[洋基] Assessing Wang’s 2009 future

看板NY-Yankees作者 (耿秋)時間16年前 (2009/05/23 22:56), 編輯推噓40(40040)
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看看這篇   太急著放小王上來,看來不是什麼好事。從小王5月12日開始投復建賽,洋基本來有 30天的時間可以修正小王的問題,但Chamberlain被球打中後,一切卻亂了套,洋基牛棚 人手不足,本來是可以叫上Dave Robertson或Mark Melancon上來,但為了以防 Chamberlain無法先發,洋基決定讓小王離開傷兵名單。   22晚洋基這個不適當的處理的結果是,小王球速是出來了,但放球點的問題並沒有修 正好,所以有球速,但小王根本無法穩定地控制他的球,好的時候伸卡會掉,滑球角度也 漂亮,但不好的時候什麼也沒有發生,結果便是昨晚的結果,ERA從34.50降到了25.0,但 昨晚的表現是ERA 6.00, WHIP 2.33,是比被打爆時好了,但問題現在洋基不敢讓他先發 ,放他在牛棚,危急要保住勝利時洋基敢讓控球不穩定的小王上來嗎? 結果讓他在牛棚擔 任的是整個投手群中最不重要的長中繼,所謂的長中繼便是,先發投手有狀況,不管是受 了傷還是已經控制不住場面,才輪得到長中繼上場。   現在的情況是如果小王的放球點的問題如果沒有修正好,洋基已經沒辦法再放他去小 聯盟了,除非他們可以"找到"新的傷。這個太急的處理,現在洋基必須面對關於小王的頭 痛問題了。 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/05/assessing-wangs-2009-future-12115/ Assessing Wang’s 2009 future By Benjamin Kabak When Chien-Ming Wang made his first AAA start on May 12, he started his rehab clock. From that point on, the Yankees had 30 days in which they could do whatever they wanted with Wang. The team could have chosen for him to pitch at AAA or A, for Tampa at the Yanks’ complex or for Scranton who needs bodies to start right now. They could have taken until June 11 to have work on his woefully bad mechanics, his inconsistent release point and his lower body and arm strength. Instead, as soon as one of their pitchers who probably won’t even miss a start got hurt, they panicked. Following a 0.2 inning outing by Joba Chamberlain cut short due to a line drive to the upper shin and an 8.1 inning bullpen effort, the Yanks activated Wang from the disabled list and stuck him into some hybrid long relief/mop-up man role. Instead of recalling David Robertson or Mark Melancon, instead of simply waiting it out until it became clear that Joba wouldn’t be able to start on Tuesday, the Yanks hit the panic switch. Last night, they started paying the cost of this poor move. By the time Wang entered the game in the 7th inning, the Yanks were nearing their first loss in nine games. They were down 5-1, and Wang promptly made sure that deficit grew. By the time Matt Stairs lined out to Robinson Cano to end the Phillies’ half of the 8th, Wang had lowered his ERA from 34.50 to an even 25.00, but to focus on the 9.50-run decrease would be to ignore the reality of Wang’s situation. That reality is simply that the Yanks have left themselves up the proverbial creek without a paddle. When his night was over, Wang’s line wasn’t pretty. In three innings of work, he allowed seven baserunners and two earned runs. He surrendered a stunningly crushed home run to Raul Ibañez and seemed to be throwing with little ability to control where the ball went. Sometimes, the sinker would sink; sometimes, the slider would slide; other times, nothing would happen. On the night, Wang’s 6.00 ERA and his 2.33 WHIP were vast improvements over his season numbers, but where do the Yankees go from here? Wang certainly hasn ’t done anything to unseat Phil Hughes from the rotation. While Hughes has battled inconsistency and ineffectiveness, he’ll give the Yanks five or six innings of seemingly average-to-above average pitching. Wang can’t even do that right now. The Yanks can’t really use Wang as a reliever in a tight spot out of the pen either. Would you trust him in a close game? So the Yanks had a glorified mop-up man on their hands. Meanwhile, they haven’t really fixed what I think was the problem. In two previous posts here and here, Mike and I examined Wang’s pitch f/x results and determined that his release point was both off and completely inconsistent. Dan Novick, a long-time RAB reader and writer at Statistically Speaking, examined Wang’s relief outing. While Wang’s velocity was up, Novick determined that the Yanks haven’t fixed the release point issue. Basically, then, as a panic move, they deactivated Wang nearly three weeks before they had to. He wasn’t ready to pitch in the Majors, and the team isn ’t really ready to make any sort of use out of him. The Yanks don’t really have choices here. They can’t send him down, and unless they “find” another injury, he’ll have to work out these issues while pitching out of a mop-up spot in the pen. He’s also taking up a valuable roster spot with Brian Bruney’s status seemingly up in the air. Over the last few years, the Yankees have generally done a good job of balancing their roster and making use of their open spots on both the 25- and 40-man. This move though defies baseball logic, and Brian Cashman, Joe Girardi and Dave Eiland will now have to fix Chien-Ming Wang without the luxury of a rehab clock. Joba got a bruise; the Yanks panicked; and now they’ ll pay the price with this Wang-related headache. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 61.225.145.15

