[翻譯] Jay Huff 在溜馬打中鋒位置的可能性

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付費文章.. 分享過來並翻譯給板友看, 喜歡的可以去訂閱 Caitlin Cooper 最專業的女性溜馬分析師 - 喜歡她的文章和分析的話請訂閱她支持她原文 : https://tinyurl.com/478kh39z 請支持溜馬寫手 On Jay Huff playing (center)field for the Pacers And the potentially bigger question of who will play the part of Andrew Nembhard for Andrew Nembhard By: Caitlin Cooper | @C2_Cooper Jay Huff 在溜馬打中鋒位置的可能性還有一個更大的問題是：誰能在 Andrew Nembhard 身邊，扮演另一個 Andrew Nembhard 的角色？作者：Caitlin Cooper | @C2_Cooper On December 29, just three days after the Pacers had played the Oklahoma City Thunder at Gainbridge Fieldhouse but long before the two teams would meet in the NBA Finals, the Memphis Grizzlies were playing the Thunder at Paycom Center. With 5:13 to play in the third quarter, Oklahoma City entered the ball to Isaiah Hartenstein at the elbow area extended, triggering an interesting reaction from reserve center Jay Huff, who the Pacers recently acquired from the Grizzlies in exchange for one second-round pick and one second-round pick swap. As soon as Hartenstein touched the ball above the break, Memphis' back-up big man, well, backed up. 12月29日，就在溜馬於主場與雷霆交手三天後（距離兩隊在總冠軍賽碰頭還有好一段時間），灰熊在 Paycom 中心對上雷霆。第三節還剩 5 分 13 秒時，雷霆將球傳給在罰球線延伸區的 Isaiah Hartenstein，這引發了溜馬剛從灰熊換來的替補中鋒 Jay Huff 的有趣反應。當 Hartenstein 接到球時，Huff 立刻大幅後退，形成明顯的退防區。 https://i.imgur.com/Pl4dq9r.gif

That wasn't a one-off, either. A few months later, Huff exhibited the exact same conditioned response, dropping wayyyy back into a one-man zone as soon as Hartenstein started steering the offense on the perimeter. 這並不是偶然。幾個月後，當 Hartenstein 再次從外圍主導進攻時，Huff 又做出一模一樣的反應——大幅退防、幾乎進入一人區域聯防模式。 https://i.imgur.com/vUt3Fw5.gif

That's a significant departure not only from how the Pacers defended the Thunder in the Finals, but also from how the Pacers defend in general. Of course, the coverage against the Thunder took on several different forms over the full-breadth of that seven-game series. 這種方式不只是與溜馬在總冠軍賽對雷霆時的防守策略大相逕庭，也與他們平時的防守體系截然不同。當然，在那場七戰系列賽中，溜馬對雷霆的防守方式其實變化多端。 In the beginning, Indiana started out next-ing (i.e. jump-switching onto the ball from the next nearest gap with the on-ball defender peel switching off to the perimeter) anytime Shai Gilgeous-Alexander was the pick-and-roll ball-handler. When Oklahoma City Thunder countered with strategic cuts and by re-arranging who was standing where (i.e. deliberating placing a big in the next nearest gap to force the defensive big for Indiana to cover more ground or jump-switch onto the ball), the Pacers dialed up the pressure, with Andrew Nembhard tracking the league MVP the full length of the floor as the bigs for Indiana also stayed up, meeting the ball at the logo and keeping their heels outside the paint against Hartenstein as a playmaker. 一開始，只要 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 操作擋拆，溜馬就採取「Next」防守策略（也就是從最近的防守空隙跳換防守人，原本的防守者則迅速轉守外圍）。當雷霆用戰術切入與站位調整（像是故意讓內線站在「Next」的位置，迫使溜馬的大個子拉出來換防）來反制時，溜馬選擇加壓，讓 Andrew Nembhard 全場黏守這位 MVP，而內線球員則前頂到中場附近，腳跟踩在禁區外，高位阻擋 Hartenstein 的組織。 