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[外絮] 沒LBJ贏球 富保羅避談原因 搭檔稱有季後詹

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https://open.spotify.com/episode/0gVV1aOcleb6ZHuCBxIF8p Game over with max kellerman and rich paul 從38:50開始 Max: Luka had a great game last night. LeBron didn't play. Luka and Reeves beat the Wolves, who didn't play well, but T-Wolves have a hellified starting five. That's a really nice starting five. And the Lakers beat them handily. And Luka had a great game. This is the question, Rich, because I know there's chatter. They play better with that. You know, the stats say they're not a good offensive team with LeBron when you add him to those guys, and they're a very good offensive team. Let's assume for a second that LeBron is going to make them better when they're all playing together in the playoffs, okay? Have we written off the Lakers too soon as contenders, as real contenders? Did we write them off too soon? My assumption is, especially in the playoffs, LeBron elevates whatever they can do. Have we written them off too soon? Luka 昨晚打得超好。LeBron 沒上。Luka 跟 Reaves 聯手擊敗了灰狼，雖然灰狼那場本 身打得不怎麼樣，但灰狼的先發五人真的很有料，是一組非常不錯的先發陣容。結果湖人 還是贏得算蠻輕鬆的，而且 Luka 打了一場很棒的比賽。問題就在這裡，Rich， 因為我知道外面已經開始有人在講了：湖人是不是沒有 LeBron 反而打得更好？ 你知道，數據上看起來，當 LeBron 跟這幾個人一起打時，他們的進攻其實不算好； 但沒有他時，他們反而是一支非常強的進攻球隊。 那我們先假設一件事: 到了季後賽，只要3個人一起打，LBJ還是會讓球隊變更好，好嗎？ 那問題是，我們是不是太早把湖人從爭冠行列裡劃掉了？我們是不是太早不把他們當成真 正的爭冠隊了？我的預設是，尤其到了季後賽，LeBron 會把球隊原本能做的事情再往上 拉一個層級。所以我們是不是太早看衰湖人了 Rich: I was at the game last night. I thought the Lakers played a really good game. I thought the Timberwolves was a little flat, though, to start. I thought both teams was flat to start. But they strung along a couple of good games there to win, you know. Look, I think anytime you have great talent, you always have a puncher's chance. It's all about matchups in the playoffs. It really is. You can get rolling. If everybody can get rolling, I thought some of the road guys have been playing extremely well. So we'll see. 我昨晚人在現場。我覺得湖人打了一場很不錯的比賽。 不過我也覺得灰狼開局有點沒進入狀況。老實說，我覺得兩隊一開始都有點慢熟。 但湖人最近確實是連著打出幾場不錯的比賽，然後也贏下來了。 不過你知道，我的看法是，只要你有頂級天賦，你永遠都還是有機會一拳把人打倒。 到了季後賽，一切都還是看對戰組合。真的就是這樣。 你有可能突然打出氣勢，如果大家都能一起進入狀態，我覺得有些客場角色球員最近打得 真的非常好。所以，接下來就看吧。 Max: You know what I got to say about what I think happened one this year? JJ did such a great job coaching early when he never had his crew together that I think they may have gotten a little used to playing a certain way in order to win games without all three of them. Remember, they were winning with just Luka, with just Reeves, with just LeBron. They were 2 of those guys. And they hadn't had enough reps figuring out how to do that winning formula with all three of them, right, because they've relied heavily on one or two of them early in the season. And then, I'm still sitting here with that quote from Deandre Ayton in my head. “They want me to beat Clint Capella" Like, if you, none of that's gonna work. This is a team without a big. If, you know, Jackson Hayes plays hard, he wasn't playing last night. But if Deandre Ayton is not gonna star in his role, as you say, Lakers aren't gonna do anything in the playoffs. But if he has a coming to God moment, right, like where he's understanding that actually he will amplify his value by starring in his role,the Lakers might do a little something. They're not gonna get out of the West, but they could play spoiler. 你知道我怎麼看今年這支球隊嗎？我覺得 JJ 一開始執教真的做得太好了，因為他在陣容 一直湊不齊的情況下，還是把球隊帶得很好。結果反而讓這支球隊有點習慣了某一種贏球 方式，那種在三巨頭沒有一起上時的贏球模式。 你想想看，他們之前靠 Luka 贏過球、靠 Reaves 贏過球、靠 LeBron 也贏過球。 甚至很多時候是三個裡面只靠其中兩個。問題是，他們一直沒有足夠的實戰回合去摸索： 三個人同時在場時，到底要怎麼維持那套贏球公式。 因為球季前段，他們其實很依賴其中一個人，或兩個人去撐嘛。然後，我到現在腦中還一 直記得 Deandre Ayton 那句話。