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[外絮] 雷霆需靠骯髒球風才能擊敗馬刺，這是真相

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附原文網址 https://airalamo.com/thunders-need-for-dirty-basketball-to-beat-the-spurs- tells-the-real-story Thunder's need for dirty basketball to beat the Spurs tells the real story //They truly can't compete without their underhanded tactics. Story by Jahlil Williams ‧ 28 minutes ago ‧Air Alamo 雷霆需要靠骯髒球風才能擊敗馬刺，這才是真相 //他們如果不靠這些陰招，根本就無法競爭。 The San Antonio Spurs dropped Game 2 on the road to the Thunder, 122-113, for several reasons, but the most egregious one won't be discussed as much as it should. It's my honor to ensure it gets discussed as it should. OKC is a dirty team. Most fans know it. Many media members have discussed it. And we all just watched them lean into it in a desperate attempt to avoid a 2-0 deficit, and it worked. Don't get me wrong, there were other factors at play in the loss. Devin Vassell missed a ton of wide-open shots to start the game, Stephon Castle turned the ball over way too many times, and Luke Kornet has been unplayable in the series. But despite all of those things, the game could have looked completely different had the referees done their job and called Oklahoma City on their egregious behavior. 聖安東尼奧馬刺在客場以113比122輸掉西區決賽G2，原因不少，但最嚴重的那一個卻沒 有得到應有的討論。我很榮幸能確保這事被好好談論。雷霆是一支骯髒的球隊。大多數 球迷都知道，很多媒體人也討論過。而我們剛剛親眼看到他們為了避免0-2落後而全力投 入這種打法，而且還成功了。 別誤會我，馬刺輸球還有其他因素。Devin Vassell開場就錯失大量空檔投籃，Stephon Castle失誤太多，Luke Kornet在本系列賽也幾乎無法上場。但儘管有這些問題，如果裁 判做好自己的工作、對奧克拉荷馬城那些惡劣行為吹罰的話，比賽結果可能會完全不同。 ☑ Refs can't let Hartenstein have a free-for-all on Wembanyama He's an alien. We get it. It's hard to defend Victor Wembanyama. That doesn't mean you get to grab his arm, pull him down when he's jumping, or wrap your arms around his body. Isaiah Hartenstein was in the game for one reason, and that was to irritate and rough up Wemby. He did that, but most of his acts weren't really savvy. They were blatant. Yet they went uncalled. From the very start of the game, OKC's starting center was grabbing the 7'4" superstar with two hands to prevent him from actually playing basketball. I don't know what Hartenstein was doing, but hooping wasn't it. It was much closer to MMA than the game that we were all in front of our televisions to watch. ☑ 裁判不能讓Hartenstein對Wembanyama為所欲為 他是一個外星人，我們都知道。防守Victor Wembanyama很困難，但這並不代表你可以抓 他的手臂、在他在空中時把他拉下來，或是用雙臂抱住他的身體。Isaiah Hartenstein上 場唯一的目的就是去煩擾和粗暴對待Wemby。他做到了，但大多數動作並不聰明，而是相 當明顯。然而這些動作大多沒有被吹罰。 從比賽一開始，雷霆的先發中鋒就用雙手抓住這位7尺4吋的超級巨星，阻止他正常打球。 我不知道Hartenstein在做什麼，但那絕對不是打籃球。那更接近MMA，而不是我們坐在電 視前想看的比賽。 ☑ The NBA let the Thunder turn Game 2 into an ugly spectacle Don't let the numbers fool you. When you go back and check the stats, you'll see that both teams racked up 21 personal fouls—dead even. The rationalist in you will believe that means the refs called the game right down the middle. However, that's far from the truth. Evenness does not equate to fairness in sports. Sometimes, one team is getting away with things they shouldn't, and the disparity deserves to be greater on one side. In Game One, Chet Holmgren intentionally steps on Wembanyama's foot as a free throw goes up to stop him from going for the rebound. They slap him in the face, elbow him in the head, push him with both hands, and will grab him with two hands without shame. Some of their acts could very well injure the Spurs star if he's going in one direction while they're pulling him in another. Yet the referees swallowed their whistles for San Antonio while rewarding ugly flopping from the Thunder. ☑ NBA讓雷霆把G2變成一場醜陋的鬧劇 不要被數據騙了。如果你回去看統計，兩隊都犯了21次個人犯規——完全一樣。你理性的 一面可能會認為裁判執法很公正，但事實遠非如此。 在運動中，「一樣多」並不等於「公平」。有時候，一支球隊做了不該做的事卻能逃過懲 罰，這時犯規次數的差距應該要更明顯。在G1中，Chet Holmgren在罰球出手時故意踩 Wembanyama的腳，阻止他搶進攻籃板。 他們打他的臉、用手肘頂他的頭、用雙手推他，還會毫不羞恥地用兩手抓他。有些動作如 果Wembanyama正朝一個方向移動，而他們卻把他往反方向拉，很可能會讓馬刺這位球星受 傷。然而裁判對馬刺的哨音變得嚴格，卻對雷霆那些醜陋的假摔給予獎勵。 This is one of several reasons why the majority of NBA fan bases are rooting against OKC. They're unlikeable. They get an unfair whistle. They're dirty. The Spurs had enough to deal with after learning De'Aaron Fox would miss his second consecutive game, then losing Dylan Harper to a hamstring injury in the third quarter, without also fighting underhanded tactics the zebras seemed okay with. They couldn't overcome it all tonight, but they were close, and that's still encouraging. Unfortunately for the Thunder, they lose Jalen Williams to another hamstring injury, so both teams could potentially be forced to fight out the rest of this series at less than 100%. Whether or not that's the case, the refs need to do a better job of protecting players when one team decides that straight-up basketball isn't enough. 