https://i.imgur.com/JfcsvBh.mp4 Eventually, the answer for the Thunder was to start Hartenstein, elongating the length of the court with bone-crushing screens at the logo in Game 5, as the Thunder recorded the highest average distance from the hoop on picks in any game between any two teams this past season. After going overboard with overs and struggling to maintain the edge of the defense against those north-south attacks with the bigs defending up at the level that far from the basket, the Pacers made the necessary change to pull back on the full-court pressure in exchange for ratcheting up the frequency of double teams against Shai-Gilgeous Alexander in the half-court, which ultimately led to Indiana forcing a Game 7 (but let's not talk about Game 7, okay?). 最終，雷霆的對策是在第五戰讓 Hartenstein 先發，利用他在中場附近設置強力掩護，把進攻空間拉長。這場比賽雷霆創下本季所有球隊中「擋拆出手平均距離籃框最遠」的紀錄。面對雷霆這種從上到下、由內線強攻的打法，溜馬一開始過度採用上掩護（over）方式後效果不佳，於是他們做出調整——撤回全場壓迫，改用半場雙人包夾對付 Shai，這策略成功把比賽拖進第七戰（但我們就別提第七戰了，好嗎？）。 Quietly though, beyond just the element of surprise and the need to counter for the runway that was being created by Hartenstein's screen craft, the other benefit of that strategic adjustment was preserving Nembhard. 不過悄悄地，這個戰術調整除了針對 Hartenstein 掩護製造的「跑道」進行反制，另一個重要目的，是為了保護 Nembhard。 Remember, Haliburton was gimpy in Game 5 and mostly just ended up being used as a decoy. As a result, a big chunk of the primary initiation tilted to Nembhard, who was already responsible for playing the part of itchy sweater against the league MVP. By the end of the game, he committed three turnovers in the final frame and looked exhausted, as he struggled to complete even a simple slot-to-slot pitch. 別忘了，第五戰的 Haliburton 狀況不佳，幾乎只能當誘餌使用。因此，大部分的進攻發起責任都落到 Nembhard 身上，而他同時還得扮演「緊身毛衣」般黏死 MVP 的角色。到了比賽尾聲，他在第四節發生三次失誤，體力明顯耗盡，甚至連簡單的側翼轉傳都傳不準。 https://i.imgur.com/PAVOO0i.mp4 For that reason, the bigger question with regard to the addition of Jay Huff isn't necessarily whether the Pacers can replicate what they do offensively with him at center, but rather whether he can play centerfield at the other end of the floor (at least against certain match-ups) and what the ramifications of such a change would be on the rest of the roster and, particularly, Andrew Nembhard. 因此，Jay Huff 的加入，真正的問題不是溜馬是否能用他來複製進攻端的體系，而是在防守端——尤其是特定對位下——他是否能扮演中路掃蕩的角色，以及這樣的改變會如何影響整個陣容，尤其是 Nembhard。 On the surface, brazenly ignoring the opposing five-man in order to drop into a one-man zone, as the Warriors also did against old friend Domantas Sabonis in their 2023 first-round playoff series against the Kings, may seem like a conservative scheme, but that type of coverage actually requires a tremendous amount of energy and effort from the other four remaining players on the perimeter to apply maximum ball and lane pressure with fluid screen navigation and rigorous top-locking in order to sustain the disruption. 表面上，看似大膽無視對方中鋒、退守成為一人區域聯防的方式（就像 2023 年季後賽第一輪勇士面對老朋友 Domantas Sabonis 時所做的），可能讓人以為這是一種保守的防守策略。但事實上，這種佈陣會讓場上其他四位外圍防守球員付出極大體能與精神代價—— 他們必須持續施壓、靈活穿越掩護、並嚴密地從頂部封鎖進攻線，才能維持這樣的干擾效果。 To be fair, the fact that those players also know that a big will always be dropped to the rim can serve to embolden them in being ultra-aggressive, but ultra-aggressiveness is certainly necessary. Otherwise, with the big who is being ignored free to make passes and set up screening angles, the potential is there for the offense to play downhill and in a constant state of rhythm. 