[轉錄][轉錄][情報] 心靈接觸 - 卡爾給球員更多的機會

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板] 作者: ICRO (聖文大色胚) 看板: NBA 標題: [轉錄][情報] 心靈接觸 - 卡爾給球員更多的機會 時間: Wed Apr 22 09:21:58 2009 ※ [本文轉錄自 Nuggets 看板] 作者: lance7 (loving you) 看板: Nuggets 標題: [外電] 心靈接觸 - 卡爾給球員更多的機會 時間: Tue Apr 21 23:42:41 2009 http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_12187542 Meeting of the minds Karl giving his players more opportunities to call the shots By Anthony Cotton The Denver Post Entering their opening-round playoff series against the New Orleans Hornets, one of the Nuggets' biggest issues was how to defend one of the Hornets' bread- and-butter plays, the pick-and-roll. Try to trap all-world guard Chris Paul and Denver ran the risk of leaving another all-star, forward David West, open for easy jumpers. Gravitate toward West and Paul could not only hit his shots, but also penetrate to the basket and draw other defenders, leaving the likes of Peja Stojakovic open for 3-point attempts. 面對黃蜂隊,金塊要挑戰最大的問題就是,如何防守黃蜂的pick-and-roll 超強後衛Paul在面對金塊所設下的陷阱時 可以做出許多反應 1.丟給因為陷阱而放空的West 進行跳投 2.丟給外線射手如 Peja射三分 In his mind, Nuggets coach George Karl knew how he wanted to attack the sizable problem, but when he talked with his players, the coach discovered they wanted to try a different approach. 卡爾認為進攻是一個大問題 但是當他與球員談過後 卡爾發現球員們希望加強的是防守 Guess who won out. 誰的看法會被採用呢? Actually, it was the players. To be sure, given the adjustments that will constantly be made during the course of the best-of-seven series, the odds are pretty good that at some point Denver will try several plans, including Karl's. 事實上 是球員的看法 在系列賽中進行調整是一個常態 這些看法上的差異是好的 金塊會嘗試多個計畫 當然也包括卡爾的 However, in looking for the reasons the Nuggets are where they are today — the No. 2 seed in the Western Conference with a 1-0 series lead — one would be remiss in overlooking the importance and long-term impact of Karl's decision. 然而 金塊身為西區第二種子 同時以1-0領先 卡爾的決定會帶來很大的影響 "George has come a long way, man," forward Kenyon Martin said. "It's all part of growing as a team, part of the coach-player relationship. It's been going on all year. He's learning more about us, we're learning more about him, he's given us a lot more freedom and leeway." K-mart說 關於球隊成長 還有球員教練間的關係 卡爾想了很多(是因為問題球員太多嗎XD) 我們與卡爾之間彼此都學到很多 他給了我們更多的自由和空間 There are certainly many ways to win a championship. On Monday, Hornets swingman James Posey talked about winning a ring in Boston last season, with a coach, Doc Rivers, who was comfortable with a somewhat minimalist approach. Posey在星期一對衛冕隊賽爾提克的教練Doc Rivers的極簡帶兵方式發表看法 "There were times when he would just let us work through stuff out there; he allowed us to figure out what we needed to do to get the job done," Posey said. "Sometimes, during a timeout, he'd just let us talk amongst ourselves. Then he'd come over and say, 'You guys know what you're doing?' and we'd go back out on the court and play." 他讓我們了解 為了完成目標 我們需要做的是什麼 有時候在暫停的時候 他會讓我們對自己說話 然後他會說 "你們了解你們應該要做些什麼了嗎?" 然後讓我們回到場上 That approach differed tremendously from that of the man on the bench for Posey's other NBA title, won with Pat Riley and the Miami Heat. Very little happened without Riley's coaching fingerprints all over it. 這個做法與Posey所待過的另一個冠軍隊 - 熱火的教練Pat Riley不同 "No, with Riles, it was pretty much, 'This is how we're going to do it,' " said New Orleans coach Byron Scott, who played for Riley while with the Los Angeles Lakers. 黃蜂教練Byron Scott說 Riley那種作法太超過了 我們所要嘗試的是像Rivers類似的方式 Part of the change, Scott said, could be the difference in today's NBA, where star players often expect to be consulted about personnel moves, as opposed to how it was some 20 years ago. Sometimes coaches get wiser, or at least aren't as quick in insisting there's only one way to do things. Scott說 有些改變正在現在的NBA中發生 明星球員可能會有自己的想法 這在過去是不會發生的 教練應該要更理智 或至少堅持什麼是應該要做的 Karl admits to having more patience this season, and that player decisions that might have sent him into a tizzy as recently as last season aren't necessarily drawing the same immediate reaction. 