05/23 22:59, , 1F
只能說去年那個跑壘代價真的太大了...乖乖出局就好啦
05/23 22:59, 1F
※ 編輯: leddy 來自: 61.225.145.15 (05/23 22:59)

05/23 22:59, , 2F
可是現在的牛棚也差不多抖啊...唉...
05/23 22:59, 2F

05/23 22:59, , 3F
Swisher:看樣子林北又要上場了!!
05/23 22:59, 3F

05/23 23:00, , 4F
可是王說他準備好了 (小聲)
05/23 23:00, 4F

05/23 23:00, , 5F
其實我有個問題是,小王狀況好的滑球和常用的伸卡出手點有差?
05/23 23:00, 5F

05/23 23:03, , 6F
想看的話再貼另一篇...
05/23 23:03, 6F

05/23 23:04, , 7F
可以貼貼看阿
05/23 23:04, 7F

05/23 23:26, , 8F
尊重一個連兩年19勝的投手意願比較重要!
05/23 23:26, 8F

05/23 23:29, , 9F
放他繼續屠殺3A 未必能找回更完美的狀態
05/23 23:29, 9F

05/23 23:40, , 10F
誰又預知得到跑壘會出事?
05/23 23:40, 10F

05/23 23:49, , 11F
尊重XD
05/23 23:49, 11F

05/23 23:51, , 12F
王版死忠迷:這文章膽敢不尊重連2年19勝,已準備好的投手bala~
05/23 23:51, 12F

05/23 23:51, , 13F
套句某版友說的話(忘記是哪位)
05/23 23:51, 13F

05/23 23:52, , 14F
這裡可以討論王?!
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05/23 23:53, , 15F
如果將投手名字蓋掉再拿數據給你看 還會說要尊重他嗎?
05/23 23:53, 15F

05/23 23:54, , 16F
3A已經沒甚麼好練了
05/23 23:54, 16F

05/24 00:00, , 17F
這次上場很明顯就是不及格 離及格邊緣還好長一段距離
05/24 00:00, 17F

05/24 00:02, , 18F
Phillies的打線有多可怕,你不知道嗎...?
05/24 00:02, 18F

05/24 00:03, , 19F
及格? 要投的怎樣才叫及格?
05/24 00:03, 19F

05/24 00:03, , 20F
對!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!假如今天把名字遮掉,表現真的
05/24 00:03, 20F