公平來說，這樣的防守也會讓其他球員更有膽量積極防守，因為他們知道禁區永遠有大個子在後方補位。但這種「極度積極」是必要條件，否則一旦對手的中鋒被放空、可以自由傳球和設置掩護角度，那麼進攻方就能從容往前推進、維持節奏不斷。 Just look at how readily available this pocket pass is from Jalen Williams when Luke Kennard gets clipped by the pick. 舉例來說，當 Luke Kennard 被掩護擋住時，Jalen Williams 的這記 pocket pass（短傳）就輕易傳出，形成直接威脅。 https://i.imgur.com/kM3uiQw.mp4 Notably, Huff steps back into the paint when Hartenstein has the ball but then steps forward to guard the hand-off and/or screening action. 值得注意的是，Huff 在 Hartenstein 持球時會先退進禁區，但當對方準備進行交球或掩護時，他又會往前補位防守。 Again, this couldn't be more different from how the Pacers operated during the Finals. After all, a unique defensive wrinkle that Indiana rolled out during that series was tagging with the low-man against the pick-and-pop, committing two players to the ball against one of OKC's stars, so that Nembhard or Nesmith could stay home one-pass away against OKC's other star. 再次強調，這種做法跟溜馬在總冠軍賽的防守策略完全不同。當時溜馬針對雷霆的 pick-and-pop（擋拆後外彈）戰術，設計了一套特殊防守：讓弱邊底角的「低位幫手」出來 tag（干擾）掩護者，等於用兩名球員去包夾 OKC 的主攻手，這樣 Nembhard 或 Nesmith 就可以留守在外圍、封鎖雷霆另一名明星球員的第一傳路線。 https://i.imgur.com/Js8WGFT.mp4 For emphasis, that's Haliburton sprinting to meet Hartenstein at the point of the pop. By comparison, the Grizzlies went out of their way, by staying out of the way, for possessions to end with Hartenstein shooting or creating for himself off the dribble. And that didn't only apply to Huff. 要特別強調的是，當時是 Haliburton 奮力衝上去頂住 Hartenstein 的 pop 位點。相比之下，灰熊的做法完全相反——他們故意「不防」，讓回合以 Hartenstein 自行出手或運球單打作結。而這種策略不只發生在 Huff 身上。 Here's Jaren Jackson Jr. executing the same scheme. 這裡就連 Jaren Jackson Jr. 也在執行同樣的防守策略。 https://i.imgur.com/jBVbfBJ.mp4 In that sense, a lot of this says as much about the difference in philosophy between Memphis and the Pacers, as it does, specifically, about Huff. 從這角度來看，這不只是關於 Huff 的個別案例，更反映了灰熊與溜馬在防守哲學上的根本差異。 Still, there's reason to view him as a single pick-and-roll coverage big. The Grizzlies played ICE coverage, in which the action gets pushed to the sideline, a bit more often than the Pacers, who ranked 30th in ICE-d picks per 100 possessions, but this clip is still informative of Huff's tendency to allow the ball-handler to get into deep, advantageous positions, forcing himself into longer, arduous closeouts. 儘管如此，仍有理由將 Huff 視為只能執行單一擋拆防守類型的大個子。灰熊比較常使用 ICE 防守（將擋拆引導至邊線），比起聯盟 ICE 頻率排名第 30 的溜馬來說，他們使用得更多。但從這段影片來看，我們可以清楚看到 Huff 容易讓持球人深入到有利區域，進而讓自己不得不進行又長又辛苦的回防補位。 https://i.imgur.com/7ewpXgP.mp4 Again, this is a departure from the Pacers, who while ranking last in ICE frequency, also posted the second-lowest average screener defender depth in the league, at just 4.42 feet, as Turner could often be seen giving the screener a gentle nudge to force them to actually set the pick while protecting against the potential slip. 這與溜馬的防守風格再度背道而馳。雖然他們的 ICE 使用率全聯盟最低，但他們的掩護防守者平均站位深度卻是全聯盟第二淺，僅 4.42 英尺。Turner 常常主動頂一下掩護者，讓他確實設置掩護，同時預防對方 slip（假掩護快速切入）。 That said, there were plenty of occasions during the Finals when he struggled to play that high, and it's telling that the Pacers gave up 0.940 points per chance with him as the screener defender when Siakam was on the floor, which is the equivalent of a top-five mark, compared to 1.037 when Siakam was off the floor, which is the equivalent of a bottom-five mark. 