卡爾承認這季他有耐心許多 以往一些球員的決定 會讓他不爽 這賽季他不會像以前一樣採取立即的反應 "I have a confidence now that if the team wants to do something, then you can demand them to do it more, and stronger and tougher, whereas if you fight 'em, there's hypocrisy and scrutiny and criticism," Karl said. 卡爾說 我相信 如果隊伍想要做什麼事 你應該要用強烈和強悍的方式去要求他們完成 當你否定他們 隊伍內只會充滿虛偽,審視和批評 "It's like J.R. (Smith), if I was 10 years younger, I'd have pulled J.R. 15 different times this year. But of those 15 times, I'd bet there were 10 where he got hot for us just after I would have pulled him. But being older, it's like, 'I'll give him one more possession.' " 就像JR 如果我年輕個10歲 我今年可能會把他換下來15次 但在這15次裡面 他可能會在其中的10場中發飆 在老了以後 我會給他更多的機會去嘗試 Smith threw up two ill-advised shots early in the game Sunday night, but Karl stuck with him and Smith got hot in the second half. JR在禮拜天晚上投了兩個很扯的外線 但在卡爾釘了他以後 JR開始發燙 "He was crazy out there for a while, but then he had that spurt that changed a close game into one that was over," Karl said. 卡爾說 有時候他非常的瘋狂0.0 但是接著他會為了改變比賽局勢而衝刺 Before the start of the series, Karl insisted that whatever happened against the Hornets, this season was a success, one worthy of celebration, because the Nuggets got back to playing the game the right way, as opposed to the helter-skelter style of the past few seasons that ended with first-round playoff defeats. 在這個系列賽開始前 不管對黃蜂的比賽打的如何 我們有一個成功的例行賽 另一個值得慶祝的事 因為金塊正避免走向前幾季第一輪放暑假的往事 And when you're talking about this year's Nuggets, and the differences from last season, you're talking about the addition of Chauncey Billups. 我們在討論今年的金塊時 當然會談到Chauncey Billups這個人 Sometimes, Karl said, Billups will fall in line with what he's thinking, sometimes he'll go the other way. But in either case, the odds are pretty good a compromise will be reached. 卡爾說 有時候Billups會有不同的作法 但這些衝突最後都會妥協 "A lot of coaches, they're like, 'Hell no, we're doing it my way or else you just won't play.' George hasn't been like that at all," Billups said. "But the other thing is, if we go to him and say, 'We want to play this a certain way,' then we better make sure we do it. It's accountability; if we don't do it right, then he can hold our feet to the fire. Billups表示 很多教練會說 "我們要照著我的想法做 否則你就不用上場" 卡爾不會這樣 當我們跟他說 我們想要這樣做 我們最好要確定我們可以做到 這是責任 當我們做不到 他會把我們換下來 "George is one of the best coaches I've had at that, at trusting the players. If we want to do something, he'll say go ahead and try it." 在相信球員這方面 卡爾是最佳教練之一 當我們想要做某些事 他會讓我們盡量的嘗試 這就是卡爾 -- 恭喜槍西在COY得到第五名 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.161.184.109

04/21 23:48,
大推卡爾老爺爺 金塊隊邁向西區第二輪
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槍西在COY得到第五名? XD 十年後有可能!
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04/22 00:11,
...XD
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最後一句話我看了大笑 沒錯~槍西得到第五名!!!
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借轉 NBA板
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04/22 09:28,
心靈....糗爺風格 XD
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Where is Balkman?
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借轉心靈版
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bulletproof:轉錄至看板 Nuggets 04/22 09:42

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轉來轉去 腦殘了我= =
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今日笨點,腦殘了的防彈兄XD
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bulletproof人身攻擊,永久水桶。
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04/22 11:22, , 1F
連教練都輸了......
