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Re: [翻譯] 本季25個你不懂的棒球事已刪文

看板NY-Yankees作者 (YYman)時間15年前 (2010/09/20 00:57), 編輯推噓23(23推 0噓 8→)
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這邊可以參考這篇文章 http://bit.ly/9adJhv UZR:代表的是讓球員守滿150場比賽會比同位置平均水準的野手多守住幾分。上場時間門檻 ：內野手必須守滿100場比賽，外野手必須守滿81場比賽。 Tuesday, March 23, 2010 "Teixeira, UZR and clutchness" Mark Teixeira 08年UZR為10.7，09年為-3.6 Bob Klapisch(The Record 和 Fox Sports的記者)有跟他本人提起這事 當然，他本人認為場上的表現是比數據準確的 這時Bob也說出了UZR的缺點 "I do agree with his sentiment about UZR』s inability to account for his ability to pick the ball at 1B. As I stated in a post about the Yankees defense last week, UZR tends to undervalue 1B』s and overvalue C』s. One of the biggest problems, as Tex points out above, is that UZR does not give a 1B any more credit for scooping balls, and Tex is as good as it gets." UZR對於捕手數據往往是高估，而一壘手是低估的。而Tex擅長的傳短後的撈球，在UZR是沒 有修正的。於是Bob又引進了Dewan Plus-Minus (+/-)，在09年Tex的DPM為0，但在2006- 2008，Tex是全聯盟排名第6的+22 (Albert Pujols +82 ) players don't have the ability to perform above their true talent level in high pressure situations. If players did have this "clutch" ability, then there shoul -ld be some repeatable statistical evidence to prove it - that is, the player should show that he performs above his talent level in "clutch" situations year after year. 這時拿出Clutch論點了.. Which one is the "clutch" hitter? * Player A - .317/.388/.459 * Player B - .313/.383/.479 A&B都是 Jeter,A為季賽，B為季後賽。可以看到，數據是相差無幾，也就是說， Jeter是一個Clutch Hitter Clutch是數據上看不出來的，但是卻是比賽中重要的因素，尤其是在高強度的比賽中。 Tex has a point regarding UZR, but he is way off base when it comes to the clutch abilities of his teammates. 所以Clutch也可以拿來解釋洋基病嘍? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 122.118.33.193
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09/20 01:02, , 1F
洋基病是什麼病
09/20 01:02, 1F
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09/20 01:06, , 2F
三壘有人一出局送不回來
09/20 01:06, 2F
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09/20 01:06, , 3F
Pavano跟Vazquez?
09/20 01:06, 3F
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09/20 01:06, , 4F
我耍笨 哈哈
09/20 01:06, 4F
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09/20 01:21, , 5F
二樓的問題之前在棒球板有人問立刻被打臉
09/20 01:21, 5F
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09/20 01:22, , 6F
怎麼被打臉的啊?
09/20 01:22, 6F
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09/20 01:28, , 7F
09/20 01:28, 7F
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09/20 01:41, , 8F
但是2f是洋基打線其中一人耶
09/20 01:41, 8F
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09/20 02:02, , 9F
我也認為認為場上的表現是比數據準確
09/20 02:02, 9F
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09/20 02:05, , 10F
剛去朝聖了XDD
09/20 02:05, 10F
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09/20 02:12, , 11F
數據不就是從場上表現來的嗎= =?
09/20 02:12, 11F
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09/20 02:25, , 12F
場上表現不代表都會被數據採納阿 = =
09/20 02:25, 12F
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09/20 02:28, , 13F
那請問什麼情況下3壘有人1出局的得分不會被數據採納?
09/20 02:28, 13F
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09/20 02:33, , 14F
他是在說守備吧
09/20 02:33, 14F
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09/20 02:34, , 15F
數據就是場上所有的表現總和阿...不然還分NP才計嗎..
09/20 02:34, 15F
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09/20 02:35, , 16F
阿這篇不是在講三壘有人一出局送不回來嗎 關守備啥事
09/20 02:35, 16F
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09/20 02:36, , 17F
....明明是推文
09/20 02:36, 17F
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09/20 02:36, , 18F
洋基病大概是種球看太少的病吧
09/20 02:36, 18F
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09/20 02:37, , 19F
這篇哪裡講到三壘有人一出局送不回來= =
09/20 02:37, 19F
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09/20 02:46, , 20F
請問可以借轉MLB版嗎?
09/20 02:46, 20F
※ Scape:轉錄至看板 MLB 09/20 02:48
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09/20 02:48, , 21F
借轉MLB板 感謝
09/20 02:48, 21F
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09/20 05:34, , 22F
推文蠻好笑的 XD 洋基病是因為太常被民視轉播吧....
09/20 05:34, 22F
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09/20 05:37, , 23F
要是多轉播其他球隊比賽,可能又會有新的名詞出現....
09/20 05:37, 23F
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09/20 06:57, , 24F
有阿 之前民視轉撥響尾蛇 就說他們每天都要找一種方
09/20 06:57, 24F
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09/20 06:57, , 25F
法輸球
09/20 06:57, 25F
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09/20 11:33, , 26F
看SF+BA比較準吧?? 畢竟主要是討論三壘那一分而已
09/20 11:33, 26F
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09/21 00:01, , 27F
如果UZR的定義是這樣 那鐵爺的UZR低不是沒道理
09/21 00:01, 27F
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09/21 00:02, , 28F
因為比較起來 在洋基他守住失分的機會應該確實較低
09/21 00:02, 28F
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09/21 00:04, , 29F
因為洋基其他守位的UZR應該都比1B高吧
09/21 00:04, 29F
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09/21 00:07, , 30F
UZR這個數據似乎沒考慮到全部守備位置的連帶關係
09/21 00:07, 30F
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09/21 00:26, , 31F
NYY UZR(2010):1B -5.9 2B 1.2 SS -9.1 3B -2.9
09/21 00:26, 31F
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