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[外絮] 名嘴: 非LBJ&AR的錯 77退化中 打法像甜瓜

看板NBA (美國籃球)作者 (usmarine2008)時間2小時前 (2026/02/25 15:18), 編輯推噓92(98推 6噓 97→)
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知名體育媒體人Colin Cowherd 評論湖人的現狀 以下為完整逐字稿 I always have this kind of belief that if something's truly going to work, you know,I met my wife, I remember the restaurant, I was like 7-8 minutes in, I'm like,oh, this is great. This is going to work. She's great. It's funny. She was smart. She was great sense of humor. And I was like, oh, and it's the same in sports. Like Christian McCaffrey got traded to the Niners mid season. He had 13 touchdowns for the Niners alone and led them to the NFC championship 我一直深信一件事：如果某件事真的行得通，你很快就會感覺到。我還記得跟我老婆第一 次約會，在那間餐廳坐下來才七、八分鐘，我就想：「喔！這感覺太棒了，絕對沒問題。 她人美、聰明，又幽默。」 運動場上也是一樣。Christian McCaffrey 季中被交易到 Niners，單單在那隊就拿了 13 次達陣，還帶隊殺進國聯冠軍賽。 When KD went to the Warriors first 18 games, they're 16 and two. Messi Inner Miami worked instantly. The Heedles took 15 games. Randy Moss goes to the Patriots, seven touchdowns in the first four games with Tom Brady stuff. If it's going to work relationships, business sports, it can't take forever. It can't be that hard. You can't have to go to therapy four times a week. The relationship doesn't work. So I'm reading a story this morning about how we're a year into the Luka trade and that JJ Reddick is frustrated. LeBron's frustrated because the Austin Reeves, LeBron James, Luka trifecta, it's still not working out that well. How the hell long is it take? 當 KD 加入 Warriors 的前 18 場比賽，他們戰績是 16 勝 2 敗。Messi 加入 Inter Miami 也是瞬間起化學反應。當年的 Heatles（熱火三巨頭）也只花了 15 場比賽就磨合 成功。Randy Moss 剛去 Patriots 時，跟 Tom Brady 合作的前四場就接了 7 次達陣。 無論是感情、生意還是運動，如果行得通，就不該拖太久，也不該這麼吃力。 如果一段關係得讓你一週去做4次諮商，那這段關係就是沒救了。 所以我今天早上讀到一篇報導，提到 Luka 的交易案過了一年，JJ Redick 感到很挫折， LeBron 也很挫折。因為 Austin Reaves、LeBron James 加上 Luka 的這個「三巨頭」組 合，到現在還是磨合得很糟。到底他媽的要花多久？ It can't take this long. And that's my point. It's not on 41 year old LeBron to make it work. And it's not on undrafted Austin Reeves to make it work. It's on Luka to make it work. But he's got that heliocentric style where he's got the ball in his hands and he doesn't always elevate other teammates and he is hard to play with at times. And two things can be true. The Lakers stole him from the Mavs. It was a great trade. And secondly, he is aging quickly. The numbers don't lie. He gets four times more technicals now than dunks. His athleticism is regressing. He's not 27 years old yet. He's still four or five days away from 27. He should be going into his prime. And you think, oh, the great athletes, they all age equally. No, Big Ben and Cam fell off a cliff. Brady was obsessed with working out and Brady could play today. LeBron, D Wade, obsessed with being in shape. Steph Curry obsessed, age better 不該拖這麼久的，這就是我的重點：讓化學反應發酵，這責任不在41歲的 LeBron 身上， 也不在落選秀出身的 Reaves 身上，而是Luka的責任。但他那種「球權高度集中」的打法 ，球必須一直黏在他手上，他並不總是能讓隊友變得更好，有時候他真的很難搭檔。 兩件事可以同時成立：第一，Lakers 當初從 Mavs 手中搶到他是很棒的交易；第二，他 老化得非常快。數據不會說謊，他現在吃到的技術犯規比扣籃次數還多4倍。他的體能正 在衰退，而他甚至還不到 27 歲（還有4-5天才滿 27）。他本該進入巔峰期才對。 你可能會想：喔，偉大的運動員老化速度都差不多。才怪！