不過，總冠軍賽中 Turner 也有不少時候無法維持高位防守。而值得注意的是，當 Siakam 在場時，溜馬在他作為掩護防守者的回合平均只失 0.940 分，接近聯盟前五水準；但當 Siakam 不在場時，這數字飆升到 1.037 分，接近聯盟後五水準。 To be fair, some of that discrepancy can likely be explained by the general drop-off between Siakam and Obi Toppin as defenders, but Turner wasn't exactly propping up the team's pick-and-roll coverage as a ball-side anchor when Siakam was off the floor. 公平來說，這當中也許有部分可以歸因於 Siakam 和 Obi Toppin 防守能力的差距；但也不能否認，當 Siakam 不在場時，Turner 並沒有完全扛起作為強側擋拆防守核心的責任。 There's a reason why the defense was more effective against wide-angle drives and slaloms, when Siakam and/or Nembhard could operate as guardrails, whether peel switching, stunting, digging, or just generally taking up space in the gaps, by comparison to those previously mentioned north-south attacks when the action was being funneled directly at Turner. 這也說明了為什麼溜馬的防守在面對大範圍切入或「S型突破」時效果更好，因為這類打法可以讓 Siakam 和/或 Nembhard 當作防守欄杆，不論是 Peel switch、假包夾、挖球，還是站位卡位，都能發揮作用。這比起前面提到那種直接朝 Turner 殺去的縱向攻擊，效果好得多。 If the Pacers carryover the same scheme next season, it's possible that same scaffolding could likewise enable Huff to defend higher up the floor, as his average screener defender depth was 7.70 feet compared to 5.05 for Turner, including the playoffs. 如果下季溜馬繼續使用同樣的防守框架，也許可以讓 Huff 一樣站得比較前線。畢竟他在季後賽包含在內的平均防守掩護者深度為 7.70 英尺，相較 Turner 的 5.05 英尺來得更深。 If not, then playing him at centerfield could put Nembhard even more front and center, in terms of everything that could potentially be asked of him in the absence of Haliburton. 但如果不是如此，那麼讓 Huff 站中線區防守，只會讓 Nembhard 被迫承擔更多責任，尤其是在沒有 Haliburton 的情況下，幾乎所有壓力都會加在他一人身上。 Put simply, there aren't a lot of starting point guards who initiate the majority of their team's offense while also guarding the other team's top-initiator. Then, add to that the fact that the Pacers have posted the two highest average pick-up distances in the playoffs of any team in Genius Sports' 12-year tracking database the last two seasons. Then, also add to that, the potential aforementioned energy and effort that would be required of him if Huff were to drop back to the rim in a one-man zone. Admittedly, there are merits to playing that type of scheme, but that would be … a lot. 簡單來說，聯盟中幾乎沒有先發控衛要同時扛下全隊大部分的進攻發起責任，還要去防守對方的進攻發動機。更何況，根據 Genius Sports 過去 12 年的追蹤數據，溜馬連兩季在季後賽創下全聯盟「最遠接防距離」的紀錄。再加上若 Huff 採用一人區域退守策略， Nembhard 的體能與精神消耗將會更巨大。誠然，這種防守佈局有其優點，但代價……真的非常高。 If Isaiah Jackson signs the qualifying offer that's on the table and is close to being the former version of himself after recovering from his Achilles injury, then he'll offer more in the way of scheme versatility as far as mixing pick-and-roll coverages. 如果 Isaiah Jackson 接下球隊提供的合格報價，並且在阿基里斯傷勢復原後恢復過去的水準，那麼他將能為溜馬在擋拆防守上帶來更多彈性與變化。 Meanwhile, the fact that Huff shot 19-of-50 on corner threes last season suggests that the Pacers should still have the flexibility to shape-shift into different alignments, whether stationing him in the strong-side corner with a guard in the dunker spot so that an opposing guard has to guard the rim... 