[新聞] Guidry can impart firsthand knowledge to rookie

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重點 1. Guidry相信張伯倫還是會回去當先發投手, 但如果他沒法回去當先發, Guidry反而感到忌妒。Guidry說他心裡最希望的是當個後援投手, 雖然他是當先發幹得很棒, 但內心深處想當個後援投手。(Gator你說真的還是在騙小孩子) 2. 昨天比賽時Guidry和張伯倫閒聊幾個小時, 洋基讓張伯倫先上來嚐嚐後援的角色, Gator則說自己本來是當後援的, 直到今天還希望有個機會上去試試這角色。 2. Guidry在小聯盟時主要是當後援, 那也是他想幹的角色, 問題是那時洋基的救援投手被Sparky Lyle占著, 他沒機會搶到這位子, 只好卡在先發輪值裡 3. "卡在先發輪值裡"反而是張伯倫想要的, 只是現在是搶季後賽的關鍵時刻, 便把張伯倫轉為後援更能幫助球隊, 季後他還是會回先發的角色。 4. Gator的故事告訴我們, 年輕人的生涯繞點路沒關係, 就像寶貝碰(Papelbon)一樣, 如果洋基覺得牛棚裡更需要張伯倫, 讓他當後援的時間可以延伸到這一季以後。(Gator 你不要害人, 照Torre的用法..., 莫非要他接MO的位子) 5. Gator說, 張伯倫讓他有點想起Goose(Gossage), Goose是他在洋基球員時代最偉大的救援投手, 他說張伯倫可以投出剛猛的快速球, 難打滑球, 碰到他的打者可想見有多難過。 6. 張伯倫昨天投了完美的第八局守住一分的差距, 被球迷捧到天上(再加上Gator的洗腦) 說, 他以前幹先發不知道, 當後援有完全不同的壓力, 那會帶來腎上腺的刺激, 是完全不同難以言諭的美妙經驗。 7. 就Guidry所瞭解的, 就算張伯倫需幹幾年後援, 還是可以毫無問題的回到先發。他說如果有些人的能耐只能投30, 40球, 要他在一場球投100球當然很困難, 但是如果有些人明明可投100球, 讓他幹後援幾年再當先發還是沒什麼問題。 8. Guidry本來在小聯盟是當先發養的, 但洋基覺得他長得太小隻可能無法當個大投手, 因此之後一直到1975年升上大聯盟前的一些年都讓他在小聯盟當後援, 上了大聯盟後 75, 76兩年便是後援, 本來77年也計畫讓他當後援, 只是洋基在4月29用Dock Ellis 交易了Mike Torrez, 需要一個先發投手。Torrez本來是弄來當先發的, 但辦不到。洋基知道Guidry本來也是先發投手便決定讓他上, 結果他投了8又1/3局完封了水手, 以2比0拿到勝利。那年他先發25場拿到16勝7敗, 隔年35場先發拿到25勝3敗, 拿到賽揚獎。但他心中渴望的日子還是來了, 1979年Gossage受傷了, 他便當了三場救援。之後他跑到總教練Billy Martin的辦公室說, 他還是想當個後援投手。Martin告訴他, 他大概瘋了了, 拿了25勝的先發投手沒人笨到會讓他去當救援投手, Martin說會找人去替補輪不到他。Gator在1977-1985年當先發投手成績是154勝67敗, 他是那個時期也是洋基歷史上最好的先發投手之一。他仍然讓人津津樂道的是他如雷射線般的快速球, 以及在本壘突然消失的滑球。如果他能夠一兩天丟個一局,應該會每五天投八局投得更是嚇嚇叫。(最後一句的猜想, Gator你真的這麼想嗎?) 9. 這個故事告訴張伯倫, 為了洋基的需要可以幹個幾年的後援, 之後還是可以跟Gator 一樣變成一個偉大的先發投手。(記者你別來亂) Gator你很偉大也很令人崇拜, 但張伯倫想當先發就讓他當, 別講個偉大的故事讓人心情動搖好不好? Guidry can impart firsthand knowledge to rookie Tuesday, August 14, 2007 from www.nj.com NEW YORK -- Ron Guidry believes Joba Chamberlain will go back to being a starting pitcher. But if he doesn't, Guidry is going to be jealous. "That's what I wanted to be -- a reliever," the Yankees' pitching coach said. "I had a great time starting, and I did the best job I could do. But deep down inside, I wished I'd been a relief pitcher." Chatting in the Yankees' dugout a few hours before last night's game, Guidry was answering questions about Chamberlain, the Yankee phenom who's getting his first taste of the major leagues in a relief role. Guidry himself broke in as a reliever, and to this day he still wishes he'd had the chance to remain one. "That's what I had done in the minor leagues, and it's what I wanted to do," Guidry said. "The only problem was, Sparky Lyle was here. And I couldn't very well take the job away from him. So I got stuck in the rotation." It's all about your perspective, of course, and "stuck in the rotation" is what Chamberlain hopes and expects to be. It's been only a few weeks since the Yankees converted him into a reliever because they determined that's the way he could best help them in this season's pennant push. Their plan, once this season is over, is to make him a starter again. But Guidry's story teaches us that the plan and the vision you have for your career when it's young can always take a detour. If Chamberlain takes to his current role, and if the Yankees decide they have a greater need for him in the bullpen, then he could, like Boston's Jonathan Papelbon, end up a relief pitcher even beyond this season. "He kind of reminds