏球治百病
09/03 22:06, 41F
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09/03 22:14, 5小時前 , 42F
老大賽季中狂出庭
09/03 22:14, 42F
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09/03 22:18, 5小時前 , 43F
真正的搶FMVP
09/03 22:18, 43F
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09/03 22:19, 5小時前 , 44F
活塞吹上天的鐵桶陣防守還比不上一個KOBE
09/03 22:19, 44F
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09/03 22:20, 5小時前 , 45F
Kobe 想要接管球隊起因是歐尼爾02-03開季開刀不敬業
09/03 22:20, 45F
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09/03 22:20, 5小時前 , 46F
吧，跟04有啥關係，想甩鍋喔
09/03 22:20, 46F
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09/03 22:23, 5小時前 , 47F
去KOBE墳前說啦
09/03 22:23, 47F
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09/03 22:24, 5小時前 , 48F
老大開庭有時會延誤出賽 但回來表現都蠻猛的
09/03 22:24, 48F
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09/03 22:28, 5小時前 , 49F
那年歐布跟本沒心力打 只有馬龍在硬撐
09/03 22:28, 49F
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09/03 22:30, 5小時前 , 50F
歐布要是合作玩真的全力打有沒有馬龍都照碾活塞半
09/03 22:30, 50F
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09/03 22:30, 5小時前 , 51F
核共震
09/03 22:30, 51F
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09/03 22:37, 4小時前 , 52F
俠客總冠軍賽還是打爆活塞禁區不是嗎
09/03 22:37, 52F
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09/03 22:41, 4小時前 , 53F
有人光顧著下半身的事情
09/03 22:41, 53F
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09/03 22:42, 4小時前 , 54F
一人一城 這城不是你的
09/03 22:42, 54F
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09/03 22:44, 4小時前 , 55F
重點還是馬龍受傷
09/03 22:44, 55F
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09/03 22:57, 4小時前 , 56F
歐肥的自制力 給他留在湖人繼續當頭牌只會更糟 在熱
09/03 22:57, 56F
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09/03 22:57, 4小時前 , 57F
火那前兩年是有關面子的關係在驅動他 沒看到他拿了
09/03 22:57, 57F
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09/03 22:57, 4小時前 , 58F
那冠後又開始擺爛了
09/03 22:57, 58F
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09/03 23:18, 4小時前 , 59F
你被活塞守爆了
09/03 23:18, 59F
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09/03 23:27, 4小時前 , 60F
DPOY Kobe守住了霸凌仔
09/03 23:27, 60F
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09/03 23:27, 4小時前 , 61F
禪師在書中說明第一戰犯是Payton
09/03 23:27, 61F
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09/03 23:27, 4小時前 , 62F
00~02 歐肥就是3冠3FMVP啊
09/03 23:27, 62F
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09/03 23:27, 4小時前 , 63F
Kobe反而在攻守兩端不斷幫Payton擦屁股
09/03 23:27, 63F
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09/03 23:43, 3小時前 , 64F
我看你們都是Sonny Corleone吧
09/03 23:43, 64F
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09/03 23:53, 3小時前 , 65F
Kobe的丹佛事件 歐尼爾沒有相挺也是關係下降的因素
09/03 23:53, 65F
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09/03 23:53, 3小時前 , 66F
在這之後Kobe的聲勢有明顯的下降 直到81分橫空出世
09/03 23:53, 66F
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09/03 23:57, 3小時前 , 67F
04場外因素明顯影響到場內 是上車的那幾個老傢伙勉
09/03 23:57, 67F
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09/03 23:57, 3小時前 , 68F
強維繫整隊的氣氛
09/03 23:57, 68F
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09/04 00:02, 3小時前 , 69F
Kobe能共存就不是Kobe了
09/04 00:02, 69F
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09/04 00:04, 3小時前 , 70F
其實沒0.4秒那球 湖人應該就掰了
09/04 00:04, 70F
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09/04 00:16, 3小時前 , 71F
連扛姚明,TD,KG 然後,就沒有然後了
09/04 00:16, 71F
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09/04 00:33, 2小時前 , 72F
歐肥不是還落井下石說NBA這很常見 但被告的只有老大
09/04 00:33, 72F
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09/04 01:30, 2小時前 , 73F
某人忙著出庭還要買鑽戒
09/04 01:30, 73F
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09/04 01:37, 1小時前 , 74F
胖虎這人絕對有心理障礙，人前人後的雙面人，超屌
09/04 01:37, 74F
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09/04 01:53, 1小時前 , 75F
可惜沒四連霸
09/04 01:53, 75F
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09/04 02:07, 1小時前 , 76F
我也記得03 還是04歐肥特別重 340磅
09/04 02:07, 76F
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09/04 02:08, 1小時前 , 77F
我玩nba 2K2他才315
09/04 02:08, 77F
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