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Otis trying to get Zach Randolph?

看板Orl-Magic (奧蘭多 魔術)作者 (leon)時間14年前 (2011/02/15 17:57), 編輯推噓26(26推 0噓 60→)
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RealGM上 再討論的 The biggest decisions next week before the trade deadline quietly have to be with Memphis as much as Denver. There seems almost no way with Marc Gasol also up for a new deal the Grizzlies will resign Zach Randolph. Trade him now? The Magic reportedly would be ready to make a huge offer of players and picks. But then maybe the Grizzlies don’t make the playoffs, which the owner has guaranteed as Randolph is leading the team at 20.2 points and 13.2 rebounds. http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_110214.html 國外的鄉民在討論 Jrich+Bass <-> OJ沒有+軟豆腐...之類的 大家看看就好 機會應該不大 有點長 但我覺得這個人的說的蠻有道理: A trade for Z-Bo makes sense for many reasons. First, if we could bring in Mayo and Zbo for J-rich and Bass it would be great for both teams. Orlando would get Zbo for the rest of the year and a young 2 guard to take over that spot and keep JJ as a player coming off the bench. Memphis would get J-rich who would fill their 2 guard needs, as well as be a cheaper option to keep this offseason. They also get a good, young, cheap PF to replace Z-bo. Since they are not going to resign Z-bo, they get a replacement at a cheaper rate. They can then resign Gasol and still have money to upgrade at the two or other spots if they cannot resign J-rich. However, you need to look past the immediate. After this season Z-bo will recieve a max contract from some team. That is huge because if the magic do not want to resign him (sort of like there is already talk that they wont resign J-rich if they do not win a championship this year) they can work out a sign and trade (provided it is still allowed in the new CBA) which could bring in a large trade exception and a first rounder. These pieces can be huge assets to use next year to bring in a different star. Imagine being able to package Jameer (expiring), a couple first rounders, and a huge TPE, JJ or Anderson, which would all be possible with this move, for a player like Paul or Williams. It's like chess, in order for the magic to get that second superstar, they need to think a few moves ahead. Z-Bo could very well be the key to getting the assets we need to make that possible. Also, if Z-bo did leave this offseason, and we traded only J-rich and Bass, We would open PT for Clark next season as the backup 4, As we saw against the lakers, with Bass and Anderson both healthy, Clark's minutes dropped to 10. For all you saying we can do the same with J-rich, you are wrong. First, he is not a max player this year or next. Therefore, the TPE we could get back in a sign and trade, would not be a large and teams would not be willing to give up a first rounder in that deal either. Its just my opinion, but along with trying to win a title, we also have to try to build up as many assets as possible to bring in a superstar to play alongside howard. Z-bo provides a better opportunity to collect those assets than J-rich and that is why, if possible Otis should make this deal. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.32.184.86
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02/15 18:19, , 1F
灰熊有機會進季後賽，除非又狂輸 不然怎可能丟軟豆腐
02/15 18:19, 1F
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02/15 18:33, , 2F
搶這麼大?? 不過灰熊應該不續約軟豆腐是真的
02/15 18:33, 2F
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02/15 18:34, , 3F
一句話 不期不代
02/15 18:34, 3F
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02/15 18:37, , 4F
可以不要丟J-Rich嗎?...T^T
02/15 18:37, 4F
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02/15 18:40, , 5F
反正他們也不打算續約Z-BO　交易也不易外
02/15 18:40, 5F
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02/15 18:40, , 6F
不過他正在高點 = =+ 要搶可能不太容易
02/15 18:40, 6F
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02/15 19:00, , 7F
可以把J-Rich換成Q-Rich嗎?
02/15 19:00, 7F
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02/15 19:30, , 8F
戰術沒變的話 真的不期不待
02/15 19:30, 8F
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02/15 19:53, , 9F
之前就傳過的...現在這樣換好不好其實都很難說了
02/15 19:53, 9F
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02/15 20:20, , 10F
有DH是聯盟最強內線之一 // 有DH和ZR是聯盟最強內線
02/15 20:20, 10F
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02/15 20:22, , 11F
軟豆腐約不是超貴的?兩千萬?
