[外電] Monty Williams Week: Monty's Mistake

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Monty Williams Week: Monty's Mistake by Caleb462 on May 3, 2011 7:43 AM CDT in Analysis 原文：http://www.atthehive.com/2011/5/3/2150950/montys-mistake This post might rub some people the wrong way. I can understand why. Here we are, finally at the end of a long and emotionally draining season. The Hornets fought hard in the first round of the playoffs despite being severely outmatched and without David West, and gave us two of the more memorable performances in Hornets history. What am I doing talking about Marcus Thornton at a time like this? 這個位置上常會讓人有錯誤的判斷。我可以理解為什麼。我們終究渡過了一個漫長的球季。黃蜂在第一輪的季後賽中在沒有DX的情況下打得很艱辛，不過也帶給我們兩場足以寫進隊史的好表現。這個時間點我還要談談MT嗎？ Sorry, I’ve got to speak my peace. If you are tired of the Thornton discussion, feel free to skip this article and the discussion that may very well ensue. With that out of the way, let’s get started. Back in December, in one of my earliest articles for At the Hive, I wrote this: In an interview with SLAM a few weeks back Monty Williams said that he believes most players will improve when they are given consistent minutes. For whatever reason, he isn't applying this philosophy to Marcus. It's going to really suck when Marcus drops 35 on the Hornets in a few years wearing a Nets uniform or something. 抱歉，我還是要談談我的想法。假如你厭倦了談論MT，那你可以按←跳過這篇文章的討論。要繼續的話，那我們開始吧。早在去年12月，我就在atthehive.com上寫了下面這段話：『在接受SLAM採訪前的幾個星期Monty說：他相信大部分的球員都能有所進步並且可以得到一些上場時間。不管是出於何種原因，很明顯他並沒有這樣對待MT。It's going to really suck when Marcus drops 35 on the Hornets in a few years wearing a Nets uniform or something.』（這句看不懂XD，drops 35？） I was frustrated, obviously, but at the time I was still fairly optimistic that Monty would change his tactics with Marcus and let the kid play. Of course, that didn’t happen, and Marcus is now sporting a Kings jersey., As it turns out, Marcus dropping points on the Hornets wasn’t as painful as I thought it would be. Marcus played well, but the Hornets won that March 12th meeting, and it was an exciting and entertaining game. Chris Paul looked like the Chris Paul we’ve all come to know and love. New arrival Carl Landry had his first 20 point game as a Hornet. It was the kind of win that made me feel good to be a Hornets fan and a Marcus Thornton fan at the same time. At least for that night I found it easy to forget Monty’s mishandling of Marcus Thornton. However, I couldn’t forget it for too long, and its that mishandling that I want to talk about. 很顯然的，我覺得很失望，但是當時我還是很樂觀的認為Monty會因為MT改變他的策略讓他上場。當然，這並沒有發生，而MT現在穿著國王的球衣，而最後事實證明，MT的不振，對黃蜂的傷害也沒這麼大。之後今年3/12黃蜂贏了國王，MT打的不錯，而CP3更是打的跟我們認識的那個CP3一樣，然後交易來的Landry則是拿到他在黃蜂第一次的20分。這算是雙贏的局面，對黃蜂球迷和MT都是。至少在那天晚上我發現這很容易讓人忘記Monty對MT的處理不當。但是，我並沒有忘記太久，對於Monty處理MT的方式我要來談談。 Monty Williams had, on the whole, a successful and impressive season as a rookie head coach. He instilled a commitment to defense in the team, and as a result the Hornets challenged for the title of the Western Conference’s best defense all season long, only losing that spot after a series of injuries to Emeka Okafor, Trevor Ariza and David West. Despite up and down play from Chris Paul, and despite the injuries to important players, Monty Williams kept the team well above .500 and guided the team to the playoffs. It should also be noted that he did this despite having stepped into a rather turbulent situation. By that I mean the rash of Chris Paul trade speculation over the summer and the ongoing search for an owner. That’s all commendable, and Monty Williams (and his staff) deserve a great deal of credit for those accomplishments. 整體而言，Monty在他第一年的教練生涯是很成功的。他灌輸球員團隊防守的概念，讓黃蜂整個球季都保持在西區防守最好的球隊當中，直到Okafor、阿里莎、DX受傷的那段時間。儘管球隊的好與壞都維繫著CP3的狀況，儘管是失去重要的球員，球隊還是一直保持著五成勝率而挺進季後賽。特別要說的是，他還面臨一個非常動盪的時刻，我的意思是CP3在去年暑假上演的保羅人生。這些都值得讓人讚揚，Monty（和他的團隊）取得了很高的成就。 