這也是為什麼大多數NBA球迷都支持馬刺、反對OKC的原因之一。他們令人厭惡、哨音不公 、而且打法骯髒。馬刺已經夠辛苦了——先是得知De'Aaron Fox將缺席第二場比賽，之後 Dylan Harper又在第三節因腿筋傷勢退場——還得同時對抗裁判似乎默許的陰招。 他們今晚無法克服一切，但已經非常接近，這依然令人鼓舞。不幸的是，雷霆也失去了 Jalen Williams，他同樣因腿筋傷勢退場，所以兩隊接下來可能都得在非完整陣容下打完 這輪系列賽。無論如何，當一支球隊認為正規籃球不夠用的時候，裁判需要更好地保護球 員。 心得：批評真狠啊。不是我說的。https://i.postimg.cc/C5hLNzxR/ttt.jpg
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05/21 12:28, 59分鐘前 , 1F
並非只有馬刺
05/21 12:28, 1F
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05/21 12:29, 58分鐘前 , 2F
不只馬刺
05/21 12:29, 2F
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05/21 12:30, 57分鐘前 , 3F
哪裡狠了，根本事實
05/21 12:30, 3F
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05/21 12:30, 57分鐘前 , 4F
確實如此
05/21 12:30, 4F
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05/21 12:30, 57分鐘前 , 5F
阿銀允許的 在那叫什麼
05/21 12:30, 5F
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05/21 12:30, 57分鐘前 , 6F
雷迷：生活不如意
05/21 12:30, 6F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 7F
所以當年馬刺也幹了…是這個意思嗎？
05/21 12:31, 7F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 8F
這篇我只能說 全對
05/21 12:31, 8F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 9F
box迷只看罰球數 覺得很公平
05/21 12:31, 9F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 10F
全對
05/21 12:31, 10F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 11F
在晃飛敵人後撞上去買飯的球員跟認真打球的球員，
05/21 12:31, 11F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 12F
阿銀選擇了前者當冠軍
05/21 12:31, 12F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 13F
隨變一個人出來寫文章都可以紅這就是流量啊
05/21 12:31, 13F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 14F
不是吧，是靠乾爹
05/21 12:31, 14F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 15F
只有某些人可以得了便宜又賣乖 繼續瞎眼說話
05/21 12:31, 15F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 16F
確實 沒有髒沒有哨 就是個普通球隊
05/21 12:31, 16F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 17F
贏球就好
05/21 12:31, 17F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 18F
雷迷：這個人肯定是刺迷或雷黑或寄生迷
05/21 12:31, 18F
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05/21 12:31, 56分鐘前 , 19F
早在史騰時期的民調 米國民眾對於NBA的負面觀感
05/21 12:31, 19F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 20F
真小動作 始終如一
05/21 12:32, 20F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 21F
馬刺需要一個幹髒活的 年輕人打球太乾淨沒人會怕你
05/21 12:32, 21F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 22F
阿銀聯盟以來不都是這樣 第一次看球？
05/21 12:32, 22F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 23F
就是官方假球了 這點一直沒變
05/21 12:32, 23F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 24F
全對 好手好腳的不好好打球靠實力決勝負
05/21 12:32, 24F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 25F
確實 我甚至覺得沒裁犬這球隊就附加賽等級
05/21 12:32, 25F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 26F
同意
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 27F
去年打金塊也是這樣
05/21 12:32, 27F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 28F
確實
05/21 12:32, 28F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 29F
AE:只能祈禱他不進！就問不這樣要怎麼贏呢
05/21 12:32, 29F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 30F
馬刺真慘，上次遇到勇zaza 也是
05/21 12:32, 30F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 31F
你有問過阿銀嗎
05/21 12:32, 31F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 32F
哈波的傷勢如何了？ 沒看到消息
05/21 12:32, 32F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 33F
0數據全部都感覺文 只黑雷霆找鄉民寫也全對推爆
05/21 12:32, 33F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 34F
骯髒
05/21 12:32, 34F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 35F
骯髒已經和球技融為一體了 所以即使你特別問他們這
05/21 12:32, 35F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 36F
場有沒有髒 可能也回答不上來 他們覺得是正常打球
05/21 12:32, 36F
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05/21 12:32, 55分鐘前 , 37F
而已
05/21 12:32, 37F
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05/21 12:33, 54分鐘前 , 38F
被發現了
05/21 12:33, 38F
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05/21 12:33, 54分鐘前 , 39F
這篇好直接
05/21 12:33, 39F