02/15 20:22, 11F
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02/15 20:24, , 12F
軟豆腐今年到期 明年再簽個兩三年(魔術有錢就好)
02/15 20:24, 12F
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02/15 20:24, , 13F
我有一種軟豆腐續約高價後 就變成名牌的感覺
02/15 20:24, 13F
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02/15 20:25, , 14F
軟豆腐季後賽打不好就不簽或是打對折重簽
02/15 20:25, 14F
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02/15 20:27, , 15F
快給魔獸一個內線 魔術的射手多 不差綠茶 板凳也還一杯冰著
02/15 20:27, 15F
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02/15 20:33, , 16F
魔術的2號真的不用太強 反正大范都只剩當三分砲塔
02/15 20:33, 16F
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02/15 20:46, , 17F
但我現在很愛JRICH
02/15 20:46, 17F
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02/15 20:48, , 18F
大家都愛啊 不過明年他有很大機會離開魔術 因為除了中產
02/15 20:48, 18F
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02/15 20:49, , 19F
最好操作就只剩下J Rich
02/15 20:49, 19F
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02/15 20:50, , 20F
光就三分來看O.J也可以補上J-Rich的損失
02/15 20:50, 20F
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02/15 21:14, , 21F
媽的咧這大賺啊 快點換
02/15 21:14, 21F
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02/15 21:15, , 22F
這是Otis漂白的好機會啊
02/15 21:15, 22F
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02/15 21:17, , 23F
OJ怎麼可能比JRICH好....
02/15 21:17, 23F
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02/15 21:19, , 24F
這交易關鍵在軟豆啊 軟豆來 我們禁區猛到爆
02/15 21:19, 24F
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02/15 21:36, , 25F
只看最後還以為是塞隊那軟豆 原來是軟豆腐 可兇狠了禁區
02/15 21:36, 25F
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02/15 21:39, , 26F
這交易如果成 2號就讓阿Q和JJ打就好了
02/15 21:39, 26F
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02/15 21:40, , 27F
OJ可以打到SF嗎?
02/15 21:40, 27F
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02/15 21:42, , 28F
阿Q打三號比較實在
02/15 21:42, 28F
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02/15 21:43, , 29F
要是成功的話 OJ跟JJ打二號吧 三號給HEDO跟克拉克 OR 阿Q
02/15 21:43, 29F
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02/15 21:43, , 30F
其實我們三號有火槍了 JJ OJ QQ去搶2號
02/15 21:43, 30F
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02/15 22:06, , 31F
其實這樣陣容感覺很猛耶
02/15 22:06, 31F
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02/15 22:07, , 32F
後場把尼神拉去打替補 ARENAS+OJ+HEDO+軟豆腐+魔獸
02/15 22:07, 32F
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02/15 22:08, , 33F
替補 尼神+JJ+QQ+克拉克/小安 這內線超威猛
02/15 22:08, 33F
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02/15 22:08, , 34F
外圍的天分感覺也不錯 而且OJ的防守很像也不爛
02/15 22:08, 34F
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02/15 22:09, , 35F
內線兩個20/10 打法一軟一硬 候補還有小安跟克拉克不錯
02/15 22:09, 35F
※ 編輯: y1027330 來自: 114.32.184.86 (02/15 22:36)
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02/15 22:43, , 36F
灰熊想打季後賽應該不會放軟豆腐吧 他們後場還蠻強的
02/15 22:43, 36F
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02/15 22:44, , 37F
Gasol+Bass 一軟一矮進居優勢瞬間減一半
02/15 22:44, 37F
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02/15 22:45, , 38F
灰熊明年可能簽不下軟豆腐 得到便宜的PF 只能這樣想了= =
02/15 22:45, 38F
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02/15 22:53, , 39F
以薪資空間卡這麼死 JRich留不下來機會很大 能換也不錯
02/15 22:53, 39F
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02/15 22:54, , 40F
JRICH跟軟豆腐都是到期約 只剩軟豆腐的到期約可以是續簽
02/15 22:54, 40F
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02/15 22:54, , 41F
頂級合約
02/15 22:54, 41F
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02/15 23:00, , 42F
先簽後換不知道能不能有大魚
02/15 23:00, 42F
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02/15 23:53, , 43F
之前灰熊都用Pau Gasol換K.Brown跟Marc Gaso還有什麼不可
02/15 23:53, 43F
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02/15 23:53, , 44F
能= =''
02/15 23:53, 44F
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02/16 00:01, , 45F
樓上那個不是交易是搶劫
02/16 00:01, 45F
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02/16 06:27, , 46F
老實說K.Brown當年的到期約跟Marc Gaso這種潛力新秀的確很
02/16 06:27, 46F
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02/16 06:27, , 47F
有吸引力 魔術去哪找潛力跟人家換...