05/24 00:04, , 21F
及格!!但是,要與之前幾場球賽做個比較阿!還有,這是
05/24 00:04, 21F

05/24 00:05, , 22F
短暫的中繼,我想保守一點得作法,應該看下一場中繼的
05/24 00:05, 22F

05/24 00:06, , 23F
表現而定。已經有進步了....當然,還可以更好!
05/24 00:06, 23F

05/24 00:07, , 24F
上面打錯@@,應為"不及格"(光看帳面上數據)
05/24 00:07, 24F

05/24 00:17, , 25F
6.0era是及格成績 (筆記)
05/24 00:17, 25F

05/24 00:31, , 26F
洋基怕的就是王一上來還是被打到爆掉 三局失兩分當然不能說好
05/24 00:31, 26F

05/24 00:32, , 27F
但至少沒有爆掉 滾球風格也有回來的跡象
05/24 00:32, 27F

05/24 00:42, , 28F
我最高興的是球速有回到92~95 雖然控球還是有些囧
05/24 00:42, 28F

05/24 00:59, , 29F
老是要把名字遮掉,有些人是有病是不是......
05/24 00:59, 29F

05/24 01:00, , 30F
名字都遮掉,有些人開季就被fire啦,有夠小白.......
05/24 01:00, 30F

05/24 01:05, , 31F
哈哈哈,乾脆連薪水也遮掉好了
05/24 01:05, 31F

05/24 01:17, , 32F
真要講的話某人ERA7.06,真的夠資格取代王?
05/24 01:17, 32F

05/24 01:18, , 33F
把某人的名字遮掉EAR7.06很猛?笑死人了
05/24 01:18, 33F

05/24 01:18, , 34F
夠,因為王建民的ERA是25
05/24 01:18, 34F

05/24 01:19, , 35F
王的25是腦殘教練團下什麼禁跑害的吧?到爆了才開始讓王
05/24 01:19, 35F

05/24 01:19, , 36F
跑,某人好像沒有讓人禁跑EAR也不低啊
05/24 01:19, 36F

05/24 01:19, , 37F
XDDDDD,好啦;你爽就好,反正現在還是某人在輪值裡
05/24 01:19, 37F

05/24 01:20, , 38F
是啊某人若不是因為現金人想證明自己沒拿他換山大王是正
05/24 01:20, 38F

05/24 01:21, , 39F
確的決定,EAR7.06也早就該到三A報到了
05/24 01:21, 39F

05/24 01:21, , 40F
我想Hughes的耳朵不低應該是搭配他的臉型來著...
05/24 01:21, 40F

05/24 01:21, , 41F
..XD
05/24 01:21, 41F

05/24 01:23, , 42F
喔,某人被改了arm slot之後,不只球速變慢
05/24 01:23, 42F

05/24 01:23, , 43F
連12-6的曲球也差點不見
05/24 01:23, 43F

05/24 01:26, , 44F
王若有這麼差,那就不用找一堆理由讓王進DL、直接下放
05/24 01:26, 44F

05/24 01:26, , 45F
反正ERA3X,也沒人會撿,問題在王的情況有很大的原因是
05/24 01:26, 45F

05/24 01:27, , 46F
是那鳥禁跑搞出來的,不然為何不敢下放?
05/24 01:27, 46F

05/24 01:27, , 47F
Hughes真有這麼棒先拿下十勝再說吧= ="
05/24 01:27, 47F

05/24 01:28, , 48F
就不能下放 不然要給別人撿?
05/24 01:28, 48F

05/24 01:28, , 49F
又是勝投XDDDDDDDDD
05/24 01:28, 49F

05/24 01:28, , 50F
如果真的不重視王 早就讓王給別人撿了阿
05/24 01:28, 50F

05/24 01:28, , 51F
是啊,就是怕人撿,代表的是王還是有行情在
05/24 01:28, 51F

05/24 01:28, , 52F
不太懂,洋基有不好的地方大家都知道
05/24 01:28, 52F

05/24 01:29, , 53F
當洋基已經拼命補救的時候,還是不滿意
05/24 01:29, 53F

05/24 01:29, , 54F
那請把某人ERA降到四以下再來說吧= =
05/24 01:29, 54F

05/24 01:29, , 55F
然後就圍繞在那個「早知道」的點上
05/24 01:29, 55F

05/24 01:29, , 56F
那你怎麼不說王ERA先降到10以下...
05/24 01:29, 56F

05/24 01:30, , 57F
搞不懂一些人的心態,好像王投不好很開心一樣
05/24 01:30, 57F

05/24 01:30, , 58F
來,我們來看這篇文 http://0rz.tw/hXSy1
05/24 01:30, 58F

05/24 01:30, , 59F
再怎說,也是自己的同胞吧,有些人心態真的很怪
05/24 01:30, 59F

05/24 01:30, , 60F
看完你再來罵也不遲XD
05/24 01:30, 60F

05/24 01:30, , 61F
同胞論XD
05/24 01:30, 61F

05/24 01:30, , 62F
沒有人開心阿 只是王真的有實力 就一定會有他的位置
05/24 01:30, 62F

05/24 01:31, , 63F
對啊、同胞論,至少比酸言酸語的某些人好
05/24 01:31, 63F

05/24 01:32, , 64F
05/24 01:32, 64F

05/24 01:32, , 65F
appshjkli你的文章是一回事,我覺得你的心態很怪罷了
05/24 01:32, 65F

05/24 01:33, , 66F
你這樣盲目支持 跟酸言酸語的差在哪
05/24 01:33, 66F

05/24 01:33, , 67F
那可不是我的文章阿XD,那是人家隨隊記者寫的XDD
05/24 01:33, 67F

05/24 01:33, , 68F
支持王就相信他有那實力能證明他是個19勝等級的先發阿
05/24 01:33, 68F

05/24 01:38, , 69F
唔 其實他證明過了
05/24 01:38, 69F

05/24 02:05, , 70F
盲目支持? 是人都會有低潮 王這時最需要我們的支持
05/24 02:05, 70F

05/24 02:08, , 71F
所以批評Hughes比王弱 不夠格暫代先發 就是支持了嗎
05/24 02:08, 71F

05/24 02:08, , 72F
需要你個貂 = = 你以為悟空集元氣彈阿
05/24 02:08, 72F

05/24 02:10, , 73F
還是那句話,這裡談到小王要很小心,不過這次比較好,
05/24 02:10, 73F

05/24 02:10, , 74F
Hughes真可憐不知道招誰惹誰了
05/24 02:10, 74F

05/24 02:11, , 75F
沒有出面趕人去王版
05/24 02:11, 75F

05/24 02:11, , 76F
真的很可憐 上來練個經驗值 就要被罵到灰頭土臉
05/24 02:11, 76F

05/24 02:35, , 77F
因為戰場已經轉到王版去了 某篇文章可以轉就可了XD
05/24 02:35, 77F

05/24 06:59, , 78F
Hughes真可憐不知道招誰惹誰了+1
05/24 06:59, 78F

05/24 08:45, , 79F
他又沒說要支持Hughes XDD
05/24 08:45, 79F

05/24 19:39, , 80F
要完全沒失投球的投手?拿3000萬/年來或叫神來投吧!
05/24 19:39, 80F
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