「他們要我去打爆 Clint Capela。」 如果是這種心態，那整套都不會成功。因為這是一支沒有真正大個子的球隊。 Jackson Hayes 很拚，昨晚他沒打。但如果 Deandre Ayton 沒辦法在自己的角色裡打出 明星價值，像你剛剛講的，那湖人在季後賽什麼事都做不了。 可如果他突然有一天想通了，真的頓悟了，理解到其實只要他能把自己的角色演好、而且 演到極致，他反而會讓自己的價值被放大，那湖人也許還是能搞出一點事情。 他們應該是衝不出西區啦，但他們有可能當攪局者。 Rich: I think the goal is going to the playoffs. You want to be whole, you want to be healthy. 我覺得目標就是先進季後賽。你會希望到那時候全員到齊，而且健康。 備註 之前輸球檢討Luka AR都很大聲 現在怎麼不敢講皇上XD 還有這種假設 Let's assume for a second that LeBron is going to make them better when they're all playing together in the playoffs 「我們先假設一件事: 到了季後賽，只要3個人一起打，LBJ還是會讓球隊變更好，好嗎」 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.248.197.34 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1773319054.A.1CB.html ※ 編輯: usnavyseal (111.248.197.34 臺灣), 03/12/2026 20:38:19
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03/12 20:40, 3周前 , 1F
檢討77 我重磅出拳 / 遇到樂邦 我唯唯諾諾
03/12 20:40, 1F
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03/12 20:40, 3周前 , 2F
場上輸球怪隊友 場下贏球靜悄悄
03/12 20:40, 2F
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03/12 20:42, 3周前 , 3F
被排了之後換吹季後詹，真的厲害
03/12 20:42, 3F
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03/12 20:43, 3周前 , 4F
「到時候LeBron還是會讓球隊變得更好」所以現在是Le
03/12 20:43, 4F
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03/12 20:43, 3周前 , 5F
Bron不想要球隊變得更好還是怎樣？
03/12 20:43, 5F
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03/12 20:43, 3周前 , 6F
為什麼垢（自稱）不上場後連頓寶都活過來了啊 你有
03/12 20:43, 6F
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03/12 20:43, 3周前 , 7F
頭緒嗎
03/12 20:43, 7F
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03/12 20:44, 3周前 , 8F
這不是之前大聲囔囔 執意要賣掉077+AR的富寶嗎
03/12 20:44, 8F
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03/12 20:45, 3周前 , 9F
縮起來的樣子看了真有趣
03/12 20:45, 9F
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03/12 20:46, 3周前 , 10F
如果今天是77休養然後姆斯帶隊贏球 我就不信他們
03/12 20:46, 10F
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03/12 20:46, 3周前 , 11F
胡言亂語了，慘
03/12 20:46, 11F
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03/12 20:46, 3周前 , 12F
的嘴臉會是現在這樣 肯定是馬上大叫就該賣掉77
03/12 20:46, 12F
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03/12 20:46, 3周前 , 13F
不知所云到天邊
03/12 20:46, 13F
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03/12 20:47, 3周前 , 14F
網軍側翼的特徵就是硬凹，這齣政治鬧劇表演還有看
03/12 20:47, 14F
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03/12 20:48, 3周前 , 15F
這咖真的跟姆咪一個樣 果然是姆咪王
03/12 20:48, 15F
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03/12 20:48, 3周前 , 16F
發現自己臉被打爛了就開始扯別的
03/12 20:48, 16F
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03/12 20:48, 3周前 , 17F
忘了之前要湖人賣77AR留下敗球王姆斯嗎 笑死
03/12 20:48, 17F
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03/12 20:48, 3周前 , 18F
可憐啊 因為被77AR組打臉 又是只能搬出那套‘磨合
03/12 20:48, 18F
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03/12 20:48, 3周前 , 19F
不夠’的可悲結論 來掩蓋姆斯現在是個拖後腿的事實
03/12 20:48, 19F
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03/12 20:48, 3周前 , 20F
笑死，還在嘴硬有山羌球隊會更好，臉都腫成這樣
03/12 20:48, 20F
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03/12 20:49, 3周前 , 21F
沒坐！隊手太依賴LBJ了！
03/12 20:49, 21F
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03/12 20:49, 3周前 , 22F
俗辣孩，真的是笑到不行
03/12 20:49, 22F
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03/12 20:49, 3周前 , 23F
今年富寶+樂邦，真的帶來很多歡樂
03/12 20:49, 23F
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03/12 20:50, 3周前 , 24F
蠻好奇明年老詹到底能拿到什麼價碼的約
03/12 20:50, 24F
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03/12 20:50, 3周前 , 25F
先猜明天打東區強權公牛復出
03/12 20:50, 25F
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03/12 20:51, 3周前 , 26F
季後賽讓球隊更好? 為什麼現在樂邦不讓球隊更好呢?