me of Goose (Gossage) a little bit," Guidry said, invoking the great closer of his own Yankee days. "You know he's going to throw hard. Hard fastball, hard slider, hard everything, and you're still going to have a hard time hitting it." High praise for a 21-year-old who's been in the majors for a week. Right now, Chamberlain's still trying to get used to a lot of things, including what it's like to sit in the bullpen all game not knowing if you're going to pitch. But last night, when he pitched a perfect eighth inning with a one-run lead in his first Yankee Stadium game with the fans chanting (and mispronouncing) his first name , was a rush. "It's a feeling like you can't describe," Chamberlain said. "You're put in tough situations a lot as a starter, but this was a little different kind of pressure. It's an adrenaline rush you don't get as a starter." The way Guidry sees it, if Chamberlain does have to be a reliever for a few years, he still could go back to starting without any problem. "You've got to have been a starter to be able to do it and revert back to it," Guidry said. "If you've got a guy who's only ever thrown 30, 40 pitches, it's tough to shoot him up to 100. But if you have a guy who's thrown 100 pitches in a game, you can stick him in the pen for years and he could still be a starter." Guidry began his minor-league career as a starter, but the Yankees feared he might be too small to hold up. So he spent a couple of years as a minor-league reliever before his promotion to the majors in 1975. He was used mainly as a reliever in '75 and '76, and the plan was to use him as a reliever in '77, too. But on April 29, two days after the Yankees had traded Dock Ellis for Mike Torrez, they needed a starting pitcher. Torrez was supposed to get the start, but he hadn't arrived yet. So the Yankees, knowing Guidry had been a starter before, asked him if he'd do it. Not only did he do it, he pitched 8 1/3 shutout innings in a 2-0 victory over Seattle. The Yankees had found something, and they weren't about to give it up. Guidry made 25 starts that season and finished 16-7. The following year, he made 35 starts (and no relief appearances), went 25-3 and won the Cy Young Award. But the itch never went away. In 1979, when Gossage got hurt and Guidry filled in as the closer for three games, he went into manager Billy Martin's office and told him he'd still like to be a relief pitcher. "He just looked at me and said, 'Fat chance,'" Guidry said. "After you win 25 games one year, they think you're crazy. Where are they going to get somebody to do that?" From 1977-85, working almost exclusively as a starting pitcher, Guidry won 154 games and lost 67. He was one of the best starting pitchers of his time and one of the best in Yankees history, always retaining the wistful belief that his laser-beam fastball and disappearing slider would have been even more effective one inning every couple of days than eight innings every five days. The lesson for Joba Chamberlain? You can break in as a reliever and still be a great starter. Even if you don't want to. Dan Graziano may be reached at dgraziano@starledger.com. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.132.198.21

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