Big Ben 和 Cam 的狀態是斷 崖式下滑；而 Brady 瘋狂執著於訓練，他到現在還能打；LeBron、D Wade 瘋狂執著於維 持身材；Steph Curry 也是，所以他們老化的狀態更好 And so the Luka Doncic thing, I always said my comp was always Carmelo Anthony. It's getting truer by the day is that he doesn't attack the rim. He's not going to contribute much defensively. He spends way too much time barking at officials, which if he was an elite defender, I'd be okay with. But if you're not going to try on one end of the floor, then don't play a victim to the officials and the zebras, right? Like you can't just be a one dimensional jump shooter. And like I'm watching Wemby last night, he can beat you seven different ways. He can beat you without scoring. And Luka now can only beat you with scoring. People used to say, well, he's Larry Bird. No, Bird made all defense three times. Larry Bird made every teammate he ever played with better. 至於 Luka，我一直說他的模板是 Carmelo Anthony，現在看來這說法一天比一天精準。 他不衝擊籃框，防守端貢獻極低，花太多時間在跟裁判碎念。如果你防守頂尖，碎念我還 能接受，但如果你在場的一端根本不努力，就別在那邊裝得像被裁判（Zebras）欺負的受 害者好嗎？你不能只是一個單一維度的跳投球員。 我昨晚看 Wemby 比賽，他有七種不同方法能擊敗你，甚至不用得分也能贏球。但現在的 Luka 只能靠得分來贏球。人家以前常說他是 Larry Bird 的接班人，別鬧了，Bird入選 過3次年度防守第二隊，而且 Bird 讓身邊每個隊友都變得更好 We're a year into Luka and the Lakers and LeBron's admitting it. JJ Reddick's admitting it. Luka's admitting it. It's not really working yet. How long can it take? LeBron's LeBron James is one of the smartest basketball players in the last 20 years. Everybody plays well with LeBron. Austin Reeves is not a ball hog. He's undrafted. He's a hard worker. He's a shot creator. He's a free throw getter. You can't work with that. So and people say, well, you know, Luka did make the finals. Well, Carmelo Anthony had one great playoff run, but two things can be true. Yesterday I had Chris Bussard on and we talked about this is that, you know, you're, you're, you're for a pro athlete. Your body is a retirement ground. The more you put into it, the more you have left at the end. And I look at Luka right now and I'm like, I don't know. You keep telling me he's in great shape. Men's Health magazine put him on the cover. He looked in great shape and then the season started. And now he doesn't attack the rim. He gets a lot of technicals. He no longer dunks the ball. Luka 來到 Lakers 一年了，LeBron 承認了，JJ Redick 承認了，連 Luka 自己也承認了 ，目前的合作並不成功。還要花多久？LeBron James 是這 20 年來籃球智商最高的球員 之一，每個人跟他打球都能打得很好；Austin Reaves 也不是球霸，他是落選秀出身、苦 幹實幹，能創造進攻機會也能買犯。如果連跟這兩個人都搭不起來，那問題出在誰身上？ 有人會說：「但 Luka 打進過總決賽啊。」沒錯，Carmelo Anthony 當年也有過一次輝煌 的季後賽表現。我昨天跟 Chris Broussard 聊到，對於職業運動員來說，你的身體就是 你的「退休金帳戶」，你現在投入越多，最後剩下的就越多。但我現在看著 Luka，我真 的懷疑。你一直跟我說他身材維持得很好，《Men's Health》雜誌還拿他當封面，封面照 看起來確實很壯，但賽季一開打，他不再衝擊籃框、狂吃技術犯規、也不再扣籃了 備註 原來是Luka老化太快 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.248.238.108 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1772003903.A.0DA.html
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02/25 15:19, 2小時前 , 1F
Nico：要還我清白了嗎？
02/25 15:19, 1F
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02/25 15:19, 2小時前 , 2F
來了來了 媒體名嘴出動了 MVP榜前10的球員原來退化
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了 那沒退化不就是MVP了嗎
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02/25 15:19, 2小時前 , 4F
開始了
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02/25 15:19, 2小時前 , 5F
好像真的越來越少衝框了 好像
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02/25 15:20, 2小時前 , 6F
妮可：i told you
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那技術犯規跟扣籃來講老化是什麼邏輯
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02/25 15:20, 2小時前 , 8F
niko先知
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Melo:....
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*Nico
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噓
02/25 15:20, 2小時前 , 11F
來了來了，護主批鬥開始
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這名嘴說每個人和老詹一起打球 都能打很好 龜龜：？
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02/25 15:20, 2小時前 , 13F
NICO : 我就說...