03/12 20:51, 26F
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03/12 20:52, 3周前 , 27F
乾脆坐骨神經痛到休賽季好了，不然復出後又輸球，這
03/12 20:52, 27F
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03/12 20:52, 3周前 , 28F
樣太顯眼了
03/12 20:52, 28F
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03/12 20:52, 3周前 , 29F
又不是沒看過三人一起季後賽怎樣 對手一樣是灰狼
03/12 20:52, 29F
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03/12 20:52, 3周前 , 30F
噁心東廠 除了給主子擦脂抹粉還會幹嘛
03/12 20:52, 30F
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03/12 20:53, 3周前 , 31F
姆斯要戒掉偷跑 努力去防守 才可能讓球隊更好
03/12 20:53, 31F
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03/12 20:53, 3周前 , 32F
不是一直靠北雙星防守爛 現在被打臉是一個字都不敢
03/12 20:53, 32F
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03/12 20:53, 3周前 , 33F
提了
03/12 20:53, 33F
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03/12 20:54, 3周前 , 34F
沾粉眼光獨特。
03/12 20:54, 34F
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03/12 20:54, 3周前 , 35F
太極打起來
03/12 20:54, 35F
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03/12 20:55, 3周前 , 36F
你要姆斯不偷跑，那分數怎麼辦，進階數據怎麼辦，效
03/12 20:55, 36F
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03/12 20:55, 3周前 , 37F
率值怎麼辦，原形畢露可精彩了
03/12 20:55, 37F
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03/12 20:55, 3周前 , 38F
看球的都知道姆斯不在湖人活力滿滿
03/12 20:55, 38F
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03/12 20:56, 3周前 , 39F
至少這咖已經承認姆斯在拖累球隊了 可喜可賀
03/12 20:56, 39F
還有 363 則推文
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03/13 07:50, 3周前 , 403F
最後還是被蛋雕阿
03/13 07:50, 403F
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03/13 07:51, 3周前 , 404F
怎可能為了一個老漢放棄核心 富寶放這些話真想不通
03/13 07:51, 404F
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03/13 07:57, 3周前 , 405F
都41歲了 姆斯就接受現實好好轉型不好嗎
03/13 07:57, 405F
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03/13 07:58, 3周前 , 406F
如果他願意接受中產 打到45歲也不奇怪了吧
03/13 07:58, 406F
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03/13 07:59, 3周前 , 407F
他問題不就是說轉型轉沒幾天就又開始透過沾媒放話
03/13 07:59, 407F
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03/13 07:59, 3周前 , 408F
了
03/13 07:59, 408F
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03/13 08:00, 3周前 , 409F
八分釋球權還想讓隊伍更好？
03/13 08:00, 409F
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03/13 08:01, 3周前 , 410F
巔峰都辦不到了，隊友不讓他舒服他就廢了
03/13 08:01, 410F
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03/13 08:04, 3周前 , 411F
姆斯和他的臣子還想洗輿論，假山羊還是洗洗睡吧
03/13 08:04, 411F
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03/13 08:05, 3周前 , 412F
別騙了，明眼人都知道問題出在哪裡
03/13 08:05, 412F
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03/13 08:09, 3周前 , 413F
季後賽如果能讓球隊更好那他就不會輸那麼多次季後
03/13 08:09, 413F
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03/13 08:09, 3周前 , 414F
賽了呵呵
03/13 08:09, 414F
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03/13 08:12, 3周前 , 415F
季後賽能開全力詹 真假
03/13 08:12, 415F
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03/13 08:15, 3周前 , 416F
在這版就是路邊一條，富保這不如意的咖還是閉嘴吧
03/13 08:15, 416F