That being said, I firmly believe Monty Williams made a serious misjudgment in regards to Marcus Thornton. As a Sacramento King, our boy Buckets averaged 20.1 points, 4.4 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 1.6 steals and just 2.0 turnovers per 36 minutes. Per game he averaged just a hair over 21 points. He did this on solid percentages of 45.0% from the field, 36.1% from three and 80.5% from the line. His ratio of points to field goal attempts stands at a solid 1.21. According to Dean Oliver’s Offensive Rating, Thornton generated approximately 112 points per 100 possessions for the Kings, which is more than anyone not named Chris Paul or (coincidentally) Carl Landry generated for the Hornets. His PER shot from 14.0 as a Hornet up to 18.2 as a King, and he was one of only two Kings with a PER higher than the league average of 15.0. As a King, Marcus Thornton was generally the best 話雖如此，我還是認為Monty對於MT的處理上犯了嚴重的錯誤判斷。在國王隊裡，MT平均每36分鐘場可以拿到20.1分、4.4籃板、3.2助攻、1.6抄截和只有2次失誤。實際上他平均每場得分為21.3分。他的投籃命中率為45.0%、三分球命中率36.1%、罰球命中率80.5%。他平均每一次進攻投籃可以拿到1.21分。然後根據Dean Oliver的進攻評等，以國王隊的整體水準為100的話，MT的Off.Rtg是112。這是黃蜂除了那個叫CP3的傢伙之外，Landry也達不到的境界。他的PER從在黃蜂的14.0到國王之後成長為18.2，這是國王全隊唯二高於聯盟平均15.0的球員。在國王隊裡面，MT通常都是場上最好的球員。 Is any of that surprising? No, not in the least. Over the course of 73 games last season, Marcus Thornton averaged over 20 points per 36 minutes, posted a PER of 17.4 and an Offensive Rating of 111. Those of us who watched him play every game saw what kind of scorer and shooter he was as well as the kind of player he might one day be. The fact that Thornton not only returned to form as a King but also showed improvement is not an unexpected outcome. Given the playing time, we all knew he could do just that. 很吃驚嗎？不，一點也沒有。去年他在黃蜂的73場比賽中，平均上場36分鐘就可以拿到超過 20分，他的PER為17.4而Off.Rat為111。我們這些看過他比賽的都知道他的得分能力很優異，他可能有一天會成為一個優秀的射手之類的球員。事實上，MT不僅僅只是加入國王，讓人意外的是他的能力也越來越好了。由於上場時間的關係，我們都知道他是有這種本事的。 "So what?" you might say. You might think that the trade for Carl Landry was a good one, that Landry played well and acted as an efficient and reliable scorer, and that his production was vitally important due to David West’s absence. I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. In fact, those are my exact thoughts. However, does any of this change the fact that Monty Williams made a mistake with Marcus? I certainly don’t think so. No one could have predicted whether or not David West would suffer a season-ending injury, so the fact that Carl Landry ended up filling a vital role has no bearing on whether or not Marcus Thornton should have been a played a larger and more consistent role for the Hornets. Besides, it’s conceivable that had Thornton succeeded in New Orleans this season, the Hornets might have gotten more than Carl Landry back in a trade for him. 你可能會說：那又怎樣？你可能會認為交易Landry過來是個好得決定，Landry也打的很好，尤其是他在DX受傷之後也補上了這個洞。我不會不認同這些，事實上，我也是這樣認為。但是，這些變化是否就是Monty對MT的處理錯誤？我可沒這麼認為。沒有人能夠預測到DX會在球季末受傷，Landry在最後關頭填補了這個大洞，可是這跟MT應該在黃蜂有更大的發展空間並沒有任何關係。此外，可以想像一下，如果MT今年球季可以可以在黃蜂大放異彩，是否黃蜂交易MT時還可以拿到除了只有Landry外更多的東西。 Of course, you might very well have other objections. For instance, perhaps Thornton simply excelled because he played on a bad team, which you might think is in line with what he did last season. Or perhaps Thornton excelled because he was playing in a system where he could excel. I don’t think the first objection holds any weight. There’s simply not much evidence that playing on a bad team can pump up a player’s most important statistics. For certain, the most capable offensive player on a bad team may very well get more minutes, more shot attempts and more time with the ball than he might on a more talented team. As a result, the player might see an increase in statistics like points per game or assists per game. By the same token, however, the player may very well turn the ball over more and score less efficiently. If this happened with Marcus, one might have a case with that first objection. But this is not what we saw from Marcus. Marcus’ stats increased in both volume and efficiency. 當然，你可能有其他的異議。譬如說，MT只是在一個糟糕的團隊裡打球才有這種表現，你可能認為就跟上季他在黃蜂時的狀況一樣。MT或許是處於在他擅長的打法中所以才有這種表現。我不認為第一個反對有任何意義可言。有證據顯示，更本沒有太多的糟糕的團隊可以提昇球員的重要統計數據。有些時候，最有能力的進攻球員，在糟糕的球隊裡可能會有更多的上場時間、更多的出手次數和更多的持球。因此，我們可以看到一些統計數據像是平均得分、平均助攻的增加。但是球員可能因為一球在手使的自身的進攻效率下降。如果這現象發生在 MT身上，那第一個反對意見就可以成立。但是這並不是我們所看見的MT。MT的數據和效率都是上揚的。 