同時，Huff 上季在底角三分命中率為 19 投 50 中，這代表溜馬仍有空間調整進攻佈局 ——可以把他放在強側底角，搭配後衛埋伏在籃下 dunker spot，迫使對方後衛去守禁區 …… https://i.imgur.com/WPfq5T8.mp4 Or, for the purpose of opening a wider gap on the perimeter for Siakam to attack into. 或者，單純為了幫 Siakam 在外圍製造更大的切入空間。 https://i.imgur.com/WPfq5T8.mp4 Likewise, for the functionality of how the Pacers generally keep Siakam posted, it's encouraging that there are examples of bigs defending Huff at the top of the key, where he shot 40.8% on 98 attempts last season, with their heels outside the paint. 而就溜馬慣常讓 Siakam 在中距離低位打單的戰術來說，也可以樂觀看待 Huff 的定位：上季他在頂弧投籃 98 次命中率 40.8%，而對手的中鋒常常因此要站在禁區外防他。 https://i.imgur.com/YWIKxVQ.mp4 That wasn't always the case with Thomas Bryant last season, which makes the high-low entry to Siakam out of their pet-play "c" much more difficult to execute. 這在去年 Thomas Bryant 身上並不常見，也因此讓溜馬最愛的「c 套路」高低位傳球給 Siakam 更難施展。 https://i.imgur.com/9SvQnWr.mp4 Plus, it's always a plus if the big can run the floor and finish reverse lobs, right? Last season, Toppin was the only player for the Pacers who completed more lobs (28) than Huff (13), who actually edged out Toppin (0.672) in lobs per 100 possessions (0.788). 再說了，如果中鋒能全場奔跑並完成反向空接，那當然是加分。上季全隊只有 Toppin 的空接完成數（28 次）比 Huff（13 次）多，而每 100 回合的空接完成率，Huff（0.788 ）甚至略高於 Toppin（0.672）。 Overall, this is a low-risk move. After getting nothing in return for Turner, the Pacers gave up next to nothing to acquire Huff, who obviously comes at a much lower price point in what could potentially turn into a gap year. 整體而言，這筆交易風險極低。溜馬在白白失去 Turner 之後，幾乎沒花什麼代價就換來 Huff，他的身價明顯低很多，也許能成為今年陣容過渡期的一塊拼圖。 To that point, while it's possible that Huff can replicate some of last season's alignment flexibility without Turner, there's still a lot to be answered as to how the offense will run, both figuratively and literally, without Haliburton. Nembhard has shown he can level up his game while playing point, but doing so for a full season without Haliburton's gravity will be a new reality, as will the fact that, depending upon how the Pacers scheme the defense with Huff, it seems fair to ask who on the roster can play the part of Andrew Nembhard for Andrew Nembhard? 延伸來說，雖然 Huff 可能在沒有 Turner 的情況下複製部分上季的佈陣彈性，但進攻端若缺少 Haliburton，整體運作仍存在不少疑問。Nembhard 曾證明自己能勝任控球職責，但若要他在沒有 Haliburton 吸引防守的情況下打一整季，這將是全新的挑戰。尤其如果溜馬以 Huff 為核心設計防守，那麼有個關鍵問題會浮現：到底有誰，能在 Nembhard 身邊，扮演另一個 Nembhard？ In that regard, as it pertains to lessening the blossoming guard's potentially immense workload, every game won't be Game 5 of the NBA Finals against the Oklahoma City Thunder; however, the Pacers may also need to make some tweaks headed into next season to ensure that every game for Nembhard doesn't turn out to be the equivalent of Game 5 of the NBA Finals against the Oklahoma City Thunder. 從這角度來看，為了減輕這位正在成長的後衛可能過重的負擔，並不是每場比賽都會像對雷霆的總冠軍第五戰那樣艱難；但溜馬可能需要在下季開打前做出一些戰術調整，確保 Nembhard 的每一場比賽，都不會變成另一場雷霆第五戰。 ---- 原文連結 : https://tinyurl.com/478kh39z 喜歡 Caitlin Clark 的可以訂閱她支持她喔她每個禮拜會回答一些溜馬迷的問題她跟球隊裡面的人都很熟網路上很多人稱呼她是最專業的溜馬分析師 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 67.87.223.176 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PACERS/M.1751944664.A.B7F.html ※ 編輯: PiGFAcE (67.87.223.176 美國), 07/08/2025 11:22:40

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