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03/13 08:15, 3周前 , 417F
裝睡的人叫不醒
03/13 08:15, 417F
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03/13 08:19, 3周前 , 418F
你要不要再看一下自己在說什麼
03/13 08:19, 418F
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03/13 08:22, 3周前 , 419F
要是輸了尼克跟灰狼 這咖又是另一副嘴臉了
03/13 08:22, 419F
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03/13 08:37, 3周前 , 420F
富堡這樣代表LBJ發言有什麼意義？不太能理解，能證
03/13 08:37, 420F
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03/13 08:37, 3周前 , 421F
明什麼？要證明什麼
03/13 08:37, 421F
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03/13 08:46, 3周前 , 422F
超好笑 頓寶這季才多少錢而已XD
03/13 08:46, 422F
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03/13 08:48, 3周前 , 423F
LBJ就繼續放任Agent這樣亂放話吧
03/13 08:48, 423F
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03/13 08:59, 3周前 , 424F
有什麼複雜的 就是當作高薪低效球員來處理啊 姆斯
03/13 08:59, 424F
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03/13 08:59, 3周前 , 425F
在球隊沒資源就想拋棄 現在只是還治其人之身而已
03/13 08:59, 425F
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03/13 09:05, 3周前 , 426F
03/13 09:05, 426F
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03/13 09:05, 3周前 , 427F
球隊三,四年後還會有姆斯嗎 應該不會了吧 那湖人還
03/13 09:05, 427F
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03/13 09:05, 3周前 , 428F
有什麼必要繼續嘗試磨合有姆斯的陣容?
03/13 09:05, 428F
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03/13 09:15, 3周前 , 429F
不防守的到季後賽還能升級？ 講這話的人有大腦嗎
03/13 09:15, 429F
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03/13 09:20, 3周前 , 430F
腿詹連榮譽都很假 MVP+一陣+一防 被火槍兵和法國喬
03/13 09:20, 430F
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03/13 09:20, 3周前 , 431F
丹輪流打爆 敢問這兩位是什麼單打大師嗎？
03/13 09:20, 431F
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03/13 09:42, 3周前 , 432F
我猜會有人說富寶言論不代表老詹立場
03/13 09:42, 432F
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03/13 10:31, 3周前 , 433F
承認自己想看不防守刷分秀還要跟人家討論什麼 可憐
03/13 10:31, 433F
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03/13 10:46, 3周前 , 434F
看來湖人的問題只有JJ跟富保搞不清楚
03/13 10:46, 434F
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03/13 10:50, 3周前 , 435F
無姆湖 最佳解 送分題捏
03/13 10:50, 435F
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03/13 11:11, 3周前 , 436F
廢話長篇大論 就只是想點到LBJ蹭流量而已
03/13 11:11, 436F
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03/13 11:11, 3周前 , 437F
聽君一席話 如聽一席話
03/13 11:11, 437F
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03/13 12:09, 3周前 , 438F
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
03/13 12:09, 438F
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03/13 12:52, 3周前 , 439F
原因這麼明顯 有什麼好談的
03/13 12:52, 439F
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03/13 13:12, 3周前 , 440F
整天再吹結果關鍵時刻人呢？怎麼不敲鑼打鼓繼續吹
03/13 13:12, 440F
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03/13 13:12, 3周前 , 441F
山羌
03/13 13:12, 441F
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03/13 16:47, 3周前 , 442F
乾...你可不可以閉嘴 不要招黑好嗎
03/13 16:47, 442F
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