[外絮] 富保羅: 若哈登有LBJ早3冠 Luka勿蹈覆轍
看板NBA (美國籃球)作者usnavyseal (usmarine2008)時間2小時前 (2026/01/16 15:36)推噓25(58推 33噓 64→)留言155則, 108人參與討論串1/1
※ 引述《Mikufans ( miku我婆)》之銘言：
: https://x.com/heatculture13/status/2009048650022813733
: Rich Paul 表示，26 歲的 LeBron 當年在更衣室裡，並沒有一個人能像 LeBron 之於 Luka
: 那樣，教他如何成為冠軍
: 「Luka 還沒拿過總冠軍，但也從來沒有人在討論：『我們要幫你理解奪冠是什麼感覺、或
: 是要怎麼贏得冠軍。』一切都應該圍繞這件事才對——我們到底要怎麼在更衣室裡，把合適
: 的人放在這個年輕人身邊……我可以告訴你一件事：LeBron 26 歲的時候，更衣室裡他身邊
: 可沒有一個『LeBron』。」
: https://x.com/heatculture13/status/2009042725341933721?s=61&t=Tx_QsQiAObfRU-X7wP
: mNjQ
: Rich Paul 說：就算 Luka 的防守直接變成 Tony Allen 那種等級，以湖人現在的陣容建構
: 方式，可能也拿不到冠軍
: 「你們把所有希望都押在『Luka 會不會防守』這件事上——我才不在乎 Luka 現在就變成
: Tony Allen，結果也不會有什麼不同……如果你能做一些表面、基本層面的補強，我不是說
: 要你現在就衝出去、把未來完全鎖死。但我也不是要你玩那種『等最大咖的名字』的遊戲，
: 因為在我看來那是幻想籃球。現實是，每一年都不一樣，你不能就這樣直接把一個賽季丟掉
: 。」
剛回去聽這個 1/8的podcast 補充一下內容
https://youtu.be/u37aPVBa3XI?t=4048
Max: Well, I got something to say about Luka. If, I know he's not the athlete
LeBron is, very few people have been, but he's achieved kind of on the surface
similar offensive results at similar ages to LeBron. LeBron went to Miami and
learned what it took to win championships. And primarily, he became an all
time great defender under Spoelstra and Pat Riley. He became an all time,
I forgot if it was 2012 or 2013.
關於 Luka 我有話要說。我知道他不像 LeBron 那樣是頂級體能怪，沒幾個人能像
LeBron 那樣，但他在與 LeBron 同樣年齡時，表面上的進攻數據非常接近。當年
LeBron 去了邁阿密，學會了奪冠需要付出什麼。最重要的是，他在 Spoelstra 和 Pat
Riley 麾下變成了史上最強的防守者。我忘了是 2012 還是 2013 年...
Rich: He should have won defensive player of the year, yes.
LBJ那年該拿年度最佳防守球員，沒錯
Max: He reminded me, I've said this before, of Dennis Rodman almost. Not
quite as intense, but like, he could guard every position, he was everywhere
all at once. He was, and to me that's LeBron's actual prime, that year where
he was both sides of the floor, best player in the world.
他讓我想起 Dennis Rodman。雖然沒那麼狂，但他能守五個位置，無所不在。
對我來說那是 LeBron 的真巔峰，攻守兩端都是世界最強
Rich: Well, he's had like four primes, but that's okay.
呃，他大概有四個巔峰期吧，不過沒關係。
Max: Yeah, but now I think that was the LeBron that I would take.
對，但如果要我選，我會選那個版本的 LeBron。
Rich: But defense is effort and energy. 防守靠的就是積極度跟拚勁
Max: Okay, I'm not asking Luka to be the best defensive player in the world.
He shouldn't be the worst. Luka right now is arguably the worst defensive
player in the world. Can't happen It's never gonna happen. I don't care what
, like, he's gonna have to do more than this. He's gonna have to show a
willingness and effort.
好，但我現在想說的是，我不需要 Luka 變成世界最強防守者，但他不該是全聯盟「最爛
」的一個。現在的 Luka 說他是全世界防守最爛的球員也不為過。 這絕對不行，他必須
展現出積極度。
Rich: But here's what I'm saying, you don't have to dwell on that. We hear
you. I think, I think, I think we do. We hear you loud and clear on that
part. All I'm saying is.
好了，你不需要一直糾結這點。我們聽到了，大家都很清楚你的意思了。我只想說...
Max: I'll tell you why we do. Because it's, when you say it's effort, it's
not just the kind of specific point of playing defense to win and da da da
da. It's that what it reflects, cause we've seen this with James Harden. And
by the time he started putting effort into defense, it was already too late
actually.
我告訴你為什麼我要一直講。因為防守反映的是態度。
我們在 James Harden 身上看過同樣的事，等他終於想開始防守時，早就太遲了。
Rich: Yes. 沒錯
Max: But we've seen a guy dribble the ball to death, do all these incredible
things, score, take his team on some runs, but never get to the finals, never
win a championship. And this is James Harden 2.0. It's the same thing.
我們看過一個球員把球運到死，做各種不可思議的操作、得分、帶領球隊打出高潮，
但他從未進過總決賽，從未奪冠。這就是 James Harden 2.0，一模一樣。
Rich: But everyone keeps saying that. Everyone keeps saying that. But...