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04/22 11:40, , 2F
真的該打一場沒教練的比賽...我們勝算會增加...反正CP3
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04/22 11:40, , 3F
也曾經在板凳上當教練XD
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04/22 14:12, , 4F
說實話 Karl只要在順景的時候都能把比較刁的球員帶的不錯
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04/22 16:52, , 5F
我想了一下,終於發現Scott在這裡面的談話有問題
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04/22 16:52, , 6F
他批評:Riley太誇張,每個play都要自己操控,但是
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04/22 16:53, , 7F
第1.Riley的戰術素養深厚,playbook厚的跟電話簿一樣
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04/22 16:54, , 8F
第2.Riley給了年輕球員清楚的指示,照著他的方法打
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04/22 16:54, , 9F
你一定會有上場時間,也因此相信大家可以發現
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04/22 16:55, , 10F
Riley雖然不愛用年輕球員,但是一些龍套球員在他手上打出
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04/22 16:55, , 11F
來的可不少,而且總和1.2點也在實戰中證明他是可以贏球的
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04/22 16:56, , 12F
而這到了Wade加盟熱火以後有了一些改變
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04/22 16:56, , 13F
Karl的情形在正文中說了,不再提
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04/22 16:57, , 14F
那Scott呢? 教練 你的問題可嚴重了
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04/22 16:57, , 15F
你雖然號稱讓球員自由發揮 單真正的自由發揮的只是明星
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04/22 16:59, , 16F
和主將 像CP3以及West 其他球員其他人只要一犯錯就等
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04/22 16:59, , 17F
著被冰 這樣其實沒什麼不可 只要你能贏球就沒關係
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04/22 17:00, , 18F
偏偏你又贏不了球 Scott真正的問題在於他把兩家的缺點
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04/22 17:00, , 19F
全部都吸收近來了 卻沒學到任何優點
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04/22 17:01, , 20F
Riley的缺點:不容許年輕球員失誤
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04/22 17:01, , 21F
Karl:有時過度放縱 但問題是Riley可以指點球員生路
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04/22 17:02, , 22F
而Karl是完全放手讓球員去找生路 Scott你是既不指點
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04/22 17:02, , 23F
Wright等人生路,也不放手讓他們去找生路
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04/22 17:04, , 24F
你這樣要Wright和Armstrong他們怎麼玩?
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04/22 17:42, , 25F
JR:yoyo明年黃蜂又有自由球員,有沒有興趣來金塊XD
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04/22 17:42, , 26F
我查了一下好像JuJuArmEly明年都會變自由球員,反正
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04/22 17:43, , 27F
Scott就是讓球隊爛在那邊也不讓他們打,說實在清出薪資
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04/22 17:45, , 28F
等有那隻大魚跟Posey一樣自投羅網吧!JuJu待在這只會讓
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04/22 17:45, , 29F
我期待落空而已
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04/22 17:46, , 30F
Scott說什麼替補每場上個五六分鐘就該拼命去打,請問你
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04/22 17:46, , 31F
把他們放不該放的位置他們是打個鬼,AD是攻擊型控衛,他
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04/22 17:47, , 32F
來黃蜂不久後發現替補除了他得分能力早爛掉了,那你又堅
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04/22 17:48, , 33F
持把他節奏放慢拼防守,以他的年紀防守跟的上那種快速控
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04/22 17:48, , 34F
衛才怪,Peja的例子讓我最心寒,雖然說這樣對不起Peja迷
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04/22 17:49, , 35F
但我覺得你把他當定點射手又不給他戰術,這樣我們外線塞
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04/22 17:50, , 36F
五隻神米都不夠,JuJu在Peja受傷期間簡直無所不能,Peja
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04/22 17:52, , 37F
一回來還沒恢復就把JuJu拉下來,沒有能切能傳的3號球員
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04/22 17:52, , 38F
命中率一不準就等著被宰,偏偏我們贏球常是因為兩邊都不
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04/22 17:53, , 39F
準,Scott還真以為我們是防守球隊,跟火箭馬刺互守就知
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04/22 17:54, , 40F
道差距在哪,我看乾錯直接火掉他算了,反正老闆也不一定
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04/22 17:54, , 41F
要聽他的想法呀XD
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04/22 18:06, , 42F
其實新人約期間被冰過頭有時候就沒辦法進步了 Scott一個很大
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04/22 18:07, , 43F
問題是他一直在打擊這些年輕人的信心 Bass,JR到別隊都表示過
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04/22 18:07, , 44F
在他手下打球很難過
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04/22 18:40, , 45F
Ju-Ju跟Arm明年還不會變FA啦 !FA確定只有Ely Marks Bowen
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04/22 18:41, , 46F
咖啡則是不確定 大部分都寫一年 但是我印象中有看過兩年..
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04/22 18:58, , 48F
如果Scott堅持下去 我是寧可Juju鬧一鬧走人說
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04/22 19:32, , 49F
的確 除非擋Ju-Ju的人不見 不然Scott會讓Ju-Ju出頭嗎 XD
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04/22 19:35, , 50F
翻開Scott執教生涯 除了K-Mart RJ CP3這三位 其他新人真的
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04/22 19:39, , 51F
幾乎一片悽慘 = = JR Snyder 這兩位也只有一季行情
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04/22 19:41, , 52F
Dickau Nachbar Vroman 都是在64敗那年的產物 ...
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04/22 21:56, , 53F
沒錯 就是"否定" Scott太過份否定某個球員的某個Play
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04/22 21:57, , 54F
給我有種太過鑽牛角尖的感覺
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