02/16 06:27, 47F
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02/16 10:17, , 48F
如果是軟豆腐+oj 換 綠茶+Bass 我想灰雄會在凹個新秀也
02/16 10:17, 48F
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02/16 10:18, , 49F
說不定 而且灰熊一定很想順便逼人吃掉他們練不起來的新
02/16 10:18, 49F
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02/16 10:18, , 50F
人中鋒
02/16 10:18, 50F
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02/16 10:29, , 51F
別人當年是重建 今年又不重建 都續大約gay了 不可能換
02/16 10:29, 51F
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02/16 12:44, , 52F
灰熊今年結束沒有打算簽回軟豆腐 所以換個便宜的BASS
02/16 12:44, 52F
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02/16 12:45, , 53F
這也是有可能的 不過這是對魔術來說的說法拉
02/16 12:45, 53F
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02/16 12:45, , 54F
灰熊也是可以拼今年拉= =''
02/16 12:45, 54F
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02/16 12:48, , 55F
要是還能A到 Thabeet 那當然更好 連替補C一起補
02/16 12:48, 55F
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02/16 12:48, , 56F
不過這就太搶劫了
02/16 12:48, 56F
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02/16 12:49, , 57F
灰熊現在積極想交易 Thabeet 再來是OJ
02/16 12:49, 57F
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02/16 13:45, , 58F
Thabeet魔術應該養不起來
02/16 13:45, 58F
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02/16 13:45, , 59F
他現在應該比鍋貼剛來美國時還難養
02/16 13:45, 59F
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02/16 20:22, , 60F
到期約綠茶換豆腐, Bass換沒有..灰熊何必呢= =
02/16 20:22, 60F
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02/17 08:01, , 61F
灰熊是說想要個標準的SG 所以綠茶算是她們想要的人 況且OJ
02/17 08:01, 61F
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02/17 08:01, , 62F
他們幾乎沒在用 問題只在於他們有多看中軟豆腐了
02/17 08:01, 62F
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02/17 09:06, , 63F
目前OJ只是這季出了狀況 實力是有的 拆成2比來看
02/17 09:06, 63F
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02/17 09:06, , 64F
綠茶換軟豆腐保證我們搶 軟豆腐現在至高點 20 10的數據
02/17 09:06, 64F
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02/17 09:07, , 65F
Bass換OJ 也會是我們搶 畢竟OJ前2季也是有著15分以上的
02/17 09:07, 65F
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02/17 09:07, , 66F
能力 基本上除非我們還要吃他們一張濫約 我們貼其他球員
02/17 09:07, 66F
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02/17 09:08, , 67F
否則只有軟豆腐OJ換綠茶Bass保證是搶錢交易無誤
02/17 09:08, 67F
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02/17 09:14, , 68F
怎麼交易都會有一方 怎麼可能有完全平等的交易...
02/17 09:14, 68F
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02/17 09:15, , 69F
只要雙方都拿到需要的球員對雙方都算好交易
02/17 09:15, 69F
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02/17 09:16, , 70F
我認為灰雄不需要我們的包裹 反正要軟豆腐綠茶的交易
02/17 09:16, 70F
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02/17 09:17, , 71F
他大可以不必這季就交易 別忘了他們有機會搶季後門票
02/17 09:17, 71F
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02/17 09:18, , 72F
所以開始希望灰熊戰機變爛 不過很像來不及了= =
02/17 09:18, 72F
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02/17 09:18, , 73F
軟豆腐變成Bass 禁區就變成小Gasoft&Bass 軟糖禁區??
02/17 09:18, 73F
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02/17 09:19, , 74F
當然我也不覺得他們會這樣換 不過也不是不可能
02/17 09:19, 74F
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02/17 09:19, , 75F
綠茶也許是個戰力 不過對打季後賽的球隊 前場損失大於後
02/17 09:19, 75F
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02/17 09:20, , 76F
場 實力保證消弱 況且灰熊後場已經夠猛了
02/17 09:20, 76F
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02/17 09:20, , 77F
他們自己說想要個標準SG 如果不想花大錢留軟豆腐 有點機會
02/17 09:20, 77F
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02/17 09:54, , 78F
灰熊內線還有Arthur 他的潛力比Bass好兩級不只
02/17 09:54, 78F
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02/17 10:18, , 79F
Bass就這樣了 在強隊還是只能打替補 感覺定型了
02/17 10:18, 79F
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02/17 22:04, , 80F
不想花大錢留軟豆腐換回來綠茶..你要不要續約..還不是花錢
02/17 22:04, 80F
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02/17 22:05, , 81F
要省錢, 就放著到期, 想拿回來一點東西又想省錢也不會換綠茶.
02/17 22:05, 81F
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02/17 22:06, , 82F
以今天的新聞來看沒有就可以換到他們想要的SG了..
02/17 22:06, 82F
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02/17 22:07, , 83F
當然比不上綠茶那麼好, 但是怎麼看都灰熊虧..
02/17 22:07, 83F
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02/17 23:15, , 84F
這當然是對魔術有利的交易 所以我們才會這麼爽= =
02/17 23:15, 84F
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02/17 23:18, , 85F
另外綠茶的續約會比較便宜一點啦
02/17 23:18, 85F
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02/17 23:19, , 86F
可能綠茶+BASS的錢=軟豆腐的錢 這樣也是捕到兩個位置拉
02/17 23:19, 86F
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