大家都一直這麼說，但是...
Max: I mean, I said all this about Harden at the time. And then that came to
pass. And it's a shame. You don't want that for the player. You want the
player to shine.
當年我也對 Harden 說過同樣的話，後來證明我對了。這很遺憾，你不希望球員變成那樣
Rich: So let me ask you this question. If you're saying this is James Harden
2.0, you know what I would do? I would go back and I would look at how a team
was constructed around James Harden.
And I would look at my current team. I can almost guarantee you there was no
LeBron James on that team with James Harden. Because if it was, he would have
three rings. I can guarantee you that. That's number one. Number two...
那我問你，如果你說這是 Harden 2.0，你知道我會怎麼做嗎？我會回頭看看當年球隊是
怎麼圍繞 Harden 建隊的，再看看現在這支球隊。我敢保證，當年 Harden 身邊絕對沒
有 LeBron James。如果有，他早就拿三枚戒指了。 這是第一點。第二...
Max: Or if he had LeBron in his prime, they'd win every year.
如果他有巔峰 LeBron，他們每年都會奪冠。
Rich: Well, number two, I don't know if there was a player as good as Austin
Reeves has become also with James Harden.
第二，我不知道當年 Harden 身邊有沒有像現在 Austin Reaves 這麼強的隊友。
Max: CP3.
Rich: Okay, yeah. CP was great, yeah. Okay, fair. Okay, so you two...
好啦，CP3 確實很棒，這我承認
Max: I'm saying, he had plenty of bites at the Apple. He was on plenty of
good teams. 他待過很多強隊，他已經獲得過非常多次奪冠的機會了
Rich: You have two of the three. He had a lob threat in Clint Capella.
你講的三點裡他有兩點。他那時候有 Clint Capela 這種能接空接的威脅
Max: He had a good team, man. 他那隊很強啦
Rich: He had, Trevor at that time was still strong. 當年Ariza還是很強
Max: Yes. Yeah, 沒錯
Rich: but then Pat Bev. 然後還有 Pat Bev
Max: Yes, he had a lot, and by the way, he went far. And if not for the worst
shooting performance ever, not just by him, by the whole team, they get to a
finals and probably win.
對，他有很多幫手。而且他們走得很遠，要不是因為那場史上最慘的集體打鐵（指 2018
年西決 G7），他們早就進決賽而且奪冠了。
Rich: The only thing he didn't have was a bonafide, franchise guy that was on
an equal playing field as he was, right? But he probably had-
他唯一缺的，就是一個能跟他平起平坐、真正的招牌巨星
Max: Once he left the Thunder 自從他離開雷霆之後
Rich: You're saying he had a better, you're saying he had a just as good if
not better supporting cast.
你是說，他其實有一套同等甚至更好的副手
Max: It was a well-constructed team. It was a way to put around him.
那隊就是組得很好，是很懂得怎麼把人放在他身邊的那種
Rich: But he also ran up against- 但他也遇到
Max: But when you're that dude, they run up against you, not vice versa.
Everyone can cry, oh, this one would have won a championship if not for Jordan
Yeah, you know who doesn't have to say that? Jordan, because he's that dude.
So if James Harden is like that, then they would have won championships.
不是啦，當你是「那個人」是別人遇到你、是別人得跨過你，不是你在那邊說「我遇到誰
誰誰」當理由。 每個人都可以哭說：「喔如果不是 Jordan 我也會拿冠軍。」
對啊，但你知道誰不用講這種話嗎？Jordan。因為他就是那個人。
所以如果 James Harden 真的是那種人，他們早就拿冠軍
Rich: Yeah, but he ran up against some dudes too. Here's another thing I'll
tell you. 好啦，但他也真的遇到一些狠角色。我再跟你講一個
Max: Not really. Who did he run up against? 並不算真的有吧 Jordan有遇到誰嗎
Rich: What? You mean not really. 什麼叫「沒有」？
Max: Who? 誰
Rich: Bird, Magic and Isaiah Thomas
Max: MJ, as soon as MJ had a single other Allstar, he smoked the league every
time. He smoked the league. There was no one in his way.
Jordan 只要身邊有一個其他全明星，他就把聯盟打爆了。每次都打爆，沒有人擋得住。
Rich: So in 1989. 所以 1989 年
Max: He had no All-Star. Oh, when they played the Pistons?
他那年沒有全明星。你是說打活塞那次？
Rich: Yeah.
Max: Pippen had a migraine Game 7. He was pre-prime. He was on the way up. He
made an All-Star team, but pre-prime. He had a migraine, scored two points.
In other words, Pippen wasn't an All-Star in Game 7, so they lost to the
back-to-back champs.
Pippen 在第七戰偏頭痛，而且他那時候還沒到巔峰，是正在往上爬。他有進過全明星，
但那時還沒 prime。那場他偏頭痛只拿 2 分。換句話說，第七戰那個 Pippen 根本不能
算全明星，所以他們輸給當時剛完成二連霸的活塞。
Max: So what you're saying is... 所以你意思是
Rich: And otherwise, smoked the league.
除了那次以外，Jordan 其他時間就是把聯盟打爆。
備註
Harden有LBJ有辦法奪冠嗎
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