還有 270 則推文
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05/21 13:03, 24分鐘前 , 310F
即使是足球也沒到現在NBA如此的誇張
05/21 13:03, 310F
噓
05/21 13:03, 24分鐘前 , 311F
又再講以前，那雷霆以前就靠裁判現在也是
05/21 13:03, 311F
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05/21 13:04, 23分鐘前 , 312F
去年也被罵爛了
05/21 13:04, 312F
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05/21 13:04, 23分鐘前 , 313F
NBA屌的是 即使所有觀眾 記者 球員 退役球員都在說
05/21 13:04, 313F
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05/21 13:04, 23分鐘前 , 314F
裁判不公 他們還是沒有要收斂的意思
05/21 13:04, 314F
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05/21 13:04, 23分鐘前 , 315F
勇迷幫雷霆說話是因為敵人一致是你沾
05/21 13:04, 315F
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05/21 13:04, 23分鐘前 , 316F
上面還有人在偷渡你沾沒哨 笑死 4-0被橫掃扯一堆
05/21 13:04, 316F
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05/21 13:05, 22分鐘前 , 317F
沒差 繼續看
05/21 13:05, 317F
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05/21 13:06, 21分鐘前 , 318F
NBA就是這種爛裁判還一種愛看不看隨便你的態度
05/21 13:06, 318F
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05/21 13:07, 20分鐘前 , 319F
那要怎麼樣，你會拒看嗎？ 拒看我就給你瑞士杯
05/21 13:07, 319F
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05/21 13:07, 20分鐘前 , 320F
講到報應，可愛還不夠還是不是，現在連這票小朋友
05/21 13:07, 320F
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05/21 13:07, 20分鐘前 , 321F
都不放過
05/21 13:07, 321F
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05/21 13:07, 20分鐘前 , 322F
真的噁
05/21 13:07, 322F
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05/21 13:08, 19分鐘前 , 323F
金州雷霆迷會噓這篇
05/21 13:08, 323F
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05/21 13:08, 19分鐘前 , 324F
OKC有主席裸照484，12年黑雷，去年今年又來
05/21 13:08, 324F
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05/21 13:09, 18分鐘前 , 325F
We hate thunder
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05/21 13:09, 18分鐘前 , 326F
垃圾髒雷
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05/21 13:09, 18分鐘前 , 327F
太粗暴惹= =
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05/21 13:10, 17分鐘前 , 328F
真的是噁心到不行
05/21 13:10, 328F
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05/21 13:10, 17分鐘前 , 329F
這隊真的滿可悲的，過往連霸球隊能招黑也能有大量球
05/21 13:10, 329F
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05/21 13:10, 17分鐘前 , 330F
迷，黑雷只能招黑，呵呵
05/21 13:10, 330F
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05/21 13:11, 16分鐘前 , 331F
真的有雷霆迷喔 很好笑
05/21 13:11, 331F
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05/21 13:11, 16分鐘前 , 332F
拉基MVP
05/21 13:11, 332F
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05/21 13:11, 16分鐘前 , 333F
就一句話 噁心 打人還裝無辜
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05/21 13:11, 16分鐘前 , 334F
完全事實
05/21 13:11, 334F
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05/21 13:11, 16分鐘前 , 335F
確實如此
05/21 13:11, 335F
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05/21 13:12, 15分鐘前 , 336F
裁判:我們公平些今天就是馬刺2-0了,怎麼約G7?
05/21 13:12, 336F
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05/21 13:12, 15分鐘前 , 337F
全對！
05/21 13:12, 337F
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05/21 13:12, 15分鐘前 , 338F
季後噓到XX 這兩年雷霆最多
05/21 13:12, 338F
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05/21 13:12, 15分鐘前 , 339F
確實
05/21 13:12, 339F
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05/21 13:13, 14分鐘前 , 340F
抓手臂真的是娘砲行為，用肩膀用肌肉頂開阿，拉拉
05/21 13:13, 340F
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05/21 13:13, 14分鐘前 , 341F
扯扯的裁犬又放縱真的難看
05/21 13:13, 341F
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05/21 13:15, 12分鐘前 , 342F
阿銀：看我收視率
05/21 13:15, 342F
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05/21 13:16, 11分鐘前 , 343F
勇士不就靠打傷對手和八打五，全美公認的捏
05/21 13:16, 343F
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05/21 13:16, 11分鐘前 , 344F
這是在陳述事實
05/21 13:16, 344F
噓
05/21 13:17, 10分鐘前 , 345F
斑馬G1卡位切特 也是又抱又抓 進攻籃板就被完爆 就
05/21 13:17, 345F
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05/21 13:17, 10分鐘前 , 346F
沒看到有人出來喊
05/21 13:17, 346F
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05/21 13:17, 10分鐘前 , 347F
確實
05/21 13:17, 347F
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05/21 13:17, 10分鐘前 , 348F
只能證明聯盟為了賺錢可以多偏袒
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05/21 13:18, 9分鐘前 , 349F
馬刺到底哪裡打球乾淨==
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