The second objection, on the other hand, deserves some consideration. At 95.1 possessions per game, Paul Westphal’s Kings were one of the fastest playing teams in the league this season. I think most will agree that Marcus’ playing style suits a fast-paced offense well, and New Orleans under Monty Williams has been anything but fast. That being said, the 2009-2010 Hornets, though they played faster than the Hornets under either Byron Scott or Monty Williams, were simply average in terms of pace at 92.6 possessions per game. Of course, if you want to make the case that league average is practically Nellieball compared to the Monty Williams-led Hornets, I’d probably agree. 至於第二個反對的理由，這方面這就值得思考，At 95.1 possessions per game（這數據是什麼意思？）在Paul Westphal主掌的國王隊在本季是球風快速的球隊。我相信大部分人都同意，MT的打球風格很適合這種球風快速的進攻節奏，而Monty帶領的黃蜂隊什麼都不錯，除了速度。話雖如此，09-10年的黃蜂，雖然他們打球節奏比在Byron Scott或Monty時較快，但是簡單算一下possessions per game是92.6。Of course, if you want to make the case that league average is practically Nellieball compared to the Monty Williams-led Hornets, I’d probably agree.（我又完全看不懂了XDDDD） Yet I have a hard time believing that a player as skilled and as talented as Marcus can only excel under certain conditions. It’s not as if Marcus only scores in transition. I wish I had the situational statistics to back this up, but to my eyes Marcus has always been excellent off of cuts and screens, and he ’s one of those (seemingly rare) players who displays excellent off the ball movement and constant activity. These facets of his game can work well no matter the speed of play. Besides, I believe it’s a coach’s responsibility to utilize a player’s strengths as best as he or she can. That, ultimately, is my complaint against Monty Williams. Rather than find a way to use Marcus effectively, Williams instead chose to restrict Marcus’ involvement. Williams used Marcus erratically and inconsistently. One day it was garbage minutes, the next day it was a DNP-CD, and the next day Marcus was being relied upon for crucial minutes down the stretch in a tight game. Then it was another DNP-CD. I think it’s unrealistic, and perhaps foolish, to expect a player to perform consistently when he’s being given minutes in such an inconsistent manner. Monty Williams could have instructed the second unit to push the ball more, and used Marcus as the featured scorer of this unit. Or he could have attempted to design creative plays that utilized Marcus’ long-range shooting abilities and Chris Paul’s deft ability to find open three-point shooters. Perhaps he did. There’s a lot we can’t know about the relationship between player and coach and Monty’s coaching of Marcus. However, anything Monty did or did not try would have had to be supported by consistent playing time, and this was never the case. 然而，我很難相信像MT這種技術的球員只能在一定條件下才能發揮。我希望我有統計數據可以支持我的想法，但我只看到MT越來越不振和上不了場，而他是那些很罕見的屬於優秀球員卻得不到上場時間的人其中之一。除了速度的發揮他在場還還可以作些別的事情。此外，我覺得這是教練的問題，在場上運用一個球員的強項或是他可以做到的部份都是教練的責任。說到底，這是我投訴Monty的地方。應該去找一個有效的使用MT的方式，而Monty 卻只是選擇限制MT。Monty讓MT上場時間根本就不穩定也不一致，有一天，垃圾時間讓他上場，第二天不給上場，下一場在關鍵時刻讓MT上場，然後下一場又不給上場。我認為這調度很差，期望球員在這少少又不穩定的上場時間裡發揮能力，或許該說很蠢。Monty或許可能已經指示多傳球，並且用MT在當下作為第一個得分選擇。或是他可能試圖利用戰術安排讓 MT和CP3的傳球作出投三分球的空檔。也許，這些他都做了。還有很多我們無法理解的是 Monty和MT兩個人之間的關係。但是Monty沒有或沒有試著讓MT有穩定的上場時間，這從來都沒有。 A capable, efficient and wildly exciting scorer, a hugely adored hometown favorite, possibly even a future all-star. That’s Marcus Thornton. I hope one day he’ll be a Hornet again. I do believe every rookie head coach should be allowed a large helping of mistakes, but I can’t help but feel that this particular mistake was an awfully big one. But what’s done is done. In the comments, I expect raucous support, vehement disagreement and a fair smattering of insults and questions about the legitimacy of my fanhood. I’ll be disappointed in anything less. Go Hornets! 一個有能力高效率又瘋狂的得分手，一個受家鄉人們愛戴的，甚至可能是未來的全明星球員，這就是MT。我希望有一天他會回到黃蜂來。我相信一個菜鳥教練都該被允許犯個大錯誤，但我不禁覺得這是一個非常大的錯。但是，木已成舟。....後略XD -- 花了一下午邊上班邊看，都搞不清楚打到哪一句了，錯誤一定有，請以原文為主XD -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.36.3.201

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