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02/25 15:21, 2小時前 , 14F
來了!! 大伙進攻了
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02/25 15:21, 2小時前 , 15F
開始了
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02/25 15:21, 2小時前 , 16F
要說護主要先看這名嘴是什麼咖阿 可能只是蹭流量仔
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02/25 15:21, 2小時前 , 17F
77快陶啊
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02/25 15:21, 2小時前 , 18F
開始你的表演
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02/25 15:21, 2小時前 , 19F
又來了
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小牛最大贏家
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NICO含金量提升中
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02/25 15:22, 2小時前 , 22F
湖人幾乎是免費換到77 不然送回小牛阿
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02/25 15:22, 2小時前 , 23F
z開始了
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02/25 15:22, 2小時前 , 24F
又開始了 當初的龜龜就是這樣被搞的XDD
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02/25 15:22, 2小時前 , 25F
41歲老人領頂薪產出只有中產等級還不能防守 然後用
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公關輿論瘋狂攻擊球隊新的一哥 笑死
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使用技能 追加攻擊
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02/25 15:22, 2小時前 , 28F
不然還小犢啊
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02/25 15:22, 2小時前 , 29F
那賣掉 包一包拿去換字母阿肥
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妮可先知
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他到底底下養了多少人阿 有夠誇張
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皇媒出動 這就是掌握媒體的好處
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側翼進攻囉！
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噓
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20年來籃球智商最高的球員?會讓公牛8秒得9分? 哈囉
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某個屬性的媒體，動起來囉
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02/25 15:23, 2小時前 , 36F
數據這麼漂亮 但效率很差又不防守
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02/25 15:23, 2小時前 , 37F
其實真的不要用正常人歲數看巔峰 77很早就進職業消
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02/25 15:23, 2小時前 , 38F
mvp前五被嫌成這樣 不然丟出去交易了啊
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耗加上連年國際賽 體態管控也不是優秀的那一群 要
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還有 122 則推文
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難怪當年Iving會被逼走 真慘
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02/25 15:39, 1小時前 , 163F
可是沒姆斯時C2ㄟ 球隊氣氛也很好
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老害不在時，湖人勝率71%
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當年LBJ至少還算能打 現在這種水準還能拿來踩人
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好可怕，龜龜就算了，連77都可以被講成這樣XDD
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02/25 15:39, 1小時前 , 167F
龜龜當年被攻擊到跟垃圾一樣
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02/25 15:39, 1小時前 , 168F
模板是火箭時期的哈登吧 持球大核數據刷滿
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02/25 15:39, 1小時前 , 169F
這些側翼就不去討論問題核心啊 吹姆斯20年的籃球智
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商 不討論姆斯實力退化多快？
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我就看道奇老闆能不能忍過這3個月氣氛 哈哈哈
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02/25 15:40, 1小時前 , 172F
發現A殺殺不動只好7殺了嗎
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姆斯的團隊真的太厲害，可以把姆斯包裝成這樣
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全軍破敵 不然就真的沒機會退休巡迴了
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全面進攻
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進攻囉
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所以老頭的下一步就是要浪費湖人不知道幾年陪演?
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喇叭公關機器真會插針唷，怕。
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瓜哥：.....？
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看來當年老大那樣他也想要有
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77當然有他的問題在 但也別對最大的問題視而不見
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有哪個球星躲過的嗎
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02/25 15:42, 1小時前 , 183F
77打法就是這樣 只是胖瘦都差不多而已 要他扣籃實在
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這些側翼是真的想把人逼走
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是沒有甚麼必要
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02/25 15:42, 1小時前 , 186F
沒 以前還有戰力時 幾乎是被壓著打下身價
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02/25 15:43, 1小時前 , 187F
77這種地板流通常都是退化很慢吧
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龜龜算是最慘的 直接信心戰力身價都被打下來
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02/25 15:44, 1小時前 , 189F
其實說的蠻有道理的
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02/25 15:45, 1小時前 , 190F
說77跟甜瓜一樣 那紐約拿唐詩跟你換要不要？
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底薪老龜就變成另外一種球員了,不當持球大核行啊
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哪一個平行時空的甜瓜可以場均8+助攻
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拿077跟巫師交易有沒有搞頭？
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打法像甜瓜？一點都不像
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Hire Nico!
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堡皇黴體出動囉 老招了
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每個人跟姆斯打球都能打得很好？蛤？
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意外嗎，兩個過譽沒用咖+一個球商買飯仔，早就說這
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組合根本沒料，一直都是某隊的球盲在蹦跳自爽跌股
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而已
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02/25 15:48, 1小時前 , 201F
當看到責任不在41歲的LBJ身上